Jeez........... you know I get tired of people real fast.

Just had a European hunter for bear. No names, no country. Wants to borrow a rifle to avoid the headaches. Fair enough.

Gets a nice bear but......... the Leupold scope was not good enough, the Ruger rifle was junk and the Winchester ammo was barely tolerable even though he killed his bear with it.

Told me in no uncertain terms that my equipment for shooting was substandard on his $3500 hunt all in. And unlike Africa, I did not charge him for using the rifle or the ammo to check it and kill the bear.

I am pissed off. Venting. LOL

Inhale. Exhale slowly.
Inhale. Exhale slowly.
Inhale. Exhale slowly.
Inhale. Exhale slowly.

LOL...... I know.

I feel my blood pressure dropping already.

Maybe I should start charing $50 a day for rental and $2 a round?

ah Kelly .... european guys never happy lol ...

you should indeed start to charge.

Phil

Don't know about "Europeans", but Germans gotta be the cheapest bastards you ever met.

Grizz

I know what you mean we have had a few Europeans for Muskox and they are definitely different.Some are real good guys but some are really not!
Dear slow breathes take it easy.Bill

As we age it sure does get tuffer to hold our tongues . . . I might have told him straight up to piss off, be thankful for what you got, next time bring your own shix.

There, had to fix it for ya

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Maybe I should start charging $50$100 a day for rental and $2$4 a round?

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My issue was having a german guide & when it came to taking pictures with my camera,he took 2 pictures and said that was enough.We argued and I set up my tripod and took over 30 that took at least an hour.Next day I had a different guide.

Kelly,
you can't win with some people. I provide cheap but accurate rifles with Leupold glass as well.

I always suggest bringing their own as I don't need to hear any excuses if they miss. Here we don't bait hunt so the shots can be a lot farther.

You can't always keep them happy

Had a European complain to the Outfitter's association here, some years back, cause he didn't shoot a bear. Guess they were baiting and the guy insisted on having his wife in the stand with him. Things went well, except every time a bear showed up, she screamed.

Grizz

Yes boys......... I know. Been at the guiding things since 1976. But this one really pissed me off.

I shot the rifle myself............ right on the money........... scope is good, ya not a Zeiss but a good scope. He shot it and it was right on...... but still the pissing and moaning. And he got his bear with it.

Why the snivelling? Oh well, as you say, can't make them all happy. But I get so tired on this forum of how the outfitter is an asshole, when often the client is!!!!!! Sorry, sad but true.

Perhaps he should be told next time to bring his own.

I know what you mean about some clients. I along with some friends went on an Alberta black bear hunt last year. One of my friends wounded a bear - twice! After the first time the bear later came back to the bait, it was caught on a trail cam, so the guide gave him the benefit of the doubt and let him try again without charge. Next day another bad shot, this time the bear runs off and eventually dies. They found the skull and backbone after wolfs had eaten the rest. My friends remark after all this is the guides didn't understand his hunting style and should have found it the night before. I really had to grit my teeth when he essentially blamed the guides for his poor performance.

Like often happens after a hunt this particular guide and I have become friends since our hunt and exchange emails often. I got two nice bears but even without my success I consider him one of the more capable guides I've ever hunted with and an all around good guy. I look forward to scheduling another hunt with him. My troublesome friend however won't be coming along.

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:
Don't know about "Europeans", but Germans gotta be the cheapest bastards you ever met.

Grizz

You've never met a Belgian Catholic have you?

Fire him!!!!

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Jeez........... you know I get tired of people real fast

You should try a career in Law enforcement.

A guy that complains about a rifle and ammo is nothing. He didn't try to shoot you or just miss you.

Heck he still paid you.

Have you for got the golden rule the customer is always right unless they are dangerous.

Did you smile all the way to the bank when you cashed his check.

People skills are very important when in business.

Yes I do have my own business dealing with people.

But I do find the people who complain the most are the ones who don't pay for something.

I always charge for the use of things it might be a small fee. But people who pay for things are more appreciative of them.

My wife and I have been in business for ourselves for over 15 years. With a very few folks I have said "you can't please some people if you gave them what they want".

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"you can't please some people if you gave them what they want".

Kind of like St. Peter telling the lawyer why their was a complaint box in heaven.

Because some people can not be happy unless they can complain.

ppd.......... you of course do not know a damn thing about me.......... such is the case with the internet and forums. I was in LE, so I know all about it. Really doesn't have anything to do with what I posted about.

There are some who are never happy, always glass half empty. But there is a difference between that and those that are rude and obnoxious in how they go about things.

I have never subscribed to the customer is always right.......... that approach to everything is why we have so many now that are incredibly rude and demanding. They are allowed to get away with it instead of being told to take a hike. The internet is also not helping things. If they are complete jerks to deal with and treat my staff, family or myself like shit then they will only be on a hunt with us once.

It is not like a sale to someone in a clothing store where contact is brief. It is 24/7 for a week. The other aspect of a rude client is that they tend to ruin things for the other hunters that are there as well......... who also think the problem client is an AH.

So the bad ones, if they try to rebook, get told they should look elsewhere. I do not need their money that bad. We do not have to scratch for clients thankfully and have many repeats.

Skyline; it can be very challenging when you work very hard for someone and they do is complain. Dealing with jerks in any business is really hard. From time to time it is necessary to fire a client and I think you wise for not re-booking the toxic persons.

In my short time guiding and my few times being guided you see a wide variety of people. Some folks are awesome and do their best to help their guide as much as possible and have a great positive attitude. These folks are inspiring and sometimes become our friends. There are the vast majority who are good decent people out to enjoy their hunt. Then there are those who are never happy and will blame everyone and everything even when they themselves sabotage the hunt.

In whatever job I do I try not to let unpleasant folks get me down and remember all the great folks I have dealt with.

When I hunt I try to be the happy positive helpful guy and it seems to make my hunts better.

It is important to note that my opinions and $2 will buy you a coffee.

I hope you have a successful, pleasant and profitable remainder of the season.

GRF

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Originally posted by Skyline:
ppd.......... you of course do not know a damn thing about me.......... such is the case with the internet and forums. I was in LE, so I know all about it. Really doesn't have anything to do with what I posted about.

There are some who are never happy, always glass half empty. But there is a difference between that and those that are rude and obnoxious in how they go about things.

I have never subscribed to the customer is always right.......... that approach to everything is why we have so many now that are incredibly rude and demanding. They are allowed to get away with it instead of being told to take a hike. The internet is also not helping things. If they are complete jerks to deal with and treat my staff, family or myself like shit then they will only be on a hunt with us once.

It is not like a sale to someone in a clothing store where contact is brief. It is 24/7 for a week. The other aspect of a rude client is that they tend to ruin things for the other hunters that are there as well......... who also think the problem client is an AH.

So the bad ones, if they try to rebook, get told they should look elsewhere. I do not need their money that bad. We do not have to scratch for clients thankfully and have many repeats.

I absolutely agree with you.

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ppd.......... you of course do not know a damn thing about me.......... such is the case with the internet and forums

Very true one can only read what another posts and go from there.

And if one doesn't like comments one should not post any thing.

Ya, I will take that under advisement.

Have a good day.

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Jeez........... you know I get tired of people real fast.

Just had a European hunter for bear. No names, no country. Wants to borrow a rifle to avoid the headaches. Fair enough.

Gets a nice bear but......... the Leupold scope was not good enough, the Ruger rifle was junk and the Winchester ammo was barely tolerable even though he killed his bear with it.

Told me in no uncertain terms that my equipment for shooting was substandard on his $3500 hunt all in. And unlike Africa, I did not charge him for using the rifle or the ammo to check it and kill the bear.

I am pissed off. Venting. LOL

Good day at the office... Dogleg was a lot more fun to be with even if he won't acknowledge he smiled. And good to know what's potentially out there for clients!

Looked to me like you guys had a blast Angus.

So now a positive update from me...............

Two more European hunters this week that borrowed rifles. We started off by letting them shoot the rifles, which needed no tweaking, and they were spot on. Went through our bear shot placement photos and boar/sow identification thing we do.

Damn they had it pretty quick. And they were just happy to be here.

By day three both had taken their boars. One shot each, neither went more than about 5 yards.

Off for some fishing. Yesterday we went to one lake and they absolutely wore themselves out catching and releasing Northern Pike. This morning we went to a different lake and they caught and released quite a few rainbow and brown trout. Kept just one for dinner to prepare the way they do at home to go along with the muskox steak and bear backstrap we were brewing up for them.

Then this afternoon we took them to another lake and they caught and released about 100 walleye.

They have had a lot of fun and they have been a pleasure to have here. Restores my faith.

I actually started this thread hoping it would come across a little bit tongue in cheek. Hence the wink........ but I guess it seemed too stern and blossomed from there. Oh well. Partly my fault no doubt, but little gets started on AR without it heading in directions that were not originally intended.

i told you that Kelly many years ago...

you need a Sauer in 8x68s with a Zeiss and EAW quick detach mounts ...

all of those are long gone for me.

what we have locally is working perfectly lol.

seems the Romans never did what they said lol ....

Phil

LOL........ good point Phil.

I still think I'd like to have one of those Sauer 8x68's though.

Skyline. There is a perfect remedy for all this and it is called Whiskey. A couple of good slugs and all is good in camp.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Skyline. There is a perfect remedy for all this and it is called Whiskey. A couple of good slugs and all is good in camp.

Good point.