Are there any out there yet?.....all I see are the 8 X 57s
I'd assume they are all (or mostly) south American...
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I should have been more specific....are there any for sale in the US?.....
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South American countries did not use a lot of 98 actions mainly 91,92,93,95,96. Some used large rings actions derived from 98 with short receivers like 1904 or 1909 if I am correct.
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I never see any quantity of them for sale in Shotgun News.
The guns show I attend rarely have a Venezuelan or Brazilian in fit condition for the money. they are usually $350 to $500. However the last show I attended I saw a short rifle for $225 and nearly ran from it. It was not in bad condition externally for the money so there had to be something terrible wrong with it....
Originally posted by Arriba: South American countries did not use a lot of 98 actions mainly 91,92,93,95,96. Some used large rings actions derived from 98 with short receivers like 1904 or 1909 if I am correct.
I have a Peruvian Mauser built by FN and so marked, chambered in 30/06. I bought this rifle from a gentleman that swore it was a model 1936 and it may well be but all the Mod 1936's I've ever seen had the knurled cocking piece which this one does not have, cocking piece is identaical to my 98's. Any idea what I've actually got?
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By Dan Reynolds, with the most valued assistance of a private collector who has provided most of the photos for this article and Antonio Cuba in Peru who has provided additional information as well as photographs.
In the early 1890's Peru had various obsolete single shot military rifles in service as well as smaller numbers of repeating rifles such as the .44-40 Winchester Model 1873, the 11mm M1882 Remington Lee and 7.92mm Reichsgewehr M1888.
In 1901 Peru purchased the Mauser Modelo Argentino 1891 in 7.65x53mm. Rifles had a 29" barrel, and carbines which were stocked to the muzzle, with a 17.5" barrel. These were produced by Ludwig Loewe & Co. in Berlin and were identical with the Mausers being produced for Argentina in the same period.
I had the opportunity to examine many of the Argentine contract rifles over 40 years ago and small improvements were made during the span of production and I would assume that this may be reflected in Mausers with the Crest of Peru on the receiver ring, but I cannot say if all change versions observed on the Argentine Mausers appear among the reported 30,000 Mausers purchased by Peru. As best as I can recall now, there were five "improved" versions which progressively appeared during the course of the production run for Argentina.
The Modelo 1891 was subject to alteration from 1912 after the new Modelo 1909 had entered service in 1910. The M1909 was chambered for an improved version of the 7.65x53mm using a spitzer bullet at higher velocity. Many, but not all rifles and carbines received a new "Lange" type rear sight calibrated for this cartridge.
In 1909 a new rifle based on the German Gewehr 1898 Mauser but with some differences was adopted to supplement the Modelo 1891. It was produced by Mauser and marked as an "Original Mauser". Both rifles and some carbines were purchased. Among the differences from the Gewehr 98 are the long cocking piece and the small barrel shank of the M1891 pattern (this is because Peru specified that barrels be interchangeable with the small diameter receiver ring of the Modelo 1891 Mauser and the standard large ring diameter of the Modelo 1909. These rifles were designed to fire the new, improved spitzer bullet in the 7.65x53mm case.
These rifles were beautifully finished but are rarely found in original condition. In the 1930's, about 1935, Peru purchased a small number of new rifles from the Mauser in Oberndorf/A.N., made exactly as the originals and so marked. These were used by ceremonial troops in Lima at the Presidental Palace up to the late 1950's and were well cared for, retaining all matching numbers. There exists an unknown quantity of Modelo 1909 rifles which differ from the common type which is well known to North American collectors. This variation may be a special type purchased for rifle marksmanship shooting competition or may be the very earliest production production model. The highest serial number known is 150. Among the features of these rifles which set them apart are a special tangent type rear sight which has a fine adjustment mechanism for elevation (unlike the Lange type rear sight found on the standard M1909) and a handguard extending from the the receiver to beyond the lower band. See the photo for a comparison of these variants.
In the late 1920's Peru needed to replace worn out and obsolete rifles in military and police service. In 1919 Peru had purchased replacement barrels in Belgium for its M1891 and M1909 rifles and was rebuilding them, but with use the condition of a number of rifles in service declined. The carbine version of the M1909 was used by the Peruvian Navy in 7.65. In the post 1960 period some of these carbines were presented to high ranking officers as a retirement gift in a special display box. Officers could buy a sporterized version with the original barrel rechambered to 7.62x51mm.
In 1930 several hundred Czech Vz24 Mauser short rifles in 7.65x53mm were purchased from the Brno rifle works in Moravia. This was followed a few years later by the Modelo 1932 short rifle and carbine from the same source. The Modelo 1932 is a very special rifle. This Mauser uses the special small ring Model 98 pattern action as the Czech Treasury Police VZ33 Carbine and the German issued G33/40 Carbine employed by the Mountain Troops of the Wehrmact. It uses an upper band of a pattern designed to utilize the bayonet for the Modelo 1891. It is believed that Czech bayonets were made for this rifle, but it may be that the 5000 thousand rifles were destined for some police unit organization that was armed with the Modelo 1891 and had spare bayonets of this pattern on hand. This is specualation. Perhaps some reader has information on this subject?
F.N. of Herstal Belgium supplied a rare variation of their M24/30 carbine in 7.65x53mm sometime in the 1930's. I have only examined one and that was about 45 years ago. It has Crest of Peru, 17.5" barrel, and upper band consists of a standard F.N M24/30 horizontal "H pattern fitting" applied directly to the forend wood with no metal cup under it, no bayonet lug, and secured by a transverse pin as in the first Mauser Standard Modell of 1924 rifles and carbines. I don't know what the correct Peruvian designation is for this carbine. There are also Army issued FN Mauser carbines of a different pattern but I have no information on details. Police issued Mauser carbines were replaced by the U.S. .30 M1 Carbine.
The next Mauser rifle to be adopted was the F.N. produced Modelo 1935. This rifle, in 7.65x53mm, introduced the reversed wing safety. To place on safe you must rotate it to your left, the exact opposite of all other Mauser military rifles and carbines known to me. This was done to facilitate a style of marksmanship popular in the 1930's international and Pan-American military rifle matches in which the shooter moves his face far forward on the rifle stock to take his sight picture. It was told to me that a prominent shooting champion of this period was a Peruvian officer of high rank and he influenced this change, as when one assumed this shooting position it was possible to be struck by the normal safety in recoil after firing. Purchases of this model continued until 1939 and some may have been purchased in the late 1940's.
By the early 1950's Peru received .30 M1903 American Springfield Rifles (Navy or Armada) and .30 M1 Garand Rifles (Army). These rifles used the U.S. .30-06 cartridge. It was decided to convert many worn Mausers to use this cartridge. Some of the Modelo 1935 rifles were fitted with new barrels and other necessary parts and given a dull phosphate finish. The receiver bridge was stamped .30 and the rear center of the receiver was notched while the magazine was altered to accept the longer .30-06 cartridge (7.62x63mm in metric designation). Some of the M1909 Mausers were also converted to this cartridge but this action was not as well suited to the change. FN Modelo 1935 used by the army were rechambered to 7.62x51 beginning in 1959 or 1960. They are currently stored, some being used to arm soldiers in parades and other ceremonial events. Some are also used in the shooting matches of the National rifle shooting associaton but remain the property of the Peruvian Army and cannot be removed from the army shooting ranges.
Peru used various accessories for its Mausers such as bayonets, slings, sight guard/muzzle caps, and an unusal bolt tool used to facilitate take down of this assembly.
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