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The March 1986 American Rifleman has an article titled Reloading For The M1 Rifle by John R Clarke that I kept and encouraged all of the shooters we qualified for garand purchases to buy the magazine and keep it.The article indicated a service grade garand could shoot 1,2 or 3 minutes of angle using the load data,my garand had groups of 2+ inches good enough to use for hunting which I did after one of the men in our club used his garand to shoot a CO mule deer buck.The article covers Sierra MatchKing HPBT bullets from 150gr to 200gr .The data works fine in my 30-06 Sako Finnbear.If anyone wants a copy of the article send me your email address. | ||
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I've found in my M1's that 48.0-48.5 IMR 4064 48.0-49.0 BlC-2 and 48.5-49.5 of IMR 4895 Will produce sub MOA nearly every time on old beater service grade Non reworked M1's . With re worked it's any ones guess . I've got an Old Greek CMP that shoots .75" on a regular basis . I've got a re-arsenalized Springfield from DCM era that punches .625" or under more times than not . I've also got a Complete SA unfired all matching Non issued and it's going to stay that way . Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...  | |||
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Dr. K, You have a VERY, VERY, rare Garand there to say the least. I would definitely keep it in a safe place away from prying eyes. Value is quite high as I am sure you would know. | |||
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My GS held a lifetime master in highpower rifle so he contacted DCM,sent his info and $90 and was mailed a brand new complete unissued NM M1 Garand.A customer offered him $795 left & in 15 minutes made another offer for $995.He asked me about it and I told him his customer was way off on the price.Ellis kept it and left it to his SIL. | |||
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The days of an unissued, unfired, National Match Garand for hundreds are long over. Check out www.odcmp.com or yet better still, give them a call and inquire about one. Might find one on the auction site, but you could buy a decent used car for the same money. They are pretty much a thing of the past and especially in the true National Match configuration. | |||
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I recently received an M1 Garand from CMP and it's a beauty! Serial number puts it post WW2 production but that's fine with me as it doesn't need a thing. I've shown it to a few of my 'gun nut' buddies and they are sooooo.. jealous. | |||
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Dr K Would you share with us the make and weight of the bullet you are using?? Kudude | |||
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I did private message you on this didn't I ?. As I didn't go back and check this post . Sorry about that !. Lackadaisical day dreaming is the only excuse I have to offer . As for the rest of you 168 & 180 grain did better than 150's in my weapons . Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ... | |||
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The current issue of HANDLOADER magazine has an article on loading for the 30-06 battle rifles. For the Garand the author favored mid-speed powders 4895, 4064 and Varget with Varget his favorite. | |||
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I have been loading for an older friend who competes in Matches with his Garand.. We started loading 50 grains of AA 4064 and 168 grain Match Noslers and he has been cleaning up.... Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dr.K: I've found in my M1's that 48.0-48.5 IMR 4064 48.0-49.0 BlC-2 and 48.5-49.5 of IMR 4895 Will produce sub MOA nearly every time on old beater service grade Non reworked M1's . With re-worked it's any one's guess. I've got an Old Greek CMP that shoots .75" on a regular basis . I've got a re-arsenalized Springfield from DCM era that punches .625" or under more times than not .[QUOTE] I find this amazing as official NM specs were established in 1956 for Springfield Arsenal, when the Garand was THE Perry match gun, (having finally pretty much replaced the Springfield '03 there). Those NM specs called for full-blown, officially accepted NM Garands to be made capable of 3.5" groups at 100 yards. As mentioned at the start of this thread there is a very good article by John Clarke in the March/April 1986 issue of Rifle delineating how to accurize Garands to shoot dependably down to as low as sub 2.0 MOA by using a good many AAMU techniques. Believe me, that process was not simple, and required a lot of bedding work and gauging/replacing (when out of spec) of both the barrel and many other parts of the gun. Clearly to me, your reported mileage varies considerably from that of many of us old-time Garand shooters who shot it in competition. | |||
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+1 My M1's only shoot like that with one shot groups.  | |||
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Tough crowd. Why is it so hard to believe? NM and sniper rifles had to shoot a 10 round group to a small number that I don't know for sure so I won't say it. My M1a NM will put a group of 5 in a half inch or smaller hole at 100 yards with a 32 power jap Tasco. IMR 4895 and 4064 both will do it. 168 grain sierra HPBT. I find 4895 a little better. It is possible to get a production M1 that had all the right dimensions to shoot that clean. It would be a rare find indeed. Treasure that rifle! | |||
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Not sure what the mean group size requirement from a match conditioned M1 was, but 3.5 min was adequate to clean the old 5V target. Bullets are better today, among other factors so now we have the tougher 10X target. A 2 min gun will shoot possibles there. With the scores that highpower shooters are shooting these days I would imagine the target may get tougher yet in the years to come. Like Alberta Canuck said, it takes a LOT of skill and equipment to get an M1 to shoot inside of 1.5 minutes and frequent tuneups to keep it there. The M14 is a product-improved Garand. (hope I'm not starting a brush fire here...) It is somewhat easier to make it shoot but it still requires mucho upkeep to keep it in top form. I have yet to see a rack grade M1, even shooting 168's and glass bedded, shoot better than 3.5 minutes consistently with a GI barrel. I have seen a few rare cases when a rack gun shooting M2 ball would shoot damnn good, 2.5 to 3 minutes, at 200 yards on the MR52 target (200/600 reduced), but I think the planets just lined up right at that point in time. Any which way you cut it, shooting, and arguing about shooting, sure beats working any day.  Kendog | |||
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My Kreiger barreled M1 will do the 3/4" group until I have a flier! Usually it is rd 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 or 8 that causes it, but it mostly does have a flier. I have 2 sub .75 5 shot groups out of at least several tries! | |||
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Does anyone have a .308 load for RL 15 and 150 Sierra Game King for a Garand? I'm interested in a 100 yard match load and looking for a good starting point. I recently started shooting again and am suprised by the higher ammo prices. A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work. | |||
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I would look in the load book for a 2500 - 2700 fps load with RL-15 and go from there | |||
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