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Had an inquiry....Anyone make .287 buillets for this cartridge?


A thought...taking a procedure fron engine builders, knurling would "blow out" an over the hill piston


Cauld this be done to a .284 bullet?
 
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Yes you can knurl bullets.
 
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Does anyone make a .287 barrel?
 
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Had an inquiry....Anyone make .287 bullets for this cartridge?


A thought...taking a procedure from engine builders, knurling would "blow out" an over the hill piston

Could this be done to a .284 bullet?
Hello Duane,

I have a special Corbin swage die to bump .284 dia bullets up to .288 dia so I can load for 280 Ross and 280 Dubeil cartridges. pm me if I can help.


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OK...just got to the bottom of this! The rifle is actually a 7mm Rem Magnum. Owner just wanted the caliber designation to be something a "Little sexier"

However, I really appreciate the information...who knows when that might come in real handy

Don't know if 287 barrels are available (easily anyway)

Thanks very much Duane
 
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I wanted the same thing with my 7x57 AI.


I had mine marked 275 Rigby Improved.


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OK...just got to the bottom of this! The rifle is actually a 7mm Rem Magnum. Owner just wanted the caliber designation to be something a "Little sexier"

However, I really appreciate the information...who knows when that might come in real handy

Don't know if 287 barrels are available (easily anyway)

Thanks very much Duane


I don't know that renaming a 7mm Rem Mag rifle to 275 H&H is a good idea. Both being belted cartridges would see headspacing okay if a 275 H&H cartridge was chambered in the 7mm Rem Mag and although the cases are the same overall length, the shoulders are quite a bit different in diameter and likely the angle different too. While a 275 H&H may fireform in the 7mm chamber, it may also split badly.

Is there any liability involved here?

As for marking a 7x57 AI as a 275 Rigby Imp. as Hasher has done is not an issue as both are the same cartridge, firing a cartridge marked 275 Rigby (aka 7x57) in the 7x57 AI chamber will just improve it.
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As I see it,...IF a 284 barrel is in use and somehow, a stumbler coujld jam a proper 275 H&H round into the hamber and touch it off, that .287-288 buillet would most certainly raise pressure to.....?

Fire form...? Hard to ell just what a fired case would look like.

I suggested the barrel be lettered in some manner to show a warning/advisory.

Re the 275 Rigby....still don't know what or who to believe. Since the Rigby version is simply a 140 gr bullet, some believe the throat was shorter to make the acomodation...ohers say Rigby simply used a 7 mm Mauser reamer (long enough throat to acomadate 175 gr bullets )

Personally, I've never been able to make a finding either way, but never was asked to chamber wih the short throat reamer I offer
 
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Had an inquiry....Anyone make .287 buillets for this cartridge?


A thought...taking a procedure fron engine builders, knurling would "blow out" an over the hill piston


Cauld this be done to a .284 bullet?



Yes, Woodleigh makes .287" 160Gr and 175gr PP SN bullets for the 275 H&H cartridge. Or did make them up until the fire, who knows if Geoff will get around to making them again. It seems he is concentrating on establishing production of the best selling bullets first which of course is understandable. I doubt that the .287" 275 H&H bullets had a big customer base.
 
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Duane,

.275 Belted Remington Magnum?

Ah .... if only someone would or could manufacture precision self-centering reaming or cleaning rounds.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Had an inquiry....Anyone make .287 buillets for this cartridge?


A thought...taking a procedure fron engine builders, knurling would "blow out" an over the hill piston


Cauld this be done to a .284 bullet?



Yes, Woodleigh makes .287" 160Gr and 175gr PP SN bullets for the 275 H&H cartridge. Or did make them up until the fire, who knows if Geoff will get around to making them again. It seems he is concentrating on establishing production of the best selling bullets first which of course is understandable. I doubt that the .287" 275 H&H bullets had a big customer base.


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Strangely enough COTW (14th edition) and Chuck Hawks both list the 275 H&H as having .284" diameter bullets same as for most other 7mm cartridges.
 
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As I see it,...IF a 284 barrel is in use and somehow, a stumbler coujld jam a proper 275 H&H round into the hamber and touch it off, that .287-288 buillet would most certainly raise pressure to.....?

Fire form...? Hard to ell just what a fired case would look like.

I suggested the barrel be lettered in some manner to show a warning/advisory.

Re the 275 Rigby....still don't know what or who to believe. Since the Rigby version is simply a 140 gr bullet, some believe the throat was shorter to make the acomodation...ohers say Rigby simply used a 7 mm Mauser reamer (long enough throat to acomadate 175 gr bullets )

Personally, I've never been able to make a finding either way, but never was asked to chamber wih the short throat reamer I offer


It's unlikely a stumbler would be able to chamber a .287 .288 bullet into the smaller throat of a 7mag but if the larger bullet did chamber and is fired startup pressure would swage it down immediately and it would pass on thru. Yes the pressure would be a little greater, but as long as the load is a safe load for the original, the shooter likely wouldn't ever know the difference. If the bullet was not a lead core bullet, a solid of some sort, then yes pressure will be seen and perhaps experienced. I've been told by those who make bullets that lead swages at 2000 PSI. Wasn't it PO Ackley that experimented with shooting .358 diameter bullets thru .308 barrels to prove the bullet swages to size almost immediately, extrudes and just passes on thru the barrel, or was Zeglin that did that experiment.



 
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Woodleigh has them listed in 160gr and 175gr. Probably special order, especially since they just started production.


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As I see it,...IF a 284 barrel is in use and somehow, a stumbler coujld jam a proper 275 H&H round into the hamber and touch it off, that .287-288 buillet would most certainly raise pressure to.....?

Fire form...? Hard to ell just what a fired case would look like.

I suggested the barrel be lettered in some manner to show a warning/advisory.

Re the 275 Rigby....still don't know what or who to believe. Since the Rigby version is simply a 140 gr bullet, some believe the throat was shorter to make the acomodation...ohers say Rigby simply used a 7 mm Mauser reamer (long enough throat to acomadate 175 gr bullets )

Personally, I've never been able to make a finding either way, but never was asked to chamber wih the short throat reamer I offer


It's unlikely a stumbler would be able to chamber a .287 .288 bullet into the smaller throat of a 7mag but if the larger bullet did chamber and is fired startup pressure would swage it down immediately and it would pass on thru. Yes the pressure would be a little greater, but as long as the load is a safe load for the original, the shooter likely wouldn't ever know the difference. If the bullet was not a lead core bullet, a solid of some sort, then yes pressure will be seen and perhaps experienced. I've been told by those who make bullets that lead swages at 2000 PSI. Wasn't it PO Ackley that experimented with shooting .358 diameter bullets thru .308 barrels to prove the bullet swages to size almost immediately, extrudes and just passes on thru the barrel, or was Zeglin that did that experiment.



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Timan brought the throat to light. Thanks.
If the H&H .287 would chamber in a 7mm magnum, it will shoot just fine shooting a bullet that is only .003" oversize. Extraction of the fire-formed case not a concern. However, I wouldn't be surprised if an unfired chambered round would be difficult to extract. The neck of the case is .010" larger. Worst case scenario for extraction of an unfired round - bullet stuck in the throat, powder everywhere. Yes? No?
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