I realize you love to argue with me Phil but you are missing my point about allowable harvest. Talk to a bio....I'm sure they can help you understand.

Yukon fees for NR hunters are higher than many jurisdictions and lower than others....They are pretty well in line with Alberta.

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:
I realize you love to argue with me Phil but you are missing my point about allowable harvest. Talk to a bio....I'm sure they can help you understand.

Yukon fees for NR hunters are higher than many jurisdictions and lower than others....They are pretty well in line with Alberta.

i spent a lot of time to speak with Troy and we exchanged quite a few emails but as usual you are eluding the questions lol ....

point me the juridictions, where sheep tag and fees are less expensive than in Yukon, in North america just for the pleasure of getting a real objective answer from you ....

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:
I realize you love to argue with me Phil but you are missing my point about allowable harvest. Talk to a bio....I'm sure they can help you understand.

Yukon fees for NR hunters are higher than many jurisdictions and lower than others....They are pretty well in line with Alberta.

i spent a lot of time to speak with Troy and we exchanged quite a few emails but as usual you are eluding the questions lol ....

point me the juridictions, where sheep tag and fees are less expensive than in Yukon, in North america just for the pleasure of getting a real objective answer from you ....

Obviously you haven't talked to him about allowable harvest. It would be beneficial!

Alberta is $434.44 Yukon is $410.00.

what is allowable harvest in that specific zone? not the one given by your friend outfitter but by the Bio ... you may have some surprises ....

speaking of management i didnt hear you about the 8 years instead of full curl or 8 years. there is every year sheeps taken that are only 6 years old with full curl not very good for the management ...

you will have some surprises too on sheep fees for non resident ....

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Originally posted by medved:
what is allowable harvest in that specific zone?

That was the original question I asked you? You didn't seem to understand what allowable harvest meant.

Phil I have no interest in getting in a big argument with you and bouncing all around the place. I'm honestly interested if the bio has indicated what the allowable harvest is for that zone? Do you know?

allowable harvest should be 24 with the actual knowledge of population.
no numbers were given by subzone.

actual harvest is over 6% of the population where you know that 4% should the rules. already gave the number that was given to us ....

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Originally posted by medved:
allowable harvest should be 24 with the actual knowledge of population.
no numbers were given by subzone.

actual harvest is over 6% of the population where you know that 4% should the rules. already gave the number that was given to us ....

A good read here Phil...the harvest in this zone was increasing dramatically before the outfitter and it was being looked at for possible permit hunts as far back as '09. No question the outfitter has added to that harvest but the biggest concern still seems to be its proximity to Whitehorse. It seems they haven't got a great handle on actual population numbers which isn't that uncommon with aerial survey for sheep. This is worth a read http://www.env.gov.yk.ca/publi...uthern_lakes2009.pdf

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:

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Originally posted by medved:
allowable harvest should be 24 with the actual knowledge of population.
no numbers were given by subzone.

actual harvest is over 6% of the population where you know that 4% should the rules. already gave the number that was given to us ....

A good read here Phil...the harvest in this zone was increasing dramatically before the outfitter and it was being looked at for possible permit hunts as far back as '09. No question the outfitter has added to that harvest but the biggest concern still seems to be its proximity to Whitehorse. It seems they haven't got a great handle on actual population numbers which isn't that uncommon with aerial survey for sheep. This is worth a read http://www.env.gov.yk.ca/publi...uthern_lakes2009.pdf

one of the author of that study Troy Hegel to cite him was the one that mention the outfitter activity and the reduction in the sheep numbers. as you have seen an increase of 12 sheeps in zone 7 is a lot ...

that study is now 5 years old and since that they added 7-14 and 7-16 for the permit area so they answered already the local activity, if you add the numbers given by Mac you can see how the problem is now. it is not only the local activity.

as i said im exchanging a lot with him and i think that the concern is now that if there is a permit there that will guarantee the outfitter some sheep tags. i will prefer myself no outfitter and an emergency closure if needed and if the numbers are met, as i said next year it is election time and will see how our politicians are willing to listen what we want here ....

Sadly a couple hundred voters don't matter much to politicians.

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:
Sadly a couple hundred voters don't matter much to politicians.

you are maybe right but with a population of less than 35 000, votes are always interesting ... wait and see ....