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OMg! Griffin & Howe Mauser Goodness!
22 June 2017, 10:06
ColoradoMattOMg! Griffin & Howe Mauser Goodness!
I'm not much of a G&H fan, but this one's about got me to change my religion!
http://www.gunsinternational.c...cfm?gun_id=100871834BTW, it belongs to Mark Sullivan!
Matt
FISH!!
Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984:
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."
22 June 2017, 10:18
458WinIt would cost you three to four times that to duplicate it -- and it still wouldn't be an original G&H
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com 22 June 2017, 10:28
ColoradoMattThe biggest problem, for me, is that rifle is a true collectors piece, and I would have to shoot and hunt with it! Just lovely! Lovely, lovely!
Matt
FISH!!
Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984:
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."
22 June 2017, 10:33
Austin HunterLove the cheep piece comb intersection.
"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan
"Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians."
Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness.
22 June 2017, 15:18
GunswizardThat's an exceptionally striking early G & H, I once owned a Springfield 1922 G & H from that era and later a M/70 .35 Whelen. American craftsmanship at its very finest.
22 June 2017, 16:28
ZephyrThat's a sweety
22 June 2017, 17:42
HuviusThat IS a very nice early G&H!
I especially like their Mausers and this particular one is built up on a genuine square bridge Oberndorf sporter action.
You should buy it!
22 June 2017, 20:14
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)Someone didn't do their homework..this is WAY under rmarket price. Guns like this should be sold thru professional's. I think there's the ide of saving commission.
Jumping over a dollar to get to a dime!
22 June 2017, 20:46
ColoradoMattquote:
Originally posted by Huvius:
That IS a very nice early G&H!
I especially like their Mausers and this particular one is built up on a genuine square bridge Oberndorf sporter action.
You should buy it!
No, someone else should buy it, so that I don't go and do something stupid!
Matt
FISH!!
Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984:
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."
22 June 2017, 21:48
lindy2Their wood is always so dark. Action is nice, but I don't see much special about the rifle as a whole. $20,000 to duplicate it? I think I'd rather have 4 $5000 guns.
22 June 2017, 23:48
Colin Masters http://www.gunsinternational.c...cfm?gun_id=100871787And for $70,000 you can have this.
23 June 2017, 01:28
vicvanbquote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Someone didn't do their homework..this is WAY under rmarket price.
It's an unengraved 30-06 with the basic Griffin&Howe features and no G&H side mount. Similar G&H rifles in similar condition have sold at recent auctions in the $3500-$4000 price range plus the 15% buyer's premium.
23 June 2017, 01:35
LHeym500Say what you want to about M.S. He had good taste in firearms.
23 June 2017, 05:12
ColoradoMattquote:
Originally posted by vicvanb:
quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Someone didn't do their homework..this is WAY under rmarket price.
It's an unengraved 30-06 with the basic Griffin&Howe features and no G&H side mount. Similar G&H rifles in similar condition have sold at recent auctions in the $3500-$4000 price range plus the 15% buyer's premium.
No side mount is a good thing, IMHO! That's what turns me off of most G&H rifles. That square bridge action, alone, is worth a mint. I really like D'Arcy Echols mato "Simplicity Rules!" This rifle embodies that, and like others have already pointed out, it'a a terrific example of an early G&H and of early 20th century American gunmaking. Not for everyone, for sure, but the word "classic" can be no more aptly applied.
Matt
FISH!!
Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984:
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."
23 June 2017, 11:19
p dog shooterTalking about how much something is worth is easy.
Putting up the money is real hard.
23 June 2017, 13:01
A7DaveDoes anyone know a stock duplicator that has that pattern? I really like the G&H full grip.
Dave
23 June 2017, 18:04
eddiel4It's an unfortunate reality of life but an unengraved G&H that isn't scoped and is in 30/06 does not command a price that we would feel is justified. The old adage "the value is what someone's willing to pay for it" applies and a rifle like this still hasn't "returned" form the 2008 drop. I can only surmise that those of us loving this style of vintage rifle aren't applying our discretionary funds like we used to. Maybe it's being reserved for even more special rifles but vicvanb is correct and it can be seen by reviewing past sales of similar rifles at the auction houses and online. To me, maybe we shouldn't view this as anything but a great buying opportunity. I hope that's the case and not a shift in the marketplace...
Edward Lundberg
23 June 2017, 19:41
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)quote:
Originally posted by A7Dave:
Does anyone know a stock duplicator that has that pattern? I really like the G&H full grip.
John Vest has the pattern for the "chin strap" cheekpiece. The grip on that G&H is REALLY close, but he can most likely modify
25 June 2017, 11:08
A7DaveThanks for the info!
Dave
quote:
Originally posted by A7Dave:
Does anyone know a stock duplicator that has that pattern? I really like the G&H full grip.
Walnut Grove Gun Stocks (http://www.walnutgrovegunstocks.com/) lists a couple of G&H patterns, one for iron sights and one for scope.
27 June 2017, 23:33
458WinThe fact that it is now listed as "on hold" means someone has both good taste and an optimistic vision
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
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www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com Phil, is a trip to Alaska and a can of Rustoleum in its future? :-)
28 June 2017, 00:43
458Winquote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
Phil, is a trip to Alaska and a can of Rustoleum in its future? :-)
Biebs, Everytime I buy a nice old Spfld sporter I tell myself that it is the last one. You of all people know that line !
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
Alaska Master guide
FAA Master pilot
NRA Benefactor
www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com 28 June 2017, 01:05
Savage_99Those old rifles with only irons and iron for metal don't fair well for me where there is rain, rain.
Today the Stainless Steel guns have filled the front row in the rack for many.
Get the 'power' or optic that your eye likes instead of what someone else says.
When we go to the doctor they ask us what lens we like!
Do that with your optics.
28 June 2017, 04:02
cal pappasThis rifle just shouts class and character.
I understand those wanting stainless and plastic rifles for rainy weather. What I don't understand is how many of these rifles are proudly called "custom" when they are nothing but machine made metal parts with a plastic stock screwed on. There is no gunsmithing skill. Utility rifles and guns, yes. Custom work, no. Being able to program a computer lathe is not gunsmithing skill. IMO, of course.
Again, this rifle here is absulutely stunning. Most gun shops don't do this level of work for two reasons--they can't and the buying public won't pay for it. The level of firearms quality has declined over the decades. It is not just now, but rifles made 120 years ago have more attention to detail and quality than those 60 years ago. Look what happened to Winchester in 1964. The public accepts low class work (such as wood to metal fit) so that is what the shops turn out. Don't get me wrong, there are quality 'smiths out there, but they are few in number.
Cal
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28 June 2017, 17:12
Jim KobeYou ought to post that over on 24hr campfire, custom rifles section. Prepare to be blasted. I mean about the supposed "Custom" ones
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28 June 2017, 18:32
butchlambertWell beat up on me. I think we have at least a couple here in the old USofA that are also members of this forum that does as good as the one pictured.I'm not downplaying the pictured rifle, butt.
06 July 2017, 22:07
Fal GruntI do not have the collection of G&H's and Rigby's that some on this forum have, but my experience with older rifles show that TODAYS custom rifles are some of the best pieces of work ever made.
I do own a few (for their day) very high end German guns and have handled many older English and American custom rifles.
I would put many custom rifles built by members here up against them any day for having better fit and finish, better shooting, and over all better quality.
One of my good friends is a WELL known custom rifle builder in TX and I would whole heartedly disagree that his rifles do not qualify as "custom". Does he have to do all the machining that I do? No, absolutely not. My rifles do not compete in matches at 2 MILES either.
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