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Synthetic stocks (gulp)
04 December 2018, 03:38
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)Synthetic stocks (gulp)
My neighbor has a 700 in 300 Win Mag and asked me for recommendations on a synthetic stock. Looks like he wants to keep cost down. My spin is that he wants a "drop in"..I haven't a clue..ideas?
04 December 2018, 04:06
BaxterBI’ve had good luck with HS precision. Have two on a 270 and 338. Shot them before and after bedding, didn’t see a difference in accuracy. They have an aluminum bedding block. Also have a Bell and Carlson on a 9.3. It has a bedding block as well. Both good stocks for the money in my opinion. McMillan is good, but more $$$. Ebay can be a great place to find deals. That’s where I got my 270 Stock
04 December 2018, 04:46
craigsterManners is another option. Stocky's has a good selection of synthetics.
https://www.stockysstocks.com/04 December 2018, 04:49
MNRHave him check out this site if he's looking to keep cost down.
http://www.gunstox.com/They sell Mcmillan seconds with occasional minor blemishes. They also sell a cheaper brand called "Grayboe". I'm unfamiliar with this product. They appear similar to some of Mcmillan's stocks.
04 December 2018, 05:51
marley7x57If he wants a factory remington stock, simple drop in, you can find those at the Remington website thru this link:
https://www.remington.com/shop...cks/c/RP-RifleStocks04 December 2018, 06:15
df06If you want to keep cost down, but get a good quality stock, I’d get a B&C. If you want to spend a couple hundred more, HS precision. A couple hundred more again, Mcmillan. Be prepared for a long wait for the mcmillan
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04 December 2018, 06:29
marley7x57D'Arcy Echols Shrike stock is nice-but will require cut to LOP, pad fitted, bedded, finish etc.
Perhaps a Hogue stock.
04 December 2018, 07:43
Mark ClarkI have three McMillans and have had no issues with them.
I'm a big fan of the Hunter's Edge lightweight stock my go to rifle has one. But they are not cheap. You get what you pay for.
M
04 December 2018, 07:57
matt salmFor reasonable cost and good quality I’d look at the B&C Medalist. Aluminum block, good recoil pad, and the AlaskanII model is pretty light with good ergonomics
Shoot straight, shoot often.
Matt
04 December 2018, 19:03
TimanFiberglass custom products 605-390-1857 (Jay Swenson) a fiberglass guru.
He makes synthetic stocks for quite a few other companies.
He makes a nice 700 blank with pillars installed.
You bed it, send it back for pad and paint.
I like his reasonable prices for blanks and great paint work
He will paint any stock. His turn is fast nearly immediate.
04 December 2018, 19:56
Snellstromquote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
My neighbor has a 700 in 300 Win Mag and asked me for recommendations on a synthetic stock. Looks like he wants to keep cost down. My spin is that he wants a "drop in"..I haven't a clue..ideas?
All I can do is laugh....
05 December 2018, 00:32
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)Thanks Gentlemen..I'll pass all of them on
05 December 2018, 01:49
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)quote:
Originally posted by Snellstrom:
quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
My neighbor has a 700 in 300 Win Mag and asked me for recommendations on a synthetic stock. Looks like he wants to keep cost down. My spin is that he wants a "drop in"..I haven't a clue..ideas?
All I can do is laugh....
Then...I consider my day well spent
05 December 2018, 03:25
Dulltool17quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Thanks Gentlemen..I'll pass all of them on
I must have dyslexia. The first time I read that, it look as though it said "Thanks Gentlemen.. I'll pass on all of them"
Doug Wilhelmi
NRA Life Member
05 December 2018, 08:58
eagle27Whats wrong with the standard Remington 700 synthetic stock. My two hunting sons and myself have original factory synthetic stocks on our Rem700, Weatherby Vanguard and Marlin XS7 rifles which all shoot perfect. I just free float them like I have done on any wooden stocked rifle I have owned. Sons use bipods and suppressors on their rifle, no problems with the cheap synthetics.
05 December 2018, 20:45
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)I don't know if anything;'s wrong with them..he now has a wood stock and I think he looking for some magic transformation
05 December 2018, 21:26
Mike_DettorreHogue over mold. Lot's of folks like the utility of synthetic stock.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
09 December 2018, 07:48
eagle27quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
I don't know if anything;'s wrong with them..he now has a wood stock and I think he looking for some magic transformation
It was a rhetorical question, just making the point that there is actually nothing wrong with the original plastic stocks on most rifles, easy to get replacements with drop in capability and cheap. No need to search for expensive after market stuff that may take some fitting and not perform any better but as always each to their own, if you have the money and can get brand x then go for it.
10 December 2018, 00:18
AtkinsonI built some guns one time and used a Pacific Research, designed by Jim Coffin,Gun guild member, and it was the nicest plastic stock Ive seen..I guess they sold outand somebody else bought them..Could someone tell me who that might be..Ive been going to build a SS synthetic stock gun for Idaho late hunts..Any information would be nice.
Ray
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
10 December 2018, 12:20
CougarzBell & Carlson Medalist is a pretty decent stock at a pretty good price. They have an internal aluminum bedding block.
A synthetic stock does take a beating better than wood, never moves and saves a little weight. Of course they will never match the looks of one of your stocks on the rifles you build!
Roger
___________________________
I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along.
*we band of 45-70ers*
10 December 2018, 19:13
nopride2quote:
built some guns one time and used a Pacific Research, designed by Jim Coffin,Gun guild member, and it was the nicest plastic stock Ive seen..I guess they sold outand somebody else bought them..Could someone tell me who that might be..Ive been going to build a SS synthetic stock gun for Idaho late hunts..Any information would be nice.
They sold to Borden. Borden Rimrock stocks. Borden quit stock making some years ago and had the stock business for sale. I don't know if it ever sold.
Dave
10 December 2018, 22:10
NONAGONAGINPlastic/synthetic stocks can be excellent...I have many excellent stocks from many makers...others not worth burning(besides the poisonous fumes) The few factory rifles I've purchased in the past 10 years or so had flimsy, flexible, pis spoor FUBARS that were exchanged for wood very quickly.(I DIDN'T buy them for the stocks) I have as many synthetic stocks as walnut/laminated in my racks and the net has MANY stocks for sale.
I like wood but it takes me longer to do a semi-finished stock than it does to paint my house, so a ≈$100 Boyd's usually gets the call AND Boyd's has some nice additional goodies if you gotta go custom.
ALL the name brands take time to acquire and there are many with alum bedding blocks and even some with an aluminum stock with wood/synthetic overlays that are REALLY cool, all the good things of ALL the good materials.
My guns are tools just like a hammer or combo wrench...nice shiny Snap-ons are VERY pretty AND slick, hard to hold in oily, greasy hands so pretty can go have carnal knowledge of itself...it DON'T necessarily get the job done and better than my "Ugly old fool's" nasty things and busted knuckles are a result of shiny, slick, pretty wrench's slipping in a hand.
But if you like pretty, go for it...nothing wrong with your ideas of pretty, ain' no thang, bro.
Good Hunting
11 December 2018, 02:37
SNAPquote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I built some guns one time and used a Pacific Research, designed by Jim Coffin,Gun guild member, and it was the nicest plastic stock Ive seen..I guess they sold outand somebody else bought them..Could someone tell me who that might be..Ive been going to build a SS synthetic stock gun for Idaho late hunts..Any information would be nice.
Ray
I have had about 30 biggame bolt rifles in synthetic stocks, most of the name makes. I far preferred Pacific and Rimrocks and have several still. Old 21H and ZG Brnos and P-64S in these are my favourite working rifles by far, .338s and 9.3x62s slingimg 250 and 286 Npts.
11 December 2018, 17:42
butchlambertquote:
Originally posted by nopride2:
quote:
built some guns one time and used a Pacific Research, designed by Jim Coffin,Gun guild member, and it was the nicest plastic stock Ive seen..I guess they sold outand somebody else bought them..Could someone tell me who that might be..Ive been going to build a SS synthetic stock gun for Idaho late hunts..Any information would be nice.
Dave, I was fortunate to be able to buy 3 of Jim's receivers that he used to pattern his stocks. All three were pre64 Mod70s, with one being the older prewar.
They sold to Borden. Borden Rimrock stocks. Borden quit stock making some years ago and had the stock business for sale. I don't know if it ever sold.
Dave
11 December 2018, 18:48
Jim Kobequote:
Originally posted by butchlambert:
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Originally posted by nopride2:
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built some guns one time and used a Pacific Research, designed by Jim Coffin,Gun guild member, and it was the nicest plastic stock Ive seen..I guess they sold outand somebody else bought them..Could someone tell me who that might be..Ive been going to build a SS synthetic stock gun for Idaho late hunts..Any information would be nice.
Dave, I was fortunate to be able to buy 3 of Jim's receivers that he used to pattern his stocks. All three were pre64 Mod70s, with one being the older prewar.
They sold to Borden. Borden Rimrock stocks. Borden quit stock making some years ago and had the stock business for sale. I don't know if it ever sold.
Dave
Jim Coffin did not design those patterns/stocks,. They were done by another Jim and be damned if I can remember his name. He was a nationally ranked high power shooter from the pacific northwest area.
Just remembered him, Jim Cloward
Jim Kobe
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Bloomington MN 55437
952.884.6031
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11 December 2018, 19:51
AnotherAZWriterquote:
Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
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Originally posted by butchlambert:
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Originally posted by nopride2:
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built some guns one time and used a Pacific Research, designed by Jim Coffin,Gun guild member, and it was the nicest plastic stock Ive seen..I guess they sold outand somebody else bought them..Could someone tell me who that might be..Ive been going to build a SS synthetic stock gun for Idaho late hunts..Any information would be nice.
Dave, I was fortunate to be able to buy 3 of Jim's receivers that he used to pattern his stocks. All three were pre64 Mod70s, with one being the older prewar.
They sold to Borden. Borden Rimrock stocks. Borden quit stock making some years ago and had the stock business for sale. I don't know if it ever sold.
Dave
Jim Coffin did not design those patterns/stocks,. They were done by another Jim and be damned if I can remember his name. He was a nationally ranked high power shooter from the pacific northwest area.
Just remembered him, Jim Cloward
Jim Carmichel mentions Jim Cloward several times in his book "The Modern Rifle." He made stocks for his target rifles.
11 December 2018, 21:02
cooperjdI have 2 rem700's in B&C Alaskan stocks with the aluminum bedding block.
I used "Ernie the gunsmith" 'accurisers', little shims that fit perfectly in the little spaces where the action screws come through the stock. this gives the effect of pillar bedding since the spacers allow the action to only have contact with the stock at the screw locations. I bedded the action with those spacers installed.
the result is 2 super smooth factory actions that both shoot lights out (sub-moa and really sub-moa) with handloads... and didn't break the bank.
12 December 2018, 05:36
LHeym500What about Brown Precision?
12 December 2018, 18:20
butchlambertquote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
What about Brown Precision?
I have several Browns, they are my favorite synthetic stock.
12 December 2018, 18:48
458WinAs I bed my 458 Mk X in an early Brown Prec stock 35 years ago and have carried it every year since I guess I would also have to say it is my favorite.
But having tried virtually all the other makes I really like the Rimrock stocks, both the originals and those by Borden.
I also love the McMillian stocks designed and sold by D'Arcy Echols as they have a more open grip and are suitable for larger calibers.
And if you are a fan of the slim, trim English style stalking rifles like those built by Rigby, Joe and Brett Smithson make an absolutely fantastic stock. But they are individually built and not much cheaper than having a custom wood stock built.
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
Alaska Master guide
FAA Master pilot
NRA Benefactor
www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com 12 December 2018, 23:10
butchloci don't understand this thread
is synthetic a new type of walnut or maple?? must be something grown in california
12 December 2018, 23:44
butchlambertquote:
Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
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Originally posted by butchlambert:
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Originally posted by nopride2:
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built some guns one time and used a Pacific Research, designed by Jim Coffin,Gun guild member, and it was the nicest plastic stock Ive seen..I guess they sold outand somebody else bought them..Could someone tell me who that might be..Ive been going to build a SS synthetic stock gun for Idaho late hunts..Any information would be nice.
Dave, I was fortunate to be able to buy 3 of Jim's receivers that he used to pattern his stocks. All three were pre64 Mod70s, with one being the older prewar.
They sold to Borden. Borden Rimrock stocks. Borden quit stock making some years ago and had the stock business for sale. I don't know if it ever sold.
Dave
Jim Coffin did not design those patterns/stocks,. They were done by another Jim and be damned if I can remember his name. He was a nationally ranked high power shooter from the pacific northwest area.
Just remembered him, Jim Cloward
Jim Carmichel mentions Jim Cloward several times in his book "The Modern Rifle." He made stocks for his target rifles.
I think this is the one that you are referring to, it is a Jim Cloward stock on a Roy Dunlap pattern from about 35 years ago. It has a Shilen receiver.
I believe Terry Leonard builds Jim's BR wood stocks at this time.
13 December 2018, 02:57
butchlambertquote:
Originally posted by butchloc:
i don't understand this thread
is synthetic a new type of walnut or maple?? must be something grown in california
Brown Precision harvested the Kevlar in my stock from Borneo. Pretty rare stuff and hard to find.
13 December 2018, 07:39
458WinI am sure mine is Circassian fiberglass
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
Alaska Master guide
FAA Master pilot
NRA Benefactor
www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com 13 December 2018, 13:40
Cougarzquote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
My neighbor has a 700 in 300 Win Mag and asked me for recommendations on a synthetic stock. Looks like he wants to keep cost down. My spin is that he wants a "drop in"..I haven't a clue..ideas?
The original post was for a stock that didn't cost a bunch. That's why I mentioned a B&C. If cost was less a problem then some of the others mentioned are very nice. I for one like what Brown Precision and McMillan make too.
Hopefully your neighbor has some ideas to work with.
Roger
___________________________
I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along.
*we band of 45-70ers*
13 December 2018, 20:06
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)Thanks Cougarz: Yeah...I'll save him a brain fart by not overloading him. He's new to the game and his boss apparently has some good deer hunting land, but is really into long range shooting, and has my neighbor convinced you just can't do it without a synthetic stock. Thanks to all
13 December 2018, 21:12
nopride2I read the article on Phil's rifle "Old Ugly" and its reference to a Brown stock. I was in the process of building a '06 hunting rifle at the time. I ordered a stock from Brown. Jim Cloward was done putting the barrel on. I bedded the rifle and made a few modifications. This rifle has been hard used for over 30 years. Scratches and gouges are easy to fix with body filler, sandpaper and a rattle can of flat black paint. It's like a Timex, keep on ticking.
Dave
14 December 2018, 00:49
BaxterBI do wish HS made stocks for Mausers. I kinda like them.
14 December 2018, 10:22
458Winquote:
Originally posted by Cougarz:
quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
My neighbor has a 700 in 300 Win Mag and asked me for recommendations on a synthetic stock. Looks like he wants to keep cost down. My spin is that he wants a "drop in"..I haven't a clue..ideas?
The original post was for a stock that didn't cost a bunch. That's why I mentioned a B&C. If cost was less a problem then some of the others mentioned are very nice. I for one like what Brown Precision and McMillan make too.
Hopefully your neighbor has some ideas to work with.
All the synthetic stocks work as they are simply handles. I have had decent luck with cheap Butler Creek and Hogue stocks and they often seem more immune to rough treatment than some of the thin shelled fiberglass stocks.
Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
Alaska Master guide
FAA Master pilot
NRA Benefactor
www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com 14 December 2018, 18:33
LHeym500I had an idea, but a Ruger Mark II paddle, synthetic stock won’t work at n a 700.
But that was a tough stock.
