If you meet the requirements and dont mind waiting a month or so then get it thru CMP,all Ive seen are good serviceable rifles that have been checked out by the Gov.armourers. You can get better grades if you wish to pay more and wait longer but the current issue service rifles are Ex-Danish returns of USA mfd.:::::MV
I won mine off an auction(GunBroker.com)it is an IH model built for the Garand matches.It has a TE of 2,which is pretty damn good,I wouldn't buy one above a three,but that's just my opinion.I also wouldn't buy one with a CIA receiver,but that's because I like the history,and want it to be correct.And make sure when you get one,you don't shoot off the shelf 30-06,most of it is too hot.
I agree with Multi. I would do it through the CMP. I'm going to buy my second one there. My first I had built fromn a Springfield receiver and a kit I ordered from "Shotgun News" I put a Boyd's stock on it which is better than average as far as figure and had it black parkerized. Obviously it is not a collector but is nice and a great shooter. I saw one about three years ago that someone had painted with camo paint, price $200. The person ahead of me bought it or I would have. Guess it's just a matter of keeping your eyes open. For example I'm going to Houston this weekend. I'll stay off the interstate and use a hiway that goes through every little town and I'll stop in ever gun shop I see and look around. Good luck on your acquisition efforts.
Posts: 915 | Location: Breckenridge, TX, USA | Registered: 24 November 2001
Thanks for the great replies!....All I need is veification on the 50 shot requirement from my gun club. Just wanted to know if the CMP"s are worth the $500.00 they are asking now. I would want it to be a good shooter, and not have to replace a lot of parts in order to make it one. I know you get what you get, but are they worth it?
Posts: 24 | Location: indiana | Registered: 04 November 2003
IMHO they are very much worth the price,most of the rifles I see at gun shops and gun shows cannot be had for that price and yes they are good shooters. There are alot of M-1s out there that came from S.Korea and are plain crap and I dont think they would even fuction for a full clip and there are also rewelds of de-milled actions which will come apart sooner or later.Like I said before with a CMP rifle you know what you are getting as they all have been checked over by the gov.amourer and I havent seen a bad one yet. Springfield Arms sells new mfd. M-1s if you want to spend the $:::::::MV
quote:Originally posted by powderman 2: DUCK223. Do you mean that factory 06 loads may not be safe in these rifles? Is it the pressure you are referring to? POWDERMAN 2
The peak pressure isn't higher, but the peak pressure of commercial ammunition is designed to occur much later after charge ignition.
What this does to the M1 is eventually bend or break the operating rod. This happens because the M1's gas port is almost at the muzzle. The fast burning powder of the M2 ball cartridge causes barrel pressure to fall quite rapidly, so by the time the bullet uncovers the gas port, pressure is down to what the M1 was designed to function.
A slower burning powder (as virtually all commercial 30-06 uses) takes longer to reach peak pressure. By the time the bullet uncovers the gas port, pressure is still over the Garand's design limit.
The few autoloaders designed for hunting were designed with this in mind, and can stand the longer duration pressure curves of commercial ammo.
BTW, the muzzle velocity of the M2 ball cartridge is 2700 fps. Virtually all commercial 30-06 loadings achieve 2900 fps with ease with 150 grain bullets.
Commerical 30-06 ammo loaded with 180 grain and heavier bullets is even more harmful to Garands, for the same reason: even slower burning powders needed to propel the heavier bullets.
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
Yes they're worth every penny,,I'm glad I got mine when I did.I paid $310.00 delivered to the post office.The clerk there is a gun buff,He asked me to check for "shipping damage" before I left the office .
Posts: 2119 | Location: woodbine,md,U.S.A | Registered: 14 January 2002
quote:Originally posted by powderman 2: ORION1. Thank you Sir, I've learned something today. POWDERMAN 2
You're welcome.
There are only two ammo choices for the M1: 1) surplus M2 ball (currently available of US, Greek, Korean, and Danish manufacture), or 2) reloads that perfomr just like M2.
Garands rule.
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
ORION 1 Very Informative! So, when I finally get my M1, which I hope to get from CMP, AND, I will also handload my own ammo as I do with all my guns, one should keep the the fps to 2700? (Can't wait, but I quess I'll have to!)
Posts: 24 | Location: indiana | Registered: 04 November 2003
While I don't have a CMP Garand, I have heard good things about them. I always look at ones when I see them at gun shows and stores, and I have seen some pretty sorry examples offered from $900 and up. The Garand I do have was given to me by my father on my 18th birthday. He was in the Navy in the 1950s, and since the M14 was being phased in, Garands were for sale to service members for the proverbial song. He bought a less than 1 million serial number Springfield Armory version in awesome condition for $25 if memory serves. I used to shoot it with the same loads I used in my 1903a3, but stopped after reading that such a practice is not a good idea. I do not shoot it anymore, but plan to get a CMP Garand as a regular shooter. If one is a veteran, a copy of DD form 214 negates the match shooting requirement. Check out this web site...
quote:Originally posted by reload9mm: ORION 1 Very Informative! So, when I finally get my M1, which I hope to get from CMP, AND, I will also handload my own ammo as I do with all my guns, one should keep the the fps to 2700? (Can't wait, but I quess I'll have to!)
That's a good start, but keep to powders that aproximate the burn rate of military M2 ball powder.
IMR 4895 and 4064, Hodgdon 4895, and Winchester W748 are all excellent.
Most of the big name reloading manuals have loads tailored to Garands.
I don't reloade rifle ammo yet, so I stick to surplus M2 of American and Korean manifacture.
When buying Korean M2, one must keep in mind that ammo headstamped KA has corrosive primers, while that headstamped PS does not. No biggie, just clean the bore and gas cylinder with a mild ammonia solution and flush with water immediately after shooting, then clean everything with powder and/or copper solvent when you get home.
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
NOT BAD STEVE!!! I got all my paper work together, and will be sending an order to the CMP on Monday. Was that fine shooting from an M1? I will be reloading the 30-06 for the M1 too, so thanks for the info on the loads....any more?
Posts: 24 | Location: indiana | Registered: 04 November 2003
quote:Originally posted by Orion 1: I have a target just like Steve's. 8 rounds in the ten, and about half of them in the X ring, with Korean M2 ball, PS 72 headstamp.
Orion 1: Might you be known as "Joe the butcher" on another forum?
Posts: 1985 | Location: The Three Lower Counties (Delaware USA) | Registered: 13 September 2001
If you can find some of the Danish surplus 30.06 which comes in bandoleers and already on garand clips, it is quite accurate, both in the M1 and 03 series rifles.
Posts: 324 | Location: Fairbanks Alaska USA | Registered: 10 June 2000
quote:Originally posted by Orion 1: I have a target just like Steve's. 8 rounds in the ten, and about half of them in the X ring, with Korean M2 ball, PS 72 headstamp.
I had trouble with fliers using my Korean ammo. Sound like same lot as yours. 8 out of 10 were in the middle, then a five or six. I can shoot, it wasn't me. I would say the Korean stuff brought my scores down 10 points in each 100 point section. Mid 90s to mid 80s. Any others nottice this??
Posts: 813 | Location: Left Coast | Registered: 02 November 2000
My .02 worth... -Buy the M1 from the CMP -Buy "Cartridges of the World" by F.C. Barnes -Buy "The U.S. .30 Caliber Gas Operated Service Rifles" by J. Kuhnhausen
Posts: 594 | Location: MT. | Registered: 05 June 2003
Hello I was just at Camp Perry week before last.They had plenty of M1's in good shape there for a very fair price.Also quite a few 1903's and 1903-A3's,that were also in good to excellent shape. In their catalog they said they would be getting a shipment of 30-06 surplus ammo in in the near future. There were four of us that went and we all bought,513 remingtons,Model 82 goverment kimbers, and 1903-A3's.The kimber are a great buy IMHO muskrat live to shoot-shoot to live!!!
Posts: 287 | Location: central ohio | Registered: 05 January 2003
10-4 MUSKRAT...I sent My order to the CMP 2 weeks ago, and they confirmed delivery (of order)....they said 3 weeks to process.....Maybe I'll get it before Christmas? Who knows? I only live 2.5 hours from Camp Perry, should have gone there this weekend...........Oh well, just have to wait I guess.....Thanks for all the info guys!
Posts: 24 | Location: indiana | Registered: 04 November 2003
I got my M-1 about 4 years ago, it was a late model harrington and richardson, and according to the serial number was made in 1956, i think the last year of production. got it from the cmp, wouldnt take for it. great wood, barrel, all in all a very nice rig. best $310.00 i ever spent.
good luck and good shooting,
eterry
Posts: 849 | Location: Between Doan's Crossing and Red River Station | Registered: 22 July 2001
quote:Originally posted by Orion 1: I have a target just like Steve's. 8 rounds in the ten, and about half of them in the X ring, with Korean M2 ball, PS 72 headstamp.
Orion 1: Might you be known as "Joe the butcher" on another forum?
Negative, Sir.
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
quote:Originally posted by Eterry: I got my M-1 about 4 years ago, it was a late model harrington and richardson, and according to the serial number was made in 1956, i think the last year of production. got it from the cmp, wouldnt take for it. great wood, barrel, all in all a very nice rig. best $310.00 i ever spent.
good luck and good shooting,
eterry
That's pretty much what I got from CMP as well. H&R with a serial in the 5.72 million range.
Only mine cost $230 more
Posts: 2206 | Location: USA | Registered: 31 August 2002
I'll have to dig my CMP M1 out and see who made it. It is a Springfield IIRC. $500 now?!?!? I was bummed back when I spent $210 on mine! (They had just gone up before I finally ordered.)
Posts: 3114 | Location: Southern US | Registered: 21 July 2002
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