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This followed me home from the gunshow today along with a Leupold VX-III 3.5-10 What I know. Chamber 6.5-06 HVA action Canjar single set trigger with tang safety Leupold 7.5X scope with AO. Metal butt plate with trapdoor RCBS FL size die 6.5-06 What I'm not sure of. What model HVA this is? Douglas barrel 1:10 twist? Conetrol rings? Bases say Buhler? If I'll ever warm up to the stock? Pictures                 I almost bought this rifle off of the owner last month at the same gunshow. He had sold it to one of the Vendors this weekend but when I saw it I couldn't let it get away another time. Probably paid more than I should have but the Vendor was asking the same price as the owner was a month ago. I don't really need or want a 6.5-06 but the rifle was so interesting I had to have it. | ||
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A rebarreled & restocked HVA. | |||
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Sorry, but that stock looks like somebody tried to put wheels on a miscarriage. | |||
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Yeah that stock looks like a wheeled miscarage and you won't warm to it unless you take up meth.... But anyway... All I care about are the scope/mounts/rings. The mounts are Buehler. The rings are Buehler solid rings. Sweet, but not really a big deal. What is a big deal is how did they get those rings on that scope?! Placing solid rings on a Weaver type scope was easy because you could remove the adjustment turrets. Putting them on a straight tube Leupold is not really a big deal either as the front ring slips on and the ocular assembly screws off and the rear ring can be slipped on easy enough. I have even had Leupold offer to do this for me and recharge the scope with nitrogen. But putting the solid ring on a scope with a large front bell!!??? I have no idea how they did that. Pretty cool. If you want to sell the scope and rings please let me know. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Interesting setup. Even has barrel pressure point screws. I'd be interested in seeing pictures of the tang safety when you pop it out of the stock. thanks rich | |||
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LMAO!! I didn't like the stock ever, but I figured the price of the parts was worth what I paid for the rifle. I'm sure if the rifle shoots well it will be getting a different scope and the 7.5X will be moved to my .223. If it doesn't shoot I'll either sell it or part it out and keep the scope for my .223. | |||
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It's a late maodel 1600 action. Someone removed the trigger mounted side safety and installed a tang safety. Why the cutout for the side safety? The Tang safety was probably added after it was re-stocked. The slot in the receiver was filled in when the original safety was removed.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Wow! You've got it bad don't you. . | |||
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The tang safety is a part of the Canjar set trigger, optional at extra cost. It's connected to the trigger via a sliding rod. There's another more-attractive stock shape hiding inside all that extra wood, if you care to do the rework. And after you redo the forend tip & grip cap & butt you can sell the trapdoor buttplate to me for a pretty penny! Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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Someone went to a bunch of touble building a stock which THEY thought was beautiful. In their eyes, maybe it was. I've decided to quit telling people what's beautiful to them. I only know what pleases me. BUT, I'd do what JD said. Start with a heavy horse-shoe rasp! Zeke | |||
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Yeah I've got it bad. I just really didn't know what model of HVA I bought. I'm not familiar with HVA rifles at all, and was hoping someone would have some answers. Plus the scope is an odd duck to me as I'm not familiar with all the fixed power scopes out there. I thought 7.5X was a little unique as well. I figured the price of the parts made the rifle worth the amount I paid for. | |||
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I'd bet the stock was from Herters..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Basically a small ring Mauser 98 but without the inner receiver ring and a unique bolt release. Strong Swedish steel but cheapened with alum. bottom metal. There are plenty who will see the pics and crave the Canjar set-up and trap buttplate. Ditto others stock comments. | |||
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True, nothing that a good wood wrasp and a little effort could not cure. Plus a good pad would fix the "white wood insert" on the butt. Could probably remove 1/2 lb of wood in the process and then re checker it. Would be interested to see how it groups. How is the inside of the barrel? Barstooler | |||
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The barrel looks good on the inside rifling is still sharp but I don't own a borescope to look any closer. Measured the barrel it is 19-7/8" long with a 1:9.5 twist. I'm betting with this short barrel it will bark for sure. | |||
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Back in the fifties, cars with fins were all the rage, in the 60's through the eighties, you could not give them away, except maybe the 57 Chevy. The nineties to the present, you damn near have to get a second mortgage to buy a finned wonder. It is kind of the same with guns except nobody has "started" pushing the"collectability" of the Weatherby, Lawson or "California" syle of stock, but I am sure that sooner or later, Guns and Ammo will probably do an article on why you should have one and the lemmings will all be out trying to buy them up! The thing is, there are probably a lot of people on this forum that would buy them if they were suddenly the rage and had the approval of the A.R. critics. I personally have loved classically stocked rifles since I was in my twenties, but when I was a kid, I remember going to the Weatherby store in Southgate and staring in wonder at all the glossy, highly figured wood stocked rifles. Luckily, I grew out of it! The Canjar trigger is probably worth $200 by itself, if not more, fairly uncommon. A wood rasp would help a bunch, and the preload screws have got to go! If you got it for under $500, you got a deal! DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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I'd like to reserve my place in line for the buttplate. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Actually the trap door butt plate is worth more than the gun I fear! I want seconds on the buttplate. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I still think that the sum of the parts might add up to more than I paid for the rifle as a whole. I know the stock could be reshaped but, I'm not sure I have the skill to take on that job. I'm currently looking for a stock that I can buy to restock the rifle but not in a hurry until I see how it shoots. Pecking order for the butt plate is as follows, that is if I decide to part with it. 1. J.D.Steele 2. ForrestB 3. Ray Atkinson | |||
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I have a myrtle wood semi inletted blank for a HVA action left over from another adventure.. If you are interested I'll send you some pictures if you pm me your email address.. $75.00 to your door. | |||
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Brownell's sold these trapdoor buttplates, made by Albright in CA, for ~$35 when the Niedner ones were selling for $10-$15. I bought only 4, thinking that they would always be available.... HAH! A comparable buttplate today would cost close to $100 if available. The custom ones made by various ACGG members are somewhat more substantial than the Albrights but also cost substantially more than $100 (grin). FYI here's a pic of a Canjar SST with the optional tang safety. These tang safeties were available as either screw-on or weld-on models, the one on your rifle is the screw-on model. This one in the pic below is identical but was made for the 1903 Springfield.  I don't know how much you paid, but in this case the parts are worth a substantial amount by themselves. Wish I had seen it first (grin). Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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I think my portable drill has a nicer looking trigger, although maybe this is a special purpose affair for some use I don't know about. Why so wide? _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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You would have had to been walking through the gunshows here in Colorado Springs for the last two months to have seen it. Nice old man was selling off his hunting rifles, he had this one and another HVA in a factory stock stamped 7mm Express sporting a fixed 6X Leupuold. There was a custom stocked Contender carbine in .375 JDJ 18" barrel and T/C scope with a couple of barrels that I can't remember the chamber on for around $700. They were priced about the same when I first saw them last month. However, when I bought it off of the dealer he sold them to on Sunday, he had hiked the price on the other HVA about $300 from the original owners asking price. I guess he figured he would have a hard time selling the 6.5-06 with that ugly stock. I guess the Dealer just didn't want the Contender as I didn't see it anywhere at the gunshow last weekend. | |||
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Are you saying my rifle isn't classicly stocked?  | |||
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Wink, this is a Single Set Trigger and the wide thick shoe contains both the secondary sear and the kicker spring. The shoes were available in at least 2 widths, with the thicker 1/2" one being quite popular due to its easier access for the setting digit. In operation the thumb (usually) pushes the shoe forward, compressing the kicker spring and setting the seconcary sear. The sedondary sear is a thin plate that pivots forward out of the front of the shoe, not shown in the pic above. A VERY light touch on this secondary plate/sear will then trip the main sear, firing the rifle. The Canjar setup shown above is essentially a copy of the 19th century Winchester 1885 single shot SST design, modernized and attached to a truly excellent fully-adjustable modern aftermarket trigger. The main trigger adjustments are contained in the body of the trigger while the set adjustment is contained in the bulky shoe. Too bad they don't make 'em any more. Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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Lets just say that I think I found the previous owner.....squill gun I'd venture to say!  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Are you suggesting you could somehow make it look worse? I think you have absolutely nothing to lose by trying! "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Ditto. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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HVA 1640 Action, 1960s version based on the alloy trigger guard. One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | |||
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More like I don't know where exactly to start. I'd probably start with the roll over comb, but if I knock it down too much it will not let my eye line up with the scope. | |||
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The nice thing about a project like that is you can always build it back up with body filler if you think you went too far. Then you paint the finished product and pretend its your new custom synthetic  Got two just like it.... "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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you could fix it up, no doubt about that, but I have no idea how much you paid for it and I hope it wasn't much...You can get a Boyds stock for about $159 drop in, glass it and you may need a Timney trigger and I don't know what else..You could also use a composition stock,or a laminated stock. The only thing about fixer uppers is you end up with a nice second rate gun. The scope is very usable, its a good scope. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have a Canjar trigger just like this but missing the screw or weld on tang. Anyone have such a thing or have one that can be duplicated? I also have a couple of the Albright trap door buttplates on rifles. Whether this rifle is pretty---reminds me of an ole expression "No matter how pretty she is someone is tired of XXXXing her". The last owner thought she was pretty but got tired---- | |||
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Disassembly, looking at the pic above of my Canjar (since given to Whitey), the 2 right-angle pieces at the lower right are actually Allen wrenches for trigger adjustment. The tang extension and its thumb piece are shown above the wrenches and the connecting rods and hardware are shown at the left & right top. The Canjar heirs can still supply some parts and a colleague actually recently received 2 Krag triggers from them. I myself ordered and received some parts from them a few years ago, so it might be worthwhile for you to check. Otherwise it's not TOO difficult to bench-fab the parts even though your finished product may not look exactly like an original......(grin). Sorry no Canjar address though. Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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J.D.Steele-Last time I attempted to contact Canjar their address and telephone not valid. I do plan to bench fab the part but would really like to have the exact dimensions for 98 Mauser as it is critical to correct operation of safety button---I have everything except the tang. | |||
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Sorry, mine was for a 1903 and has long since been exiled to the flatness of Eastern CO. In cases like this it's not uncommon for me to hafta make more than one 'til I get it right.... Good luck, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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J.D-Exactly what I was trying to avoid. | |||
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I bought a few gunparts from a fellow AR member a few years ago. It had an Albright trap door butt plate new in the box. It is going on my 257 Roberts Hyper Single falling block. Bernie Harrell did the stockwork on a piece of French walnut from Tom Turpin. Kathy Forster did the checkering. David Christman is finishing the quarter rib and doing the rust blue. I sure like the butt plate. Butch | |||
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Butch, I usually line my buttstock cavities with either leather or felt, am still looking for the PERFECT treatment but haven't found it yet. Have seen them lined with spray-on fuzz but that's NOT for me! The felt works well but can become a moisture attractor under certain conditions, and is not removable since it's glued into the cavity. The leather can be removed for drying if necessary. Here's a pic of one of my Martini Cadet butt treatments with the removable leather liner and a little leather pouch to hold the Unertl scope's end caps while shooting. Not completed yet but you get the idea.  The liner keeps the contents from rattling and gives the cavity a more finished look. Just remember to also line the lid to match. Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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