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I think they look great but always wondered just how accurate they are given that the rear sight is attached to the rear of the bolt which will always be in a slightly different position. Given that the front and rear sight sight will be approximately 27 inches apart with a 22 inch barrel, it only take .022 in variation to move POI 3 inches. Have no idea how much variation would exist at the rear of the bolt from shot to shot, hence the question. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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I have found them to be extremely accurate from a rigby styled bolt mounted sight on my 7x57. I hunted and killed with it to 200 yds with confidence. One thing is to be deliberate with the bolt closure to make sure it does not 'bounce' a little off the action rail. My '08 DWM action was almost unworn so there was no bolt play which made the apeture rest in the same place each time but even with a slightly less pristine bolt and action interplay there is a way to ensure uniformity by a little action lockup work. | |||
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You can get very acceptable accuracy from a bolt mounted peep sight. It’s not going to be target rifle accuracy, but more than acceptable for hunting purposes. Here is a one I made for a Swedish Mauser Husquarvarna M46 rifle, based on the military M96 action. http://forums.accuratereloadin...871060032#3871060032 As you can see in the target, three (3) to four (4) inch accuracy is easily attained. Hope this helps. | |||
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there is a way to test the accuracy (or rather precision in this case). It takes two people, some trust, a good target, and a pair of 2-way radios. If you are interested, I could type it all out. Alternatively, you can read it in one of Paul Matthews' books - possibly "The Paper Jacket" FWIW, Matthew's found that aiming accuracy was about 1/4 MOA. When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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For refined installation the cocking piece and the sear are shaped with male and female mating V's so the they align the same every time. ACGG Life Member, since 1985 | |||
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That is the action lock-up work I was meaning. It can make a slightly worn bolt/action lock up at the same point for the aperture sight every time which is an accuracy aid. | |||
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They are excellent when used as a diopter with the barrel mounted open sights. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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SDH gave you the only correct answer. .A bolt peep on a std mauser as is, isn't particularly accurate at all, the fact that its a battle rifle should be your first clue as its designed to be loose so sand, mud et al. won't cause jams or misfires I suppose, you can wiggle it with your fingers..The cocking piece must be fitted without that movement...Properly engaged they are as accurate as any peep or receiver sight. Any sight that has movement is not accurate. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I had a Lyman sight on the bolt of a 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer and it was very accurate. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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This treatment can be found on some Rigby rifles with cocking piece mounted aperture sites. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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Do you know if there is a photo of this anywhere? I have a copy of your book BTW, outsitanding work. It would be great at some point, if a smith with your level of experience could publish a book heavily dedicated to color photo exemplars of specific features on the various rifles and shotguns made by gunmakers at your level. It's impressive work but hard to describe in writing and the black and white photos, often only showing the exterior of the gun, don't do it full justice. | |||
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I'll have to look through my pile, but an old rifle magazine from the early 2000's has an article by Ross Seyfried highlighting many nice features of fine old rifles. There is picture and description of the "V" treatment. The bottom of the V has a relief hole to keep gunk and debris from interrupting things. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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No, I do not have a photo of the sear~sight engagement. Custom Rifle in Color is written with all the photo taken and ready for editing and compilation. If you have about $50,000 we can begin the publishing process imediately. If not, I guess we will have to wait a bit longer~~~
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The one on our Rigby is precise. I can group as accurately with it as I can with the scope. Safe shooting............Larry | |||
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At what range? | |||
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In the FWIW department, the only valid test of the precision of aperture tang sights showed a 1/4 MOA aiming error. Aiming error will likely not change with range if the sighting target is proportional to distance. When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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OK! So you are saying I don't need a scope? Getting ready to watch the ISU-UT football game. | |||
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No, I did not say that, but you might not really know if you need a scope. I don't know what you know. I do know what I know, and I know I don't need a scope for 99.9% of my hunting - I use tang sights. One exception is squirrel hunting where I use an old Unertl SG because the contrast of a grey fox squirrel on a grey oak trunk in low light can be difficult, but otherwise, hitting the target is no problem. But this year, my number 1 squirrel rifle is out of action so I'm back to an old Marlin 39a and a tang sight. I doubt many squirrels will get away that I might have otherwise killed, but there will probably be a few. When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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Go TEXAS! When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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Are you in town - as in going to the actual game? When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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I have only shot this rifle with the peep sight at 100 yards. If I do my part I am sure I can do the same at longer ranges. I have put a few rounds down range looking through a peep sight in my lifetime. The bolt peep on the Rigby seems to be very precise and tight. Safe shooting............LL | |||
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I'm in downtown Poetry, Texas. I believe they are playing in Ames, Iowa. I'm a Tom Hermann fan and will root for Tejas tonight. I will watch the tube. | |||
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I hate what college football and basketball do to universities, so I'll pull for Texas too ISU once nearly had a perfect season. They were 0 and 10 going into the last game with KSU, which they tied in a last second field goal, 3 to 3. I was crushed! Anyway give the aperture tang sight a really good try. Your front sight matters in this too, however. When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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Would much rather put it on the rear bridge. Like D`arcy Echols has done with this:  | |||
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Yep, I like rear bridge peeps, I use Talleys QDs with Talley rings and bases.. I also like to hunt with iron sights, barrel mounted shallow V or peep sights of sorts, receiver sights, about any iron as long as its sighted in properly..Im good with a iron sight to 250 to 300 yards under good conditions and with a good solid rest..I try to keep ranges under 300 when hunting big game with any iron sight, past 200 I am more comfortable with a scope for sure, but Ive made a lot of 300 yard shots with irons on elk, just hole on the top line and drop one in.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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