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Why not leave the rifle on your shoulder and cycle it there?!!!  Is there some reason for lowering it to the thigh to cycle?  | |||
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It reminds me of the days (wish I could go back) that I would put my lever action bb gun on my leg like that to cock it. It would be interesting to see the result of him doing that in a buff charge. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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This guy is even a worse example!  Notice how he reaches over to cycle the weapon with his supporting hand? (Maybe he saw this done by the sniper in 'Saving Private Ryan') Notice also how he lets his sling swing back and forth? (that does wonders for accuracy!) But the MUSIC is very dramatic!  | |||
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This kid with the M44 uses a "fair" sling technique. But he slings and unslings after every shot at first! WHY?!!! He has a sticky bolt. But he continues to use the lower the butt of the rifle during cocking and ejecting. If the bolt is sticking, the initial opening of the bolt should be more forceful (the operation that cocks and performs initial extraction). The next guy with the 98 Mauser does the same thing! He does OK for a while then bobbles on the cycling. 'Palm-Up' (cocking/initial extraction/ejecting) and 'Palm-Down' (chambering/locking) works SO much better with a bolt gun! PS - I'm not knocking these kids. But they are reinforcing bad habits. | |||
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Mo-Nags have a short bolt handle that is not easily operated from the shoulder. Shooting a Mo-Nag is hardly a beauty or a speed contest. BTW if you are really good with a bolt gun you can flip the bolt back and catch the empty case in the air without looking. It is even better when you can eject the brass right back into the empty box so you don't have to pick it up. | |||
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ireload2 - Now you are going to make me feel inferior . and drive me nuts. How big a box can I have to catch; em? I have been trying for a year now to catch two double rifle cases in the air. About a 10 percent catch rate in the last two weeks. Until a couple weeks ago 0 percent. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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Bolts is bolts! Even a sticky bolt MN can be operated leaving the butt on the shoulder. Palm up when opening the bolt.
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If you like beating the crap out of them. Take look at the extraction cam of a rifle that has been operated like that. | |||
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Allen you are good. The rifle I have done that with the most is a 788 Remington in .30/30. The cases flip up to a spot immediately adjacent to my shoulder. The arm motion is perfectly natural looking or not. Most people never try it. The first time I did it was unintentional, I was just trying to avoid getting the case in the dirt. I have never fired a double rifle but I am sure you could learn to do that if the ejectors are properly timed. I have fired OU shotguns that would permit that I just caught them right above the breech. As far as the box goes start out with a pickup bed and work down.  | |||
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The wear and tear caused to the area were the bolt meets the camming surface (or extraction cam as you call it)...... stictly depends on how much force is required to extract the fired case. A sticky case increases the amount of camming force (and wear on the surfaces) required to extract the case. There is NO difference in wear to the camming surfaces between the tactically proven "palms up on opening bolt" and the "forefinger, thumb" method. I think using the forefinger/thumb method is wrong and a bad habit to get into. When operating a weapon quickly, it's important to cut down on the "fine motor skill" movements (which the forefinger thumb method requires). In the one clip above you'll notice the guy bobble the cycling of the Mauser 98. That wouldn't have happened if he would have been using the correct palm-up on opening method. PS - Another correction I spotted on the kid shooting the M98. When using the 5 round stripper, it's a waste of time (and an added operation) pulling the stripper from the receiver. The forward motion of closing the bolt kicks out the stripper. I know....... picky, picky, picky. But I think you should learn to shoot a firearm as if your life depended on it. | |||
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I shoot only for fun. | |||
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Not necessarily. Try cycling a commercial Mannlicher/Schoenauer without taking it off your shoulder! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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I'd be more concerned with the finger on the trigger when re-shouldering the rifle than the manipulation of bolt. Perhaps daman will make a video and show us how its done EH | |||
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Ah! You've used a bolt action in competition or military/civilian service, Cool?!! | |||
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Seems to me, that the British army developed a radid fire bolt manipulation technique for the SMLE, at one time. Any comments? Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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Hmmmm! I bet it would be the same technique used by bolt action High Power competitors and the US military! | |||
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The Junior NRA instructors at Fort Lee, VA. taught us to keep our fingers off the trigger until we acquired our sight picture. They also taught us to keep our position after breaking the shot. Just one of the many benefits of being a service brat.  My Dad taught me and my siblings how to shoot when we turned 5 years-old, so much of the Jr. NRA program was just reinforcing what we had previously been taught. | |||
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Someone who knows how to use a MAS 36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbXRpV09-ew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxi417zOHKQ&mode=related&search=  | |||
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Neck up, or down? Cheers, Dave. Aut Inveniam Viam aut Faciam. | |||
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My buddy got a hot case down his neck from a HK G3. A perfect 'brand' that would make any American cattleman proud! You could even make out the fluting marks on the case! | |||
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