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27 July 2012, 06:10
rgg_7
Griffin & Howe Enfield
Has anybody seen a Griffin & Howe P17 Enfield? Had some discussion with a collector who believes P17 actions were used for their magnum builts like 280 Dubiel etc? A picture of one would be greatly appreciated. Ron
27 July 2012, 06:19
Biebs
Call Paul Chapman at G&H. He's been there 35 years or so. (908) 766-2287
27 July 2012, 07:42
45-70 shooter
Ask Mike Petrov.

http://www.precisionshooting.c...gunmakers_frame.html

He knows more about classic bolt guns made in America than anyone living.

"The .288-diameter .280 Dubiel got no commercial support but performed impressively on its full-length .300 H&H case. "

If it were based on a H&H belted magnum case, the P14 would be a much better choice as the boltface is already the correct size and feeding would be easier as the magazine and rails were designed to feed a .540 rim, the H&H having a .532 rim.

IMHO G&H used Magnum Mauser actions as they were available ready to go whereas and P14/17 requires a lot of gunsmithing to make a decent looking action from it.

But a lot of strange stuff was done back in the day. I have seen Standard WW I GEW 98s actioned high grade custom rifles converted to 416 Rigby sitting in the rack at H&H in NYC. I owned a Sedgley Springfield in 300 H&H. You can imagine how much metal was hacked out to do that and how little backing there was behind the bottom locking lug on the bolt when closed. Then there was lengthing the magazine and follower and so on.
Things are a lot simpler now. I read a few years ago SAKO makes 5 different bolt action sizes/lengths!
27 July 2012, 08:39
Hog Killer
There is not such thing as a "P 17" Enfield.

The correct name is U S Model 1917.

Only the Brits ised a P #.

Keith


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27 July 2012, 09:35
PAUL J.A.
go to mike schwandts website he has a pic of one in the sold section....paul
27 July 2012, 21:59
458Win
I have only seen a few originals and they all had original safeties. I don't have any photos but do have one of a modern 416 Rigby version that Lon Paul built using a G&H stock style.





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27 July 2012, 22:10
Dago Red
Hey 458 do you have any more pics of it? Thanks a lot.

Red


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27 July 2012, 22:38
458Win






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28 July 2012, 12:41
AK_Stick
458, that is an absolutely beautiful rifle.


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02 August 2012, 12:00
GrandView
Here's an example of a vintage Griffin & Howe (mid 30's) on that action. This one started as a Remington 30-S.

Schwandt Classic Arms


03 August 2012, 07:43
ejfudd
I own a G&H .375 Weatherby on a Remington M30. I am away from home and will try to post photos in a couple days.
06 August 2012, 23:43
458Win
There were an awful lot of nice sporters built on Enfield actions when they were available cheaply and I was always especially attracted to the early ones made by G&H and H&H.

The more modern makers like Burgess, Echols and Paul, who also re-work the actions, change some of the unique features of the Enfield but also make pretty nice looking rifles as well.






Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
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FAA Master pilot
NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com
06 August 2012, 23:50
stocker
458Win: There is sure nothing wrong with the original safety on the P14/M17's, but: the safety on the Lon Paul rifle sure makes a much cleaner stock line from the front receiver ring all the way back to the safety and the curved transition down to the grip. Very neat job.


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