if i wanted AR type rifle in 223 what would you suggest, olimpic has a lifetime warranty. looking to spend no more than 1200.00 thanks for advice. mike

Hello,
The so called lifetime warranty is somewhat of a mystery to me when offered for most mfg's will replace or repair a rifle if something actually fails to perform as expected. You can not run over the rifle w/ a truck and expect free repairs, but again, most quality mfg's will take care of their problems when they occur.
I have built several uppers and lowers for 15's for myself over the years and I personally like the Bushmaster products. Good people to deal with and top notch equipment/parts/etc.
If you are just wanting to have a practical shooter, your budget amount is more than enough to do that. Just a suggestion.
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check out JP arms. their top shelf stuff gets over 2000, but the regular variety is I believe in your pricerange, the quality is absolutely top grade.

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Originally posted by mike61:
if i wanted AR type rifle in 223 what would you suggest, olimpic has a lifetime warranty. looking to spend no more than 1200.00 thanks for advice. mike

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You didn't state what kind of configuration you're wanting? I would limit my choices to Bushmaster and ArmaLite for a factory rifle. Both have great warranties, great products, and outstanding customer service. In fact, Bushmaster's customer support seems to be a little better than most.

If you are on a budget consider buying the upper and lower separately.
You will save some money and can get what you want.
Buy a Bushmaster or Rock River lower.
Then get the upper of your choice.
I can highly recommend ADCO, but there are many good sources of uppers to be found on the Web.
The upper is not a gun so it ship just like a tea cozy from EBay.

What do you want your AR for exactly?
Makes a lot of difference as far as options.

If you want a complete rifle, ABCR Armalite.Bushmaster,Colt ,Rock River

Good luck
Covey16

Bushmaster....I have had 3 different ones and not one of them gave me any problems. Also the company is great to work with. I have never owned one, but have shot, Rock River and they were also very impressive. The nice thing about AR's is that you can buy a basic model and then as your needs, (and money!) dictate, you can modify that basic rifle into anything you want.

i want one because i dont have a 223 or a auto loader, i will shoot some woodchucks with it i found a good site with alot of ar shooters. thanks guys

I've owned/worked on Quality Parts (early Bushmaster), Olympic Arms, Colts, Eagle Arms, DPMS, and Armalite. Of them all I liked the Armalite best.

It was an early model "Predator" with an 18" long, 1.120 diameter barrel, flat top, 6x18 Redfield scope. Man, it was heavy, but it would make one ragged hole at 150 yards all day with factory loads.

I believe there are only two or three actual manufactures of receivers. Most sub-contract out that part and put their name on the receiver. I've never run into a bad receiver myself, but have had other sub-standard parts that had to be replaced.

I'd just recommend that you buy what you can afford from the middle range on up.

Regards,

Eric

another place to consider is rock river arms... But as others said, ABC is your best bet (armalite, bushmaster, colt)

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Originally posted by Nate:
another place to consider is rock river arms... But as others said, ABC is your best bet (armalite, bushmaster, colt)

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Colt should be the last choice. Overpriced, funky pin sizes, crummy factory support, etc. I would choose Bushmaster, ArmaLite, Eagle Arms (which is, more or less, ArmaLite), RRA, Essential Arms, ASA, Cav Arms, then Colt. The only AR15-type rifle that I would absolutely avoid is Hesse/Vulcan Arms.

I have had both Colts(early A2 h-bar) and an Olympic Arms AR. I prefered the OA but had no problems with either weapon. In the course of doing repairs for others. I found that the used H&R parts were of a superior quality. derf

I have an Ar15 based on an ASA lower which according to the experts is crap.
Still working fine after 5 years of hard use.
The dirty secret is it was really made by Lewis Machine Tool.
You'd be amazed whose lowers and uppers are made by LMT or CMT.

Colt LE rifles 6900 series have regular small pin receivers.
So does the 6400 as I remember.
All the military Colts are obviously small pin.

Hesse/Vulcan is about the only mfg with a solid reputation for crap and even those are defended by some.

Covey16

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Originally posted by covey16:
I have an Ar15 based on an ASA lower which according to the experts is crap.
Still working fine after 5 years of hard use.
The dirty secret is it was really made by Lewis Machine Tool.
You'd be amazed whose lowers and uppers are made by LMT or CMT.

Colt LE rifles 6900 series have regular small pin receivers.
So does the 6400 as I remember.
All the military Colts are obviously small pin.

Hesse/Vulcan is about the only mfg with a solid reputation for crap and even those are defended by some.

Covey16

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There's nothing wrong with any ASA product other than the owner (Bob) being a royal horse's ass. I had an AR15 built on an ASA lower, not a thing wrong with it. Looked good and went "bang" when it was supposed to, as well as accepted all standard AR lower parts.

Current Colt LE-marked rifles use large pins.

Dang Colt you need a scorecard to keep up.
Once upon a time....

The only thing I use from colt is their bolts these days.

My ASA(Lewis) is better finished than my Bushy.
Too bad Bob's daughter doesn't run the company.

I heard they were declairing bankruptcy.

Covey16

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Originally posted by covey16:
I have an Ar15 based on an ASA lower which according to the experts is crap.
Still working fine after 5 years of hard use.
The dirty secret is it was really made by Lewis Machine Tool.
You'd be amazed whose lowers and uppers are made by LMT or CMT.

Colt LE rifles 6900 series have regular small pin receivers.
So does the 6400 as I remember.
All the military Colts are obviously small pin.

Hesse/Vulcan is about the only mfg with a solid reputation for crap and even those are defended by some.

Covey16

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There's nothing wrong with any ASA product other than the owner (Bob) being a royal horse's ass. I had an AR15 built on an ASA lower, not a thing wrong with it. Looked good and went "bang" when it was supposed to, as well as accepted all standard AR lower parts.

Current Colt LE-marked rifles use large pins.

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Got to thinking about your post.
I was talking pivot pins.
Colt upper to say Bushmaster lower.
You're talking about fire control group pins.

I think we're both right.

Covey16

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Originally posted by covey16:
Got to thinking about your post.
I was talking pivot pins.
Colt upper to say Bushmaster lower.
You're talking about fire control group pins.

I think we're both right.

Covey16

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Yes, I'm talking about fire control pins. Colt finally abandoned the large pivot pin several years ago.

Rock River is pretty hard to beat. I think the last price I remember seeing for the match grade was $1200. You'll be a little over with tax and such. I would highly recommend them.

I spent alot of time trying to make up my mind last year.Went with the bushmaster,hvy barrel,A3, in camo.Think it wa around $850.Wanted the chrome lined barrel for shooting El-cheapo ammo.More than satisfied with it,and highly recommend it.Now looking at Rock River-their National Match A2 is under $1100.These damn things are addictive.Dave

Go with a Barrett in 6.8mm...same or better accuracy and much better performance than the .223.

Or a 6.5 Grendel

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Go with a Barrett in 6.8mm...same or better accuracy and much better performance than the .223.

Really? I would rather take the 223 into combat verses the 6.8 right now. I have a lot of 223 ammo. The 6.8 would just be a nice club because no one can get ammo for it.

I would like a 6.8 if I could find reasonably priced ammo for it. A dollar a round is WAY too much to be paying for ammo to fire out of an AR platform.

Right now and for the forseeable future, stick with 223 if you want to shoot your rifle.

i made that post in jan, i then bought a bushy varminter 24 in. barrel 2 stage and have put about 500 rnds thru it. i like it but i was hoping it would be a little more accurate.
thanks for the replys. mike