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Couple of points: Edmond posts up alot of pics of the French in Indochine using a wide variety of weapons from various countries, then I watched a History Channel show called "Child Warriors" or something like that, virtually plethora of weapons and types, and finally, we had a long runningthread with the weapons types used in the Spanish Civil War. So, having said all that, i went searching through the internet and found someinteresting photos I'll share and look forward to your comments.  Looks like everyone loved the US GI carbine!  Did the French use these as German weapons, did the Germans use the French weapon or did everybody - including the Brits - just use the Czech weapons or a version there of? Impossible to tell from the photo, I think.  And once again, the ubquious GI carbine.  Could that be a French machine gun in German hands? Or is he a French member of the SS?  Russian PPsH perhaps?  Another view with the Russkie burpgun?  And this sure does not look like a Kar 98, eh?  French Troops with Thompson M28's as witnessed by the position of the bolt handle on top the receiver. The French had an excuse for using other countries weapons, as a defeated, conquered nation they were dependent upon someone to supply them with arms and used whatever they could get.  Captured German troops, French armed wtih Thompson and Sten gun.  1903 Springfield?  Even a Panzerfaust???  The captions says, "Arming civilians."  Another Springfield 03.  Free French troops with 1903 Springfield, 1917 Enfield and US GI helmets. And so, enough for now. I find this to be a very interesting topic. I guess we can say old weapons never die - unless they are in the handsof the French and the politicians decide they have to be deep-sixed like the GI carbines- what was it , 14,000 of them???? pushed off into the ocean? Lord, give me patience 'cuz if you give me strength I'll need bail money!! 'TrapperP' | ||
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I overlooked this very interesting thread..
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Ed: Truly amazing subject! And thanks for the input and data. I posted earlier - I think - about the History Channel program re "Child Soldiers" and while they were in fact clips from all over the world I have never seen such a vast array of weapons, all types, all sorts. I think more even than we had posted in the thread about the Spanish Civil War. Lord, give me patience 'cuz if you give me strength I'll need bail money!! 'TrapperP' | |||
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Just a thought, Are the photos actual battlefield photos or are some of them from movies where the producer or person in charge of props just might not be too worried in historical accuracy? They do look like battlefield photos though! Interesting | |||
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ECPAD formerly ECPA is the French Armed Forces service in charge of war reporting, these are not movie pictures. http://www.ecpad.fr/ | |||
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The Germans in fact used a great deal of captured materiel of war. They had quite a few nations armies equipment to choose from! There is a quite well know film clip of Volksgrenadiers assembled to defend Berlin in 1945 carrying Vickers and Lewis MGs. The Germans would add a bracket () after the designation of a capture item to indicate country of origin. Thus (r) Russia, (t) Czechoslovakia, (f) France and etc., etc. It wasn't just small arms. The tragedy of 1939 and May 1940 was that when Case Yellow the German attack on France and Flanders was lanched a very large number of the "German" tanks were...in fact...Czecholslovakian! Tanks that the Germans had acquired without a shot being fired thanks to the shameful betrayal of the Czechs by France and Britain at in 1938. German U-Boat crew wore captured British battledress blouses (tunics) and the famous goggles worn by Rommel were...captured British! Later the US Rangers in the Cotentin Peninsula in 1944 after D-Day were to encounter French battel tanks - captured in 1940 - being used against them. But the "allies" also did the same. The famous British 17pdr gun was just a knock-off of the German 75mm. As was the French post-war 75mm on the AMX. Indeed, I will rely on Edmond to correct this if wrong, the post-1945 French Army used the German Panther tank for a number of years after WWII? | |||
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Only a few dozens Panthers and a handful of Tigers in 1945. Not enough even to equip totally the 503 eme Regiment de Chars de Combat and lack of spare parts terminated their career. Anyway, the french cavalry was using american tanks and a few british. Here is a gold mine since you understand French http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_...w&id=1272&Itemid=102 | |||
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The ZB 26 is being used by a Nationalist Chinese soldier. The Nationalists also used a German style of helmet. Notice the uniform with leggings and the shoes? Not a Whermacht soldier. The fella with the cammo cover waving and yelling appears to be holding a Vollmer MPE. Produced last in 1938 it was probably last used by the SS as they usually got all the old weapons and the captured weapons. "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776 Lost once in the shuffle, member since 2000. | |||
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 Well done, Eric. | |||
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