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Krinkov ever issued to military units?
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I wonder if the Krinkov pistol was ever issued to military units, and if so, to fill what role?

 
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It would make a nice tank crew weapon.



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IIRC, it was a name given by a US importer, this name does not exist in Russian. This is not a service weapon. Tankers used/use the APS Stechkin, a select fire pistol with detachable shoulder stock.
 
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I wonder if the Krinkov pistol was ever issued to military units, and if so, to fill what role?



The AKS-74U?!!! bewildered

Yes. They first showed up in Afghanistan in the early '80s. (That's where Osama bin Laden got his.)

They were issued to Spetsnaz, GRU, airborne infantry, rear-echelon units and armored vehicle crews.

500gr, the usual issue configuration was with folding stock.......... like this ....

 
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IIRC, it was a name given by a US importer, this name does not exist in Russian.


Correct. Normally it's referred to as the AKS74U.

I don't know how it got the "Krinkov" designation in the US. bewildered
 
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I think we have some confusion here. The AKS74U is not the same piece that was sold here [US] as the 'Krinkov' In fact, the 'Krinkov' was a cobbled together piece built onto a 'new' receiver from piece parts and as Edmond stated, it was not a military or military issue weapon.


"AK 47 Krinkov Style Pistol ,semi auto,762 x39 ,these pistols are imported parts built on a new Ohio Ordnance or Global Trades reciever .They feature a Krinkov style 90 degree gas block and Krinkov flash hider & the flash hider really works.Side rail for scope mounting of your optics .Will take hi cap mags & drums .Black finish & handguard.High quality parts & construction all backed up by a five year factory warranty !! These are not the cheaper questionable units slapped together some guy in a garage,they are factory built for us by Red Jacket Firearms. These are very unique units and limited in availibilty, comes with one 30 round mag."



For what it is worth, the AKS-74U is the Russian .22 cal version, not 7.62. Complete description: "The AKS-74U short assault rifle (the "U" suffix means "Ukorochennyj" in Russian = "Shortened" in English) has been developed in the late 1970s from the AKS-74 assault rifle. The AKS-74U was intended as a personal defense weapon for tanks, guns, helicopters and other vehicles crews, and for the special operations forces, who required a compact but relatively powerful individual automatic weapon. The AKS-74U has the size and effective range of a typical submachine gun, but has advantage of the general issue, assault rifle ammunition and magazines, as well as the parts interchangeability with the general issue assault rifle, the AK-74. Since its introduction the AKS-74U, unofficially known as a "Ksyukha" (variation of a Russian woman name) or "okurok" (cigarette stub), also had been issued to various Police and other Law Enforcement forces acres the USSR and the Post-USSR countries, including Russia. Interestingly, the AKS-74U is known in the USA as the "Krinkov", but what it means is a mystery for me. The AKS-74U is somewhat popular among its users due to its compact size, which allows it to be carried in the cars and even concealed under the clothes. On the other side, its effective range of fire is greatly limited by the poor accuracy at extended ranges, while the bullet itself remains its lethality at much greater ranges. The AKS-74U also known for its tendency for rapid overheating during the prolonged fire sessions. A special version of the AKS-74U had been developed for the Special Forces (SpetsNaz), which could be fitted with quickly detachable silencer and a special 30mm silenced grenade launcher model BS-1 "Tishina" ("silence"). The launcher uses special HE-DP grenades, which are launched using special blank cartridges, stored in the box magazine, contained in the launcher pistol grip."
[From http://world.guns.ru/assault/as03-e.htm]

What is and what is not correct? Who knows? I do know that 'Krinkov' does not translate to anything, at least not with any of the Russian speakers I know [2] or any of the translations programs I have access to.
I'm not sure but I think we are speaking to two seperate weapons here.


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If I remember correctly, the AKS-74U was the original arm to carry the "Krinkov" moniker.

I'm pretty sure it picked up that nickname in Afghanistan. I've heard that the Mujahadeen gave it that nickname (but it's beyond me WHY the Mujahadeen would give it a Russian sounding nickname). In any case, it was the ORIGINAL "Krinkov".

There were some genuine Russian AKS-74U parts kits available in the US but they were relatively rare.

Soon thereafter there were many "Krinkov" wanna-bees popping up all over the place co-opting the "Krinkov" name. Underfolders, sidefolders, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, and even "pistol" versions.

The "pistol" versions were made to get around the legalities of producing a short barreled AK type arm.

The pistol "Krinks" look kind of cool, but (IMHO) are impractical for military use (I think anybody who has fired an AK with an underfolder folded will know what I mean).
 
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If I remember correctly, the AKS-74U was the original arm to carry the "Krinkov" moniker.

I'm pretty sure it picked up that nickname in Afghanistan. I've heard that the Mujahadeen gave it that nickname (but it's beyond me WHY the Mujahadeen would give it a Russian sounding nickname). In any case, it was the ORIGINAL "Krinkov".

There were some genuine Russian AKS-74U parts kits available in the US but they were relatively rare.

Soon there were many "Krinkov" wanna-bees popping up all over the place co-opting the "Krinkov" name. Underfolders, sidefolders, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, and even "pistol" versions.

The "pistol" versions were made to get around the legalities of producing a short barreled AK type arm.

The pistol "Krinks" look kind of cool, but (IMHO) are inpracticle for military use (I think anybody who has fired an AK with an underfolder will know what I mean).


By reference to: "The pistol "Krinks" look kind of cool, but (IMHO) are inpracticle for military use (I think anybody who has fired an AK with an underfolder will know what I mean)."
Are you saying they should perhaps be called "Lightning" models as they seldom strike same place twice? Anybody ever fired [tried?] a Mauser or copy of a Mauser "Schnellfeuer" [Sp?] Impossible to control - I should think this "Krinkov" would be the same!


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfDBqEiDFRg&feature=related

I don't know, that doesn't look too uncontrollable to me.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfDBqEiDFRg&feature=related

I don't know, that doesn't look too uncontrollable to me.


But note, starmetal, this guy is not firing a "pistol" Krinkov and has the side folder extended.
 
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I can see the utility of a folding stock Krink, such as for a tank crew or guys getting into and out of vehicles a lot.

But it seems that the Krinkov pistol is a product designed for the sole purpose of taking money from the American consumer who does not know better.

Does anyone make an IWB holster for the Krink pistol? Wink lol

 
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AKS-74U



AKS-74U-UBN with the BS-1 "Tishina" 30mm suppressed grenade launcher (shown detached, along with special blank launcher cartridge and 30mm HE-DP grenade)

Caliber: 5,45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Overall length: 735 mm (490 mm with folded buttstock)
Barrel length: 210 mm
Magazine capacity, 30 rounds standard
Weight empty: 2,71 kg
Effective range: about 200 meters
Rate of fire: 650-735 rounds per minute

The AKS-74U short assault rifle (the "U" suffix means "Ukorochennyj" in Russian = "Shortened" in English) has been developed in the late 1970s from the AKS-74 assault rifle. The AKS-74U was intended as a personal defense weapon for tanks, guns, helicopters and other vehicles crews, and for the special operations forces, who required a compact but relatively powerful individual automatic weapon. The AKS-74U has the size and effective range of a typical submachine gun, but has advantage of the general issue, assault rifle ammunition and magazines, as well as the parts interchangeability with the general issue assault rifle, the AK-74. Since its introduction the AKS-74U, unofficially known as a "Ksyukha" (variation of a Russian woman name) or "okurok" (cigarette stub), also had been issued to various Police and other Law Enforcement forces acres the USSR and the Post-USSR countries, including Russia. Interestingly, the AKS-74U is known in the USA as the "Krinkov", but what it means is a mystery for me. The AKS-74U is somewhat popular among its users due to its compact size, which allows it to be carried in the cars and even concealed under the clothes. On the other side, its effective range of fire is greatly limited by the poor accuracy at extended ranges, while the bullet itself remains its lethality at much greater ranges. The AKS-74U also known for its tendency for rapid overheating during the prolonged fire sessions. A special version of the AKS-74U had been developed for the Special Forces (SpetsNaz), which could be fitted with quickly detachable silencer and a special 30mm silenced grenade launcher model BS-1 "Tishina" ("silence"). The launcher uses special HE-DP grenades, which are launched using special blank cartridges, stored in the box magazine, contained in the launcher pistol grip.

The AKS-74U has only few differences from the basic AKS-74 assault rifle, which I will describe below. For the technical description of the AK-74 and AKS-74, please refer to the appropriate article at this site.

AKS-74U has a severely shortened barrel, with the gas chamber moved back and appropriately cut down gas piston rod. Since the portion of the barrel after the gas port is very short, a special muzzle device was designed, which is used as a flash hider and the gas expansion chamber (to achieve reliable gas operated action). The front sight base is lowered, and the standard adjustable rear sight is replaced by the flip-up rear (marked for 200 and 400 meters distance), mounted on the receiver cover. The receiver cover is hinged to the receiver at the front and flips up when opened (original AK-74 receiver cover is detachable). Otherwise the AKS-74U is similar to the AKS-74, it has similar controls, folding buttstock, and uses same magazines. AKS-74U cannot be fitted with bayonet. Some versions had a standard side-mounted rail for the night or red-dot scopes, and are known as AKS-74U-N.


The rifle was intended for vehicle crews, artillery teams, and Special Forces soldiers needing small, lightweight weapons. Today the AKS-74U is found primarily amongst police, private sector guards and rear-echelon military units, with the AKS-74U being superseded among front line military units by the compact members of the AK-100 family.
 
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Interestingly, the AKS-74U is known in the USA as the "Krinkov", but what it means is a mystery for me.


From the mouth of Max Popenker, light weapons specialist and Russian. Big Grin
 
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But it seems that the Krinkov pistol is a product designed for the sole purpose of taking money from the American consumer who does not know better.


Video of typical "Krinkov Pistol" owner.

Not hitting anything........ but he thinks he's COOL! Wink
 
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But it seems that the Krinkov pistol is a product designed for the sole purpose of taking money from the American consumer who does not know better.


Video of typical "Krinkov Pistol" owner.

Not hitting anything........ but he thinks he's COOL! Wink


He's bump firing duhman, what do you expect?

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But it seems that the Krinkov pistol is a product designed for the sole purpose of taking money from the American consumer who does not know better.


Video of typical "Krinkov Pistol" owner.

Not hitting anything........ but he thinks he's COOL! Wink


He's bump firing duhman, what do you expect?


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I wouldn't expect much from anyone who thinks "bump firing" is COOL. Roll Eyes

And COOL, that's not a Krinkov "pistol" being fired in the video link you posted.

Note the side folder stock extended!
 
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I recently saw a kit set up to convert Ak to the Krinkov version.
 
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