Was Glock included in trials that resulted in the adoption of the Beretta?

If not do you think they would be a superior service sidearm? Seems to me they would be cheaper in any case.

There was a lot more than "Which is best" going on in the trials.

The Glock is a POS!

Glock, S & W, SIG/Sauer, and a couple of others, I believe.

HI,

I love my Kimber 45, but I will say my glock 40 is also a very good handgun,but I also like my m-9,92. It really comes down to what a person can shoot well, they are all very good.Kev

It doesn't appear that Glocks were part of the Army handgun trials of the early eighties according to this link:

http://usgi1911.tripod.com/beretta/

Can anyone say when Gaston Glock's gatt (say that three times fast) was adopted by the Austrians? It may be that the Glock didn't yet exist at the time of the US trials. I don't know the correct answer but the Glock's inception isn't many years apart from the trial era.

Redial

The Glock 17 existed at the time but was not included in the trials. I have read various reasons for this but the most basic is Glocks did not(and still do not) meet the US Army's definition of 'double action'. It lacks the ability for a second strike on a primer. Therefore the Glock 17 could not participate without changes to its design.

Kristofer

A note of critique on the M9/Beretta 92. For 12 years of my career, I carried a Colt or Remington built M1911A1. Except for one National Guard gun, the M1911s were pretty well worn out, most being made before or during WWII and being "used hard and put away wet" by a lot of uncaring/untrained owners. The new Berettas were welcome at the time we got them.

However, The Beretta I am carrying now is less than 20 years old, has been rebuilt twice and is currently completely worn out. It has all sorts of faults, which I will not list here, and in fact, I do not know if it will function if needed. Frankly, the army is not prepared to maintain such a relatively fragile handgun as the M9.

I think it is time to go back to all-steel or adopt a polymer pistol, just for the durability standpoint. I believe my Beretta is representative of the ones the army uses.

Hi im actually Jays son and I held a Glock(not fired) and wasn't too impressed.The trigger felt bad and holding it didnt feel too good either.I think the SW-99 in .45 acp would be one of the best choices.

I agree with you on the "feel" of the SW/Walther 99 in the hand. AND the Glock trigger feels almost precisely like "shooting" a cap-gun. Having said that, the Glock works, and the weird feel pays off for most people in a very efficient shooter.

It points like a P.08 in my hands and I get really fast follow-ups. I haven't shot the 99 so I can only tell you that it feels better in the hand than the Glock, at least to me.

If I get a Glock, it will be for the full-house 10mm round.

I was told that the Star 28M was under consideration. I have one that I paid not a lot for and got 4 15round magazines. Best shooting auto I have. It doesn't look anything like the later commercial Star autos. I was pleasenly supprized at the performance. It has an indicator that lets you know if one is in the Chamber, and is large and heavy. Close to 1000 rounds of S&B 115 FMJ fired and no jams, and not a lot of cleaning. It is double action, and only adjusts for windage. But the S&B ammo is right on.

To Major Caliber: HELL YES it is a POS!!!! I say bring back the Colt.

after 18 yrs I have always carried a 1911,it saved my tail more than once but in the army of the 70s trying to get replacement parts was nonexstant,if they would just replace the wornout parts[which is what i did to mine just didnt tell the armorer]they would have a great sidearm

1cav sgt ret,

You da man!

Scouts out.

Eric

Crazy cledus-I've carried a Glock 19 and liked it. I'm considering getting another, and am really interested in what people who don't like them have to say. Do you have some specific experience/opinions on them?

Frankly, I'm having a hard time finding the specifics, but the Glock does cause some serious division of opinions, based on something. I'm interested in finding out why.

Glocks are POSes, let me count the ways:
1) Glocks don�t shoot lead bullets. Not for very long anyway.
2) Glocks don�t let you mount a light like a Springfield TRP
3) Glocks don�t give you the prestige of buying an $800 version that works as well as every other $500 handgun�
4) �nor can you buy a $400 Glock that requires an additional $400 to make it function acceptably
5) Glocks don�t shoot .45 ACP as well as a bone-stock 1911
6) Glocks in 10mm don�t have barrel lock-up timing issues
7) Glocks don�t have cool names like Delta Elite, Officer�s ACP or Combat Commander
8) Glocks don�t have single stack magazines. You can only get stupid 10 or 15 round magazines.
9) Glocks have a limited selection of aftermarket parts, the result is marginal gains over the factory product.
10) Glocks don�t come with crisp 2.5lb trigger pulls from the factory.
11) Glocks don�t shoot 2 inch groups at 50 yards from the factory.
12) Glocks can�t be carried in Condition 2
13) Glocks only come with ramped barrels and don�t fully support the cartridge
14) Glocks aren�t amenable to well-known and necessary gunsmithing, such as�
14a) �feed ramp polishing / barrel throating to feed hollowpoints
14b) �magazine well enlargements.
14c) �lowering and flaring ejection ports
14d) �ambidextrous safeties
15) Glocks come in all the colors of the rainbow to choose from, so long as black is the color you�ve chosen
16) Glocks are easily detectable by airport security
17) Glocks do not figure prominently in classic movies like �The Sands of Iwo Jima� or �The Untouchables� or �Gone With The Wind�
18) The phrase �God made man, Gaston Glock made them equal� just doesn�t have the same panache.

I used to be a cocked-and-locked 1911 fan and a definite Glock hater. Glocks have to suck. They have mushy / heavy trigger pulls, no thumb safety, and are plastic! But I finally bought a Glock after I shot with a friend's G17 and realized I could shoot it better than my $600 Springfield 1911 that needs at least another $200 of trigger work, or my highly tuned Browning Hi-Power.

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120mm, Look at the damn thing! It looks like a freakin' boat anchor or the main part of the grapplers rope! I've fired it, I've subjected it to the rigors it is SUPPOSED to take, and it is a P.O.S.! I have to agree with 1st Cav. Sgt. Ret., it is the solution to some plastic P.O.S.! E-5 SF, OUT!

I readily admit I don't know a lot about the current handguns but an article caught my eye a couple of months ago on Springfield Armory's XD pistol. It seemed like a pretty fair pistol from what I read, how would it hold up for military use?

Crazy Cledus - I though so. Mine worked impeccably, but then, I only used it for a few years and several thousand rounds (10,000 est.). Of course, I was handicapped by not being prejudiced about what a "real" pistol was like.

What? Only E-5? What specialty were you?

I had a Glock 17 from the first year of production, and it would not eject cases reliably and jammed up quite a bit.

A friend bought a Glock 40 S&W and it shot a full 6" low at 25 years with 180 grainers.

Cops like Glocks. But cops like Chevy Impalas too.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the requirement for a 9mm one of the requirements? If so, wonder if the Browning Hi-Power was considered? Just happens to be my favorite handgun.
<<<<OKAY, I should have gone and read the referenced item BEFORE I posted!>>>>>>>>
Regards,

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Hi Power is not double action. The three major requirements for the XM9 were 9x19mm caliber, double action, and 'high capacity'.

I hate how my G26 has worked flawlessly from day of purchase. I would reather have a gun I have to tinker with to make feed JHPs.

1911 is for games, Glock is for carry. I also have this theory that if I put $1200+ into a Glock I can make a games pistol out of it, just like a 1911.

Seriously, I love both 1911s and Glocks. I can not understand the people that love one and despise the other.

Kristofer

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There's a lot of good pistols out there, for the civilian market. For the military you just can't beat a good 1911A1 and the .45 ACP ball round.