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01 September 2005, 01:03
CollinsRaking Muck (what's best)
I'm a big fan of the "Black rifles" and was wondering who likes what and why?
I'll start. I've shot most of them and currently own a couple different flavors, but the one I liked the best was a Valmet (AK varient) in 7.62 x 39. It shoots very well, never jams, and the bullet impacts where you look. Of course it's the easiest thing to take down that I've ever used.
The AR is the 350 Chevy of guns. Everything is available for this rifle and the competition keeps high quality parts cheap. Ammo is cheap to buy and cheap to reload from plinking to 600yd target. it's a tool!
my $0.02
01 September 2005, 06:44
baboonI started out with a bicentenial mini 14, followed by a Saco imported H&K 91,sold my High Standard A-10(Black Shotgun),Steyr AUG,H&K SP-89.If I had the money at the time I would have grabbed up the Sig rifles.Glad to see the Beta mags available.
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04 September 2005, 21:44
Rick 0311Could someone explain what "Black" rifles and Shotguns are?
05 September 2005, 23:48
baboonquote:
Originally posted by Rick 0311:
Could someone explain what "Black" rifles and Shotguns are?
They are the most evil of all guns!Semi auto so-called assault weapons and full auto weapons.Black guns from the heavy use of black plastic and various black metal treatments.
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.
06 September 2005, 02:47
Rick 0311Okay...
16 September 2005, 08:59
bluepumaI have always heard the term 'Black Rifle' attached to the m-16, mp5, basically any matte finished mil style rifle...I think it comes from the old timers who were used to polished blue with walnut stocks (ala garand, m-1 carbine, m-14 etc, thompson) and were taken aback by these far from asthetically pleasing people poopers.
Black rifles don't have anything to do with race or ethnicity.
Personally, the only so called 'black rifle' that excites me is the FN P90, and it is mostly plastic!
17 September 2005, 05:55
ASS_CLOWNM1918A2
17 September 2005, 07:48
Collinsquote:
Originally posted by Rick 0311:
Could someone explain what "Black" rifles and Shotguns are?
Tis true.
Ar-15 / M-16 = All Black
HK 91 / 93 = All Black
SPAS 12 = All Black
FN (series) = All Black
Current USMC Benelli = All Black
Galil = All Black
Black Rifles. MMmmmmmmmmmm
17 September 2005, 07:50
Collinsquote:
Originally posted by ASS_CLOWN:
M1918A2
I had to google it! Ya freakin' old timer you...
As the marketing types would say... Priceless.
17 September 2005, 18:53
ASS_CLOWNCollins,
After the M1918A2 I favor:
Bren MkII or MkIV (really just a barrel swap)
M14
FAL
G3 / HK91
BTW, the Franchi SPAS 12 is a real ass ache to load, manipulate. Have you ever used one? They do look "cool", but for a combat shotgun it is an over complicated, difficult to operate POS, IMHO. The Benelli combat shotguns are beau coupe superior weapons platforms!
ASS_CLOWN
21 September 2005, 05:33
CollinsScrew you hippy
The terminator used a SPAS!!! (I think)
Not a Benelli
21 September 2005, 07:06
tiggertatequote:
Originally posted by Rick 0311:
Could someone explain what "Black" rifles and Shotguns are?
Civilian tactical weapons. Most SWAT teams and the like are multi-colored units as long as the color is black. Uniforms, weapons, sometimes vehicles; all tend to be black in color so now it has become shorthand for para-military gear.
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22 September 2005, 23:24
redialI think Ah-nold used an old Winchester 10ga lever gun, a 1901 (guess) in T2.
Redial
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