I know it isn't a custom as such but didn't know where to ask the question.

Sitting having wine with the couple next door and he asked me my thoughts on a Cooper. He thought it was a Cooper 52 synthetic stock. Wanted to know if they were worth the $2000+ price tag. I told him I couldn't help him. So I thought I would ask the masses.

Are they worth it?

They are accurate, and even though one of their original owners supported hussein obama, he has allegedly left the company.

Personally I don't like the magazine system, not bad just doesn't give much room for ammunition.

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Personally I don't like the magazine system, not bad just doesn't give much room for ammunition.

Would you mind explaining? Looking at their site I see what looks like a normal mag box as well as removable.

Not much room for a lot of rounds. That's all I am saying.

How many rounds do you really need? In 18 Years of hunting I have never needed more than 3 to put down any animal that I shot at.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Not much room for a lot of rounds. That's all I am saying.

I did my last Africa hunt with a single-shot.

Asking the slightly more serious question: DG aside, how many times have you actually had to use the whole magazine? I mean, 200 yards at a deer doesn't really call for 5 down...

I have not hunted deer much, mostly Africa, pigs and so on.

The other thing on the rifle is the bolt sticks out very far.

i bought a 52a bit ago, it was used so the $$ wasn't as bad. my take of them is that they are well designed and put together pretty well. the mag is actually close to a work of art. no problems with the gun at all very accurate. is it worth 2000. not to me, but i would rather spend the money on custom work. on the other hand it provides a stepping stone between a plain factory job(which are getting more and more pricey each day) and a full custom. as always the customer must decide

I can't help but think about 2008 when the CEO of the company not only voted for Obama, but gave a significant out of money to his campaign. If I remember correctly, he was asked to step down to some nebulous position, at least on paper.

So what does a man's voting and political preferences have to do with a gun. Voting for Obama or Hillary or Bush does not disqualify someone from making a good gun.

Do you own an Apple product? Then if voting for Obama is a big deal, then you need to throw your ipad or iphone or MacBook away.

Get real...

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Originally posted by dogcat:
So what does a man's voting and political preferences have to do with a gun. Voting for Obama or Hillary or Bush does not disqualify someone from making a good gun.

Do you own an Apple product? Then if voting for Obama is a big deal, then you need to throw your ipad or iphone or MacBook away.

Get real...

No, voting or supporting the left wing doesn't disqualify anyone from making a good gun, but it ought to disqualify anyone and everyone from buying the gun since the left and in particular Obummer and Schillery not only advocate restrictive guns laws but support the UN's scheme to ban private gun ownership worldwide.

On the other hand, the left and in particular Obummer and Schillery do not advocate taking away cell phones, pads or tablets, notebook, laptops, desktops. [Though their attempts to restrict cell usage while driving are annoying.]

You are the one who needs to get real!

JPK

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Originally posted by thecanadian:
How many rounds do you really need? In 18 Years of hunting I have never needed more than 3 to put down any animal that I shot at.

Never get into multiple target scenarios? It never even occurred to me that 3 wasn't lots until I took to seeking out those opportunities.

I used a Cooper Model 52 in 30-06 on a Australian cull and found the 3 shot magazine to be a real handicap when you're trying to kill more than 3 of something. Not only does it only hold three in the mag, if you put one in the barrel and three down you can count on a grating, failing to eject mess when you try to eject shot #1. That happened so often that it became obvious that 3 total was the way to go. Even with 3, feeding the first one is a high effort binding experience that just doesn't sit right on a $2000 rifle. Even less on my over $4000 Western Classic.

So now you're at 3. That's fine if you are popping a whitetail or moose and saying "well there goes my year" and taking the other 2 out and going home. Its different when the goal is to rip 5 to 20 shots as fast as you can work the bolt then look for more. I'd be twice as far ahead with a top feed Winchester or Remington that held 5 down and one in the spout. Even a detachable mag that held 4 and let you use the barrel without issue would be progress. That might make sense to Cooper who felt we didn't even need repeaters for years, never mind one that was all it could be.

The answer to "The mag system isn't all it could be" isn't "you don't need that anyway" anymore than me saying that if you don't need or want the capacity you don't have to fill it up all the way. Hmmm, maybe my point's better.

I do like my Coopers, although someone should sit them down and explain primary extraction to them. Solid guns that shoot, great triggers and as ready as its ever going to be out of the box. When they at least get around to making an ugly protruding 5-10 shot mag I might actually use it again for what I bought it for. There's rumors of 5's in the works, because the tin chicken crowd wants them.

I'll tell you what difference it makes. When I was looking for a shiny new rimfire rifle, I really like the looks and quality of the Cooper, but that was in 2009. And I knew who Mike Cooper voted for.

So I went with a Weatherby Anschutz XX-II 17 HMR instead. I voted with my wallet and I could not be happier.

It's not 2009 anymore and most of the political stuff mentioned in this thread is irrelevant now. If I had a steadfast rule about not buying things from people I disagreed with I would probably be naked, barefooted, walking and starving to death .

As far as the rifle goes, they are expensive for what they are but seem to hold their resale value very well and as others have mentioned, accurate. I probably wouldn't shell out 2K for a plastic stocked rifle but maybe for a good quality wood stocked model, well maybe.

Best of luck.

Terry

Most of the political things from 2009 are irrelevant now?

You've got to be shitting me. That is the most asinine thing I've read all week.

Terry, you are obviously someone that cannot be reasoned with from a rational standpoint. Ray Charles could see that we are in this current mess directly as a consequence of the politics from 2008-09. To you think otherwise would be analogous to a myopic ostrich with his head buried to the clavicles in soft sand.

I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread before I lose my temper. Have a good day everyone.

Kenati, before you blow your stack, think about what I said in relevance to the thread, not to all things in general. Dan Copper was ousted as CEO of Copper Arms. What Dan said or who Dan supported in the last election would really have no bearing in my decision to buy a rifle from Copper Arms today 10/12/2014. He's gone.

Now as far as the rest of the stuff I said, there is a great possibility most of the clothes on your body, the majority of the parts in your "American made car" and the shoes on your feet came out of China or some other communist country. IMO, a far greater threat to the sovereignty and prosperity of the USA than someone who supported the "other" candidate for an election in a free country.

With that said I'm a republican. I've never supported or voted for Obama but if you think this mess we are in only started in 2008-2009 it's you that has your head in the sand. There is plenty of blame to go around both sides on this one and I'll leave it at that.

Take care,
Terry

TC1,

Dan sold the company, which as majority stockholder he could do, and reports from there are that he is carrying the loan for the employee purchase, to keep the company from folding.

"Ousted", by choice, and only if you consider that he is not overtly involved in the day to day operations. The overhead to figure out a retail price includes $$$ to Dan on the note.

He makes significant $$$ on every rifle sold, to this date.

On that basis, you ARE an ass...

Wrong (as usual.)

And you backed it up with name calling. You're a little man sharpshooter and I truly feel sorry for you.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6150395

Regardless of your misguided opinion, if I was in the market for a highend semicustom rifle I would give Cooper Arms some consideration. That's what this thread is about.

I read your link TC1, i wonder what all these buttholes that supported Obummer think of him now after six years of hope and change, it's more like hope it will change soon.

I am about as rightwing as anyone, i own 7 cooper's and probally will buy more, i think they are well worth the money, they all seem to shoot well with little load development.

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Originally posted by Gale Johnson:
I read your link TC1, i wonder what all these buttholes that supported Obummer think of him now after six years of hope and change, it's more like hope it will change soon.

I would imagine Cooper himself has had second thoughts about his choices.

nah, he was delusional before we'd ever heard of obuttboy...

tc1,

if you believe anything on the major news outlets you are dumber than we initially surmised. Do you think there would be any other reason to name it "Cooper" arms other than the majority owner?

Since I know an employee that was there when they were part of Warne in Oregon and made the move, I think I have a little better idea than you do about the day to day since they moved.

yeah, yeah, I know; if it was on ABC it must be the absolute truth.

I'm downgrading you to moron.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
nah, he was delusional before we'd ever heard of obuttboy...

tc1,

if you believe anything on the major news outlets you are dumber than we initially surmised. Do you think there would be any other reason to name it "Cooper" arms other than the majority owner?

Since I know an employee that was there when they were part of Warne in Oregon and made the move, I think I have a little better idea than you do about the day to day since they moved.

yeah, yeah, I know; if it was on ABC it must be the absolute truth.

I'm downgrading you to moron.

You know somebody,,,,,,,,,that's classic.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter: Do you think there would be any other reason to name it "Cooper" arms other than the majority owner?

Seeing that he was voted out by the board of directors of Cooper Arms (fact.) It's pretty obvious he didn't have controlling interest in the company. That can't happen when you have controlling interest. You can resign but you can't be voted out. It doesn't matter who's name is on the side of the rifle. He didn't own the controlling stake in Cooper Arms. You might want to talk to your friend about that.

Another thing you are dead wrong about:

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter: reports from there are that he is carrying the loan for the employee purchase, to keep the company from folding.

It's not an employee owned company. Cooper Arms is now owned by Hugo Vivero, the same guy that owns Wilson Arms. How the deal was financed I really don't know but it's obvious you don't either.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter: He makes significant $$$ on every rifle sold, to this date.

Got any REAL proof of this other than "you know somebody?" If so I would really like to see it. I imagine it's just one more thing you've made up.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter: Since I know an employee that was there when they were part of Warne in Oregon and made the move, I think I have a little better idea than you do about the day to day since they moved.

I don't really think you do. I'm going with the ABC version over the "I know somebody" version: ABC NEWS REPORT ABOUT COOPER ARMS PROVES IDAHO SHARPSHOOTER IS A COMPLETE IDIOT.



It's pretty obvious at this point that neither you, the person you know or the mouse in your pocket really has any clue about the subject at hand.

Bitter and stupid is no way to go though life, it must really suck to be you.

Everyone is entitled to one big life lapse in judgement to be overlooked.
Just because Greg Allman married Cher did we stop listening to the Allman Brothers?

Cooper makes a top shelf rifle for the money. I own a few of them and will continue to buy them until someone makes one better/cheaper.

Buy the 52 and enjoy it.

All the Cooper political pundits should spend your time arguing about the weather… You can't change the past, but you can leave it where it belongs.
'NUFF SAID!