Like the kind we see on the news in Iraq. I understand that they can stop and AK bullet at point blank range.

And how much do they cost?

They suck. They'll choke you if you have to lean forward. Hard to use issue flashlight as a "rifle stop" when it's over my shoulder on a sling.

they wouldnt stop a direct hit from an ak at 100 yds much less point blank, but if your dead set on one, you might look for a PSAGT vest for sale.

The legal profession must be more dangerous than I thought!

Naw, I am just worried about cops pulling me over.

500 grains, from what I have been told by my son who has been shot at by the AK-47, every round is armor piercing, they all have a "dart" on the inside of them. The dart looks like a pencil lead sized rod about 1/2 inch long, and they are hardened. I know this because he carries one of the darts around in his wallet. Something he "picked up" in Afghanistan. So even the military vests won't stop these rounds at point blank ranges. I would doubt that the police vests would either, unless you got the plates and everything else to enhance them. Then who would want to wear that all the time, unless you had to.

Rock, that's a great link.

Mike, thanks for the explanation. I wonder how our military vests did in the field against the Iraqi AK's.

I have no familiarity at all with the vests now being isssued, but when I was in the Army, none of the flak vests would stop a military RIFLE bullet. They did stop pistol rounds and shrapnel from shells, however, and such shell fragments were the main cause of casualties at that time.

[ 04-23-2003, 02:44: Message edited by: eldeguello ]

500,

There are companies that make body armor, complete with ceramic inserts for high velocity rifle rounds, in the PASGT style.

here is a current issue model for sale . . .

http://www1.inetba.com/4starmilitarysurplus//item339023.ctlg

or you might check here . . .

http://www.caddin.com/our-military.htm

Regards,

JohnTheGreek

Just remember anybody with a wits worth of training is going to go 2 to the Chest and then 1 to the head.

Without the plates, there is nothing "bulletproof" about the new vest. As was mentioned above, they are for stopping shrapnel, not bullets. With the plates in, obviously they are much heavier and not as fun to wear. Regardless of LDO's experience, I gave up my "old style" vest in a HEARTBEAT to get a new style as soon as they came in. Much better product...

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"Just remember anybody with a wits worth of training is going to go 2 to the Chest and then 1 to the head."

Well... that's a nice theory anyway...

Cold Bore,

I do not want to distract from your marksmanship ability or anyone else's, but reports from the field tend to indicate that most people, including police, military and ordinary citizens, have a tough time hitting anything in the heat of a gunfight. I have heard of whole clips being emptied at 20 feet without a round hitting what it was supposed to.

I am curious about how many of the 3rd shot headshots attempted by officers actually hit the head.

TO BAD AN FN 5.7 ROUND OUT OF A PISTOL WILL SAIL THREW ALL OF THE KEVLAR VESTS.

too bad you cant get a 5.7 legaly