Can some one tell me what I have here. Picked it up for a dozen beer. Rifling dosnt look worn at all. Managaged to shoot a beer can twice a 50m standing, so it must work.

The only markings on it are MK04652, 1952 and the number 11 in a circle.

The rounds are stamped 7.62 x 54R. Thats the easy part. Barrel is about 450mm long.


Also, found this web site...
Mosin-Nagant Sporter
Is what I have, one of these?

[ 11-12-2003, 23:29: Message edited by: millsie67 ]

Looks like a M-N someone sporterized.
Not a bad rifle for tough duty when you don't want to get your Rigby or Holland and Holland dirty.
Round is reasonably powerful and M-N rifles are generally well made and reasonably accurate.

How can I tell if its a Finnish, Russian, Polish...from mars? and would the bore be .308 or .311?

Look at http://www.mosin-nagant.net/ , if there is something in cyrilic, it could be russian one, but seen finish one with cyrilic too (just curious). Search web and you will find manufacturer. I belive all except finish was .311 bores . . .I have one hungarian made M44 1953 dated . . . 7.62x54R is like .308 win, maybe little stronger, but not as strong as .30-06 . . . Hunting ammunition is made by S&B (with .311 bullets) and others.

Good shooting, Jiri

its a polish m44 thats been sporterized.damn shame,the polish ones are the nicest ones imho.good deer gun though.

Brother Burke told you right (although I like the Hungarian 44's the best!!)...you have a Bubba-ized Polish model 44. If you are shooting mil-surp ammo, for goodness sake, clean the barrel promptly after shooting or that nice rifling will be runined in short order. Everybody has the magic fix for corrosive priming, but for me, I clean it like a blackpowder gun...use plenty of hot water to flush the bore and then dry and clean as normal. Never had a bit of problem doing this.

It may of may not be bubbaized. I have a Polish .22 trainer, marked exactly the same (the 11 means produced at Radom) with exactly the same stock configuration. The 7.62x54R is an accurate cartridge, though a bit strange by modern standards for having a rim (good extraction!). Most all surplus ammo will be corrosively primed, so act accordingly. If you jhandload, first slug the barrel, most of these seem to run about .311" ofr so. .308 bullets often don't provide good accuracy and .312" bullets for the Enfield may work better. Something you need to Czech out.

Good Luck!

Doesn't look bubba-ized to me... just in really nice condition.

I have one that came in a cruddy stock, so I put it in one of the black tupperware stocks.

Mine does 4" groups at 100, off a benchrest. That seems to be pretty typical. The Finnish Mosins are generally quite a bit more accurate.

For sure, slug the bore. I have an M38 in beautiful condition that slugs .316", which makes it useless for anything but decoration. Most will be found in the .311" region. Newer Finns run .310". If it slugs .308", or .309", it is your lucky day--you can load with standard 30 cal bullets.

One of my favorite loads is S&B brass, 50 grains Varget, 150 grain Hornady .3105" bullet, 2.880" COL, CCI primer, 2696 fps. That load is OK in my particular rifles. Your results will probably be a little different.

Also, if the receiver number, bolt number, and floorplate number all match, it's quite collectable, especially if you got the bayonet with it. At any rate, it is an ideal "back of the pickup seat" utility rifle. For what you paid, you did very well.

I bid 24 beers!

I have many Mosints also love the cal. My Mod 39 which i used the most slugs out at 310.5 have won many matches and tropys with this rifle enjoy ur new rifle----Mag801