What do you guys think about the quality of Lazzeroni rifles? what do you think about the usefulness of Lazzeroni cartridges and are there any of them you are interested in? there are 2 Lazzeroni cartridges that i kind of have an interest in, the .308 Warbird and .257 Scramjet. i've never had any interest in Lazzeroni and still don't have much but i could consider a rifle in .308Warbid or .257Scramjet. i checked their website and they had an incredible accuracy guarantee. but i like wood stocks best and they didn't have one rifle with a wooden stock pictured on their website. their rifles are also fairly pricey at $6000.00 for the cheapest model i saw there. thanks very much for any info or opinions.

Pez, the Lazzaroni rifles have always struck me as a re-invention of the Weatherby concept...sacrifice everything for ultimate velocity, and then wrap it up in a gaudy stock and charge a lot for it. Shooting a lightweight 130gr bullet in a 300 magnum caliber so you can get at or near 4,000 FPS doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I have a friend who is the best lion hunter I have met or even read about...but doesn't know squat about guns. He has loved the Lazzeronis ever since the late 1980s because of exactly what Biebs was speaking of. Great gobs of attractive sounding B.S., an extra 5 pounds of gloss, and 10 pounds of hype for every pound of rifle.

My friend spent 21 large for his latest Lazzeroni (because he is big on hype too...that's how he makes his living) but it doesn't kill any better than any other magnum he could have bought for $1,000 or less.

Me, I learned all I needed to know about Lazzeroni cartridges and rifles when I saw the names that were hung on them... "ScramJet"? "Warbird"? And all the other nonsensical titles and elite import sounding metric add-ons....

Really good shooting and hunting stuff doesn't need make-believe names. It will prove and sell itself.

make it clear that i'm no fan of Lazzeroni at all. i think their rifles are ugly and agree with what Alberta said about the names of their cartridges, as i think the names are goofy. i just constantly think guns and am fairly open minded about it and got thinking and developed a small interest in 2 of their cartridges. i seriously seriously doubt i'll ever get a Lazzeroni rifle and even if i got one of the cartridges it would probably be in a rifle from another company.

I've seen a few custom rifles by Rifles Inc, Prairie Gunworks, and others chambered for Lazzaroni cartridges.If you like the ballistics of one of their rounds, you don't need to but their rifle to get it.

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I've seen a few custom rifles by Rifles Inc, Prairie Gunworks, and others chambered for Lazzaroni cartridges.If you like the ballistics of one of their rounds, you don't need to but their rifle to get it.

thanks very much for that info Biebs. i'll check them out.

Pez, if it is the cartridge performance which entices you, you might want to do a comparison between the "Warbird" and the .30-.378 Weatherby.

Performance in the real world is close to identical, and the Weatherby is about half or less of the Lazzeroni price in factory rifles. Plus Weatherby's will be happy to provide a walnut stock if you want one.

Pez, if you don't mind answering, how old are you?

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Pez, if it is the cartridge performance which entices you, you might want to do a comparison between the "Warbird" and the .30-.378 Weatherby.

Performance in the real world is close to identical, and the Weatherby is about half or less of the Lazzeroni price in factory rifles. Plus Weatherby's will be happy to provide a walnut stock if you want one.

thanks. i checked on some prices today on the Weatherby Mark V TRR RC(Range Certified)camo .30-378 and TRR Custom Magnum .30-378 and got prices of $3249.95 and $2349.95 respectively. i actually own a Mark V Accumark in 30-378 but would like to get one of the other models and may trade it in on one of them. i know the 30-378 and .308Warbird are close ballistically but the .308Warbird is the most powerful 30 caliber that i know of that is not a wildcat and i can't help but be fascinated with stuff like that. i don't have a very strong interest in the .308Warbird though so it's not a priority and i most likely won't get one.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
Pez, if it is the cartridge performance which entices you, you might want to do a comparison between the "Warbird" and the .30-.378 Weatherby.

Performance in the real world is close to identical, and the Weatherby is about half or less of the Lazzeroni price in factory rifles. Plus Weatherby's will be happy to provide a walnut stock if you want one.

thanks. i checked on some prices today on the Weatherby Mark V TRR RC(Range Certified)camo .30-378 and TRR Custom Magnum .30-378 and got prices of $3249.95 and $2349.95 respectively. i actually own a Mark V Accumark in 30-378 but would like to get one of the other models and may trade it in on one of them. i know the 30-378 and .308Warbird are close ballistically but the .308Warbird is the most powerful 30 caliber that i know of that is not a wildcat and i can't help but be fascinated with stuff like that. i don't have a very strong interest in the .308Warbird though so it's not a priority and i most likely won't get one.

The .30/.378 Wby is not a wildcat either, and is just as powerful as the Lazzeroni, depending on whose data and chrono you believe (and when loaded to safe maximums).

Sounds to me as if you have talked yourself into having a Lazzeroni itch, so best you scratch it now. That way it won't bother you too long.

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Originally posted by Pez:

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
Pez, if it is the cartridge performance which entices you, you might want to do a comparison between the "Warbird" and the .30-.378 Weatherby.

Performance in the real world is close to identical, and the Weatherby is about half or less of the Lazzeroni price in factory rifles. Plus Weatherby's will be happy to provide a walnut stock if you want one.

thanks. i checked on some prices today on the Weatherby Mark V TRR RC(Range Certified)camo .30-378 and TRR Custom Magnum .30-378 and got prices of $3249.95 and $2349.95 respectively. i actually own a Mark V Accumark in 30-378 but would like to get one of the other models and may trade it in on one of them. i know the 30-378 and .308Warbird are close ballistically but the .308Warbird is the most powerful 30 caliber that i know of that is not a wildcat and i can't help but be fascinated with stuff like that. i don't have a very strong interest in the .308Warbird though so it's not a priority and i most likely won't get one.

The .30/.378 Wby is not a wildcat either, and is just as powerful as the Lazzeroni, depending on whose data and chrono you believe (and when loaded to safe maximums).

Sounds to me as if you have talked yourself into having a Lazzeroni itch, so best you scratch it now. That way it won't bother you too long.

if so, it's a very small itch and for only 2 cartridges. like i said i don't like the loks of Lazzeroni rifles and i think they are too expensive to only come in plain black synthetic stocks and i don't care anything at all about all the other Lazzeroni cartridges, goofy names and all. i have to say there is a very small posibility i could get a rifle chambered for the .308Warbird someday though.

I have shot the Firebird (.284) and can't see why the STW or the Dakota wouldn't be equally effective. But, if the data for the Titan (.338) are realistic, you have to respect the sheer power of the cartridge. 250 grains still carrying 3000+lbs of energy at 500 yds deserves respect. Only the Meteor tops it at 3600+ at 500 yds.

Just don't ask why you would need it...seems more like an academic exercise.

I had a warbird for a while, still have it actually, just needs a new barrel. It was freaking screaming fast. I had it built on a ruger m77 338 win mag action. We had to open up the bolt face quite a bit due to the fat cartridge. I was pushing 168 barnes txs little over 3700 fps, I think it was 3752 but can not remember exactly. I love fast rifles, speed created cavitation which creates tissue damage which equates to death. I know I will probably get flamed for this, but I am willing to shoot long distances at game. You know sometimes you just can not really get any closer.
If I had a beef with the cartridge is the short barrel life, and I mean short. Mine was a .75 rifle when we built it up with a lilja barrel I think #4 taper and fluted it it. By the time we got 500 rounds the first 1" of throat was kinda smooth bore and I could not keep anything under 1.5 MOA. I was loaded hot and flattening primers on each shot. But that is where the rifle grouped. SO I can not imagine getting more than 700 rounds out of a barrell. For me that is no worried, for alot of guys that wiull seem like the end of the world.

I will be rebuilding it soon, and I have not decided if I am going up to the titan or down to the scram jet. I have the meteor as well, it freaking punishes me. I have to fix that, but the warbird with a break is very mild.

Before anybody asks I am 49 years old.