I have just returned from a Newfoundland moose/caribou combo hunt.
This hunt was recommended to me by Glenn Dunning from “Tundratour consultants†( http://www.tundratour.com/ ). I was hunting with outfitter Horace Lane from “Riverrun Outfitting & Tours†( http://www.riverrun.nf.net/).
Mr. Lane assigned me to the guide Shawn aka Lucky.
Day one:
Rain and wind up to 50mi/h. Lucky decides to hunt moose today. A lot of walking then glassing. Lucky is heavier and shorter then I but he can move. I can barely keep up. There is plenty of sign but no moose.
Day two:
No rain and almost no wind. We are going caribou hunting. We are going to the high country, and drive ATV's between the high points and glass the bogs for caribou.

After first 15 minutes we see a cow moose at 150 yards. This picture is taken through binoculars.

We watched her for a minute and then moved away. There was another cow that followed the first one but no bull. I told Lucky that I want to shoot this bull. We have been driving all morning but only saw one bedded cow caribou and a small group far away.

Another hunter killed nice caribou and Lucky helped them to bring the meat to the truck. After lunch we decided to get closer to the group of caribou we saw previously and take another look. We started to the bog and after two miles I spot a single caribou over the pond. Lucky confirmed it is a stag but we could not say how big it is. We decided to stalk him. After walking a few miles around the pond we can not find our caribou. We decided to continue in the direction he was moving. Soon, Lucky spotted a bedded caribou 500 yards away. After evaluating horns I’ve decided I want to take him. We started slowly closing the distance. When we were within about 200 yards the stag stands up and starts slowly mowing away from us. I made the shots using a Stoney Point bipod and here it is my first caribou:


Not big but I like it. After few hours we loaded it into the truck and got back to the camp by the dark.
Day three:
Rain no wind. Now I can concentrate on the moose. A lot of walking. Abundant moose and bear sign, but no moose.
Day four:
Sunday. No hunting on Sundays. Great day, sunny and warm. Just relaxing. My legs are totally recovered and I’m ready for the next week.
Day five:
No rain yet, but windy. I told Lucky that I only need a good moose. We started early. It’s the same area as the first day. Lucky said the rut should start any day now. He makes few cow calls. Waiting… Walk again and then call and wait. Lucky spots running cow moose at 200 yard on the left of us. She moves very fast and disappears in the trees. Lucky suggests that bull may chase her. We wait but did not see anything. We decided to move on. After few miles slow walking and calling, we both hear a moose call in the distance. We decided to stalk in that direction. After 15-20 min of stalking we spotted cow moose bedded by the pond about 600 yards away. . We decided to get closer and see if there is a bull near by. We got to the trees on the opposite side of the pond. By the time we got there the cow was standing in the middle of the pond and we spotted the bull laying down in the brush. We can only see antlers. Lucky says that it’s a shooter and he chased down the cow. She is not ready yet and ran away from him into the pond. Lucky measured distance - 194 yards. I took position and wait began. In 10 or 15 minutes cow and bull did not move. Cow was making noises and it looked like she was saying: “get away from me, your dirty @#$$...â€. Two ducks landing near the cow but she just looked at them and did not move. Finally, when I could not feel my legs, she decided to move. The bull stood up immediately when she got to the shore and he presented a perfect broad side shot. He took Barnes TSX 270 grain bullet and ran in the middle of the pond for safety, where he collapsed.

As soon as bull collapsed Lucky announced that can not swim and I have to go to get the moose because I’ve shot him .
I did not mind.
I had to strip down and get in the water. After some struggle we got the moose to the shore. Here it is, my first moose:

It took us rest of the day get moose back to the camp.
And then my hunt was over…


A few words about outfitter:
Horace Lane runs “Riverrun Outfitting & Toursâ€. He has three camps in Newfoundland: one fly-in and two drive-in camps. I was hunting from one of drive-in camps. I found camp very spacious, clean and comfortable. Food was delicious and guides are very professional. They can make your hunt as easy or challenging as you want. I hunted with the guide Shawn and can recommend him to anyone.
I was surprise to see how many returning hunters Horace has. I also met gentlemen who hunted with Horace seven times.
Here are some pictures of the camp:




I’m definitely planning to return and hunt with Horace again.

Good report. I've been wanting to go there. If I can make it I'll see what this outfitter has to offer.

i have seen many negative hunting reports over the years on this operation.

i would proceed with a lot of caution...

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Originally posted by cold zero:
i have seen many negative hunting reports over the years on this operation.

i would proceed with a lot of caution...

What did you hear exactly? Did you have bad experience? Facts please.
I myself had great experience and met FIVE returned hunters in the camp.

no first hand experience.

only know what i read. do you subscribe to the hunting report? many reports in there about them and you can also try n. american hunting club and the safari club.

i am glad you had a good experience with them. however, many have not...

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Originally posted by cold zero:
no first hand experience.

only know what i read. do you subscribe to the hunting report? many reports in there about them and you can also try n. american hunting club and the safari club.

i am glad you had a good experience with them. however, many have not...

Cold Zero,
I did search the places you were talking about. I did not find anything.
Is it possible you have name of outfitter mixed up?
Please post links to the information you were talking about.
You comment without the facts will not do any good to anyone.

"After some struggle..." That has got to be the greatest understatement ever! I can't imagine anything worse that a bull moose in the pond! I need details...how did you get Bullwinkle back on shore in one piece? Congratulations anyway! Sounds like you had a terrific hunt. I too took my first moose this year (in Alaska), thankfully nowhere near water. It was hard enough just getting the meat loaded on the plane!

nubuk;

if you searched n. american hunting report, they only go back one year. if no bad reports in the last year. then no negative reports.

tell us are you a member of s.c.i. and the hunting report as i am? tell us.

i know what i read i have hunted there 2 times and know what i have read.

disregard if you don't like it, just because you had a good hunt and the other 5 guys went on a successful week, does not make them a great outfit.

there are other guys that were not as fortunate as you.

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Originally posted by plainview:
"After some struggle..." That has got to be the greatest understatement ever! I can't imagine anything worse that a bull moose in the pond! I need details...how did you get Bullwinkle back on shore in one piece? Congratulations anyway! Sounds like you had a terrific hunt. I too took my first moose this year (in Alaska), thankfully nowhere near water. It was hard enough just getting the meat loaded on the plane!

Plainview,
Congratulation on your moose. Did you post your story? I’d love to read it.
Yes pooling moose out of the water is a LOT of work.
Big guide and ATV usually helps.

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Originally posted by cold zero:
nubuk;

if you searched n. american hunting report, they only go back one year. if no bad reports in the last year. then no negative reports.

tell us are you a member of s.c.i. and the hunting report as i am? tell us.

i know what i read i have hunted there 2 times and know what i have read.

disregard if you don't like it, just because you had a good hunt and the other 5 guys went on a successful week, does not make them a great outfit.

there are other guys that were not as fortunate as you.

Cold Zero;
I’m a member of NAHC for many years. I’m a recent member of c.s.i.
I still could not find any negative report on them.
If those reports were posted more then a year back, then you must have copies of them or have an EXEPTIONAL memory to remember name of outfitter.
If you have those copies and for some reason do not want to post them here then please email them to me and I’ll post them for you. I also will go back to the outfitter and the hunting consultant who recommended this hunt to me, and give them a chance to explain.
I think they deserve that chance.

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Originally posted by cold zero:
no first hand experience.

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Originally posted by cold zero:
know what i read i have hunted there 2 times and know what i have read.

Did you hunted there or not. If you did, please tell us about your experience.
I agree, I was fortunate to harvest both animals.
Not all the hunters in the camp were that lucky. That is why it is called hunting.
But it has nothing to do with the level of service offered by outfitter.
I’m standing behind my recommendation of this outfitter to anyone.
I trusted my hunting consultant on his choice of outfitter when I was looking for that hunt and frankly every word of his proved to be true.

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Originally posted by cold zero:
disregard if you don't like it, just because you had a good hunt and the other 5 guys went on a successful week, does not make them a great outfit.

It has nothing to do with if I like or dislike your opinion. I’m asking for details and facts.

It is very easy to bash somebody by mistake or intentionally. Look at nowadays politician just before the elections when they claim their opponents. Frankly it only hurts their credibility.

I believe you have good intentions to warn other hunters. Thank you for that.
But now it is you responsibility to present the facts.

Thanks for the informative report Nug... Having known you for sometime I value your opinion and recomendations. First hand unsolicited reports are what I want to hear before I lump down my hard earned dollars.

Nugbuk,

Ah, now I see...the old ATV trick. I was about 100 miles by air from the nearest ATV--hence I was very careful not to drop a moose in a pond! I don't have quite the nack for writing that you do but will post a triptale when I finish with my fall harvest. No outfitter troubles for me--this was a do-it-yourself hunt with my Alaskan nephew as a guide. Besides, if I had complained he would have just left me there in the bush, so of course....it was a perfect hunt! (Actually it was)

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Originally posted by plainview:
Nugbuk,

Ah, now I see...the old ATV trick. I was about 100 miles by air from the nearest ATV--hence I was very careful not to drop a moose in a pond! I don't have quite the nack for writing that you do but will post a triptale when I finish with my fall harvest. No outfitter troubles for me--this was a do-it-yourself hunt with my Alaskan nephew as a guide. Besides, if I had complained he would have just left me there in the bush, so of course....it was a perfect hunt! (Actually it was)

I know, I know, I have cheated with ATV trick. .
Can not wait to see the pictures. Please let me know when you post it.
Good hunting.

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Originally posted by nugbuk:
As soon as bull collapsed Lucky announced that can not swim and I have to go to get the moose because I’ve shot him .
I did not mind..

YOU are one HELL of a good sport and welcome in my hunting camps any day of the week! Most guided hunt clients would have freaked out at something like that! That said, I think I would have denied being able to swim too...and I take to water like a fish!

Best,

John

Thanks John,
I was lucky water was not that deep. It was just over …, well let say I was wet up to my waist. But it was pretty cold.
Good hunting.

From the Hunting file cabinets of Cold Zero...

although , this web site is not a court of law,since i have been asked to prove my statement, i will. however, be advised that the truth is sometimes ugly and i tell it like it is and i don't mean to be personal but, i do tell it like it is.

first off, you glaringly left out if you subscribe to the hunting report. i will take that as a no. the h.r. is a most valuable asset to the traveling hunter and well worth the subscription price. when you checked s.c.i. did you call the hunt reports section? the n.a.h.c. unfortunately, does not list in their approved book of guide outfitters the guides that they have received negative hunt reports on. did you call them directly, or just look in the book when you checked?

Was this report you filed unsolicited, or the did the outfitter request you post this? it would not surprise me if he did, he needs all the good press he can get.

you were very good about telling us about the wind speed, temperature and distance of the shot. how about telling us about what is important like, was this a management or trophy hunt and how much did you pay? since you are a member of c.s.i. and most members get their animals scored at their monthly meetings, what was the score of the 2 animals you took and did they make the c.s.i. minimums? if they did not was there an opportunity to take better animals if you had elected to hold out?

I think that it is poor internet etiquette for you to come on here after only a handful of posts and pimp an outfitter of such dubious reputation and i am being kind here and when you have not even established a reputation for yourself and question my integrity when i have posted here every other day for over 2 years and base everything i say on either hard facts as i did in this case,or actual first hand experience. since you asked me to take my time to provide the facts and prove myself. why don't you take some of your time and find one post that i have made in over the last 2 + years that was not factually correct, accurate or based on my own in the field experience before you call my integrity into question?mostguys that have posted here for awhile know that i do not toss out b.s. or talk out of my ass.

I did not bash your outfitter, i only stated what i had read. to clarify, i hunted newfoundland2 times in the last couple of years and have not and would not hunt with horace lane. how many times have you hunted newfoundland? maybe you should have posted what your experience was on your hunt and let the members of this site decide whether they should go with them.especially since you used the servicesof a booking agent and relied on them to decide your outfitter and did not do a thorough effort to research your own outfitter if you made any effort at all, before recomending horace lane.

as per your request. a cursory search of my records turned up the following during the years of 2001-2004, the only years i searched and i suspect that i could have turned up more negative reports if i had taken more time. since i would not hunt with him and have more than sufficient proof on his business practices and poor record,there is no need for me to spend more time and purchase the actaul reports. how could i post a link to hunting reports that are not posted on the web? the n.a.h.c. has a book, then you buy the reports from them, they are not posted on the web, neither does s.c.i. nor the hunting report. you must first pay the subscription price then actually purchase the reports. if i posted the reports here for free that would not be appropriate as don causy sells this information to earn his living. i did not check with n.a.h.c. or s.c.i., it was not necessary.

the hunting report:

August , 2001 2 separate negative reports in one month.

Oct. 2001, one more negative hunting report warranting the h.r. to take the rare step of warning subscribers to stay away from this outfitter.

oct. 2004, another negative report.

all reports are similar and complain of the same things. if you are that interested,i suggest you spend the money to read about it. how many guys have to have problems with the same outfitter before you will realize there is a problem there? most guys would just stay away based on the warning i posted above. maybe he does need to be bashed, did you think of that?

as for giving him a chance to explain, he has already been invited to explain and defend his actions numerous times by the hunting report and has consistently ignored their request and the opportunity to tell his side. but, he did keep those guys money who made the negative reports right,that is all he cares about, not his reputation.

you want him to have a chance to come on here and defend himself? fine, i am inviting horace lane and your agent come on here and address the many serious complaints that have been made against his co. i will be surprised if he does as he has had many opportunites in the past and has not stepped up yet. shame on the booking agent for sending you to a camp like that. oh, yeah, he got a commission out of it right? guess you could say he has an ax to grind here, i do not and just don't want to see anymore guys get screwed out of their money.

did you know that horace lane wasalso recently the president of the newfoundland outfitters assoc'? oufitters assoc' are formed for the benefit of their members, the outfitters, not the traveling hunter. as the president, he covered the ass of his members when compaints were directed to him. he is no longer the president.

if you have more questions, you may p.m. me. apparently, there was a lot you did not know.

just for the record, i prefer to write positive reports, it is easier and more fun. however, i tell it like it is and have also written many a negative hunting report so that others can use my experience in their decision making process to decide if they should go with a particular outfitter. i have become pretty thorough over the years checking guys out because i have been taught many an expensive lesson and the cost of mistakes is high. my friends and i have gotten a red ass more times than we would like to admit.

fair and balanced reporting.

cold zero, out.

Before TNN changed formats and they still ran their Sunday slate of hunting shows, there was one called "Remington Country" sponsored by, no surprise, Remington Arms. One of their shows was devoted to taking the Newfoundland "Grand Slam". The show's host were hunting with River Run Outfitters & Mr. Horace Lane...and the host did, indeed, take his "Grand Slam." I doubt if they'd hunt with a fly-by-night operation.

The bottom line here is that Nugbuk had, in his opinion, a great hunting experience and chose to share his thoughts and photos with the forum. I for one, am pleased that he did. Cold Zero, on the other hand, has by his own admission, never hunted with River Run and never will. As anyone knows, not all hunts are enjoyable experiences. I was pleased to hear about one that met the client's expectations. Cold Zero has more or less implied that Nugbuk's experience is not typical--and possibly even fictious--and that he is some sort of shill sent out into the hunting community to deceive those of us who are inherently more...gullible. I have no clue as to which of these gentlemen is or isn't disengenious but I fail to see the benefit in bashing another hunter's post just because they wanted to share a positive experience.

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Before TNN changed formats and they still ran their Sunday slate of hunting shows, there was one called "Remington Country" sponsored by, no surprise, Remington Arms. One of their shows was devoted to taking the Newfoundland "Grand Slam". The show's host were hunting with River Run Outfitters & Mr. Horace Lane...and the host did, indeed, take his "Grand Slam." I doubt if they'd hunt with a fly-by-night operation

The fact that a show was filmed with this outfitter does not really prove much.These shows are usually filmed with outfitters that are willing to donate hunts for free in order to gain the advertising on television.As such the free hunt may have been more of a factor than the previous references.I am sure that the outfitter would go above and beyond his normal routine to make his best impression on the television audience.

However as previously stated ,the most important thing is that Nugbuk had a great hunting experience.

Cold Zero,
With the tone of your post I should probably ignore it and do not reply , but I think you have couple of questions regarding the hunt so I will answer them, as this is suppose to be friendly hunting forum. So ignoring your sarcasm and trying not to offend your great ‘internet etiquette’ and ‘2 + years’ experience posting here (sorry I could not resist), here it is:

1. Report was unsolicited and outfitter did not ask for that post. I had a
great hunt and was provided by good service from outfitter and booking agent that is why mentioned them in my post.

2. This was a trophy hunt and I have paid $4500. I think that was a great price for that hunt. From the pictures you can see that animals did not make c.s.i. minimum. Are they supposed to before I can post the story here? They are still a trophy for me. I had an opportunity to take better animal I just decided to take those ones.

3. This report is ‘actual first hand experience’ and ‘my own in the field experience’. Is it not?

4. This was my first hunt in Newfoundland and I loved it. Who did you hunt with? How did you like your outfitter and hunt? Did you post your report? Can you send me link? I’d like to read it. I promise, I will not bash your outfitter (sorry could not resist again).

5. I did not subscribe for the hunting report. May be I should of. And then again I could of seen those negative reports you are talking about, and I could of missed a great hunt. I do not think I need to research this outfitter anymore. I already hunted with him, remember. And I loved the service. And I will probably hunt with him again.

6. Yes, I did use hunting consultant to book this hunt. And I do not see anything wrong with it. This is the first time I used this agent, and I think I found a good one! He recommended this outfitter from his personal experience. I do my research before the hunts. This research includes recommendations from the consultant. If you do not like to use service of hunting consultants this is your business. I think you are missing a lot of information from their experience.

7. I did not know that Horace Lane was also recently the president of the Newfoundland outfitters. Do I care? Probably not. I had a great hunt, that is what counts not the internal politics in some outfitters organization.

8. You do not have to post a full report. It’s enough that you post
complaints of other hunters, but if you do not want to, this is your business.

9. As I have promised I will forward this topic to the outfitter and booking agent. If they don’t reply I do not blame them. There is nothing for them to explain.

10. At last. I read my report again. It does look like I talk a lot about the outfitter. Then again why not? This is report of MY HUNT and MY EXPERIENCE. I think the outfitter did a great job and why should I not tell about him here?

Good hunting.

Plainview:

there is nothing wrong with posting a report, do include important details that are standard items in the report that were left out not to make the outfitter look bad. do stop short of reccomending an outfitter with one of the worst repuatations that you will find anywhere. let the reader decide then, if you must post a report. If you went with h. lane and he screwed you too and did not know about the readily available common public knowlege about him that i posted, would you feel that you read a fair and balanced report?

it did not bother you though, when nugbuk treated me like a defendant on a witness stand and made other implications though. you should be more fair, instead of being biased.

the benefit to the other hunters who read this is that they may find out valuable information that was among many things left out of this report and go elsewhere, instead of becoming another one of the many h. lane victims.

since you are unsure if i am disingenious, pay the subscription fee, buy the reports and read them for yourself, instead of posting your doubts about what i actually did read and remember. I only reported what they printed and hunters who went with lane wrote. they are entitled to their opinion as well, right.


stubblejumper;

+ 1, you are spot on.

Remington country would hunt with Elmer Fudd, Outfitting Ltd., if it was free and they "needed" the positve press. Of course h. lane would assign themhis best guide and take them to an area unhunted by the and unlikely to hold other hunters. you know the routine.



Nugbuk:

I did not care for your implications or tone either. I don't expect you to resist, you are new, inexperienced with researching outfitters rely on agents of the outfitter for fair and complete information, unable to write properly done hunting reports and have no internet etiquette. I now know not to expect more from you.

1. Thats good. glad you had a good hunt. However, many other hunters were not so lucky with h. lane, they got screwed.

2. no size is not a critieria for posting a hunt report. but, harverted animal score is a key part of any hunting report and should be included especially since you reccomended the outfitter. guys want to know what they can expect.

3. a report is supposed to be about your experience. I had to inform the A.R. members about what many others guys had to endure.

5. Or you could have had a great hunt with one of the many reputable outfitters, roll the dice again if you like and continue to patronize an outfitter who has repeatedly screwed and then ignored many dissatisifed customers. apparently, my memory was exactly correct. Lane has distinguished himself among outfitter in an infamous/renegade sort of way. Lane needs your repeat business, he is not getting much new business these days now that word is out. hence the lowered price schedule.

6. nothing wrong with using a hunting consultant. however, listening to the reccomendation of a fee receiving agent of the outfitter, is by no means doing research. Whatever research you did do was sorely lacking. you must have gained your "research" experience on some senate oversight committee. it was you that missed the reams of negative information on this outfitter, not i. I missed nothing.

7. You would care about his position if you had to write the outfitters association about your lousy hunt with him or one of the other member outfitters and he ignored you like he has some many of his disatisifed customers complaints and requests from hunting clubs/services for explainations and refunds.

8. I don't have the full reports, only excerpts. many negative reports over a period of years, not months with no outfitter reply is enough for most guys to know to look elsewhere. maybe that is why he has lowered his prices?

9. Good, we await their reply. I doubt it will happen based on his long history of ignoring everyone. Lane has much to explain and money to refund to many unhappy former customers.

10. tell about him if you like. you went wrong when you reccomended a rengade outfitter with a long history of screwing hunters and having a low success rate and poor quality animals due to over hunting.

C. ZERO

You are way too funny to take you seriously. “2 + years of posting experience†and you are talking about your “great internet etiquette†(note the comas). I guess that what gives you rights to piss on somebody else’s post.
At least with my “bed internet etiquette†I’m unswerving your questions.
You on another hand avoiding answering mine:

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Originally posted by nugbuk:
Who did you hunt with? How did you like your outfitter and hunt? Did you post your report? Can you send me a link? I’d like to read it.

How am I supposed to know how write “proper†reports if I did not read yours? Not that I care anymore.

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Originally posted by cold zero:
…. the lowered price schedule.

I guess you paid much more. Sorry…

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Originally posted by cold zero:
…i have gotten a red ass more times than we would like to admit.
…..
I had to inform the A.R. members …

I understand your good intentions. Thank you for that. But please present details first.
There always two points of views. Not always point of view of the client (hunter) is the correct one. That is why you ALWAYS need to present details.

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Originally posted by cold zero:
I don't have the full reports, only excerpts.

I, on another hand, am talking about first hand experience.
Do not like it? There is solution for that: DO NOT READ IT!

There is no spell check here and I have already devoted a lot of time and effort to your request for factual info and to help you set h. lane's record straight. Even jack the ripper had one victim escape...

Your thread left out lots of key info' and you reccomended an outfitter with one of the worst reputations that you will find anywhere. I don't want members of this site or hunters in general, to read your reccomendation and not get the full story, to make up their mind and not get screwed, like lane has done to so many other guys.

I don't have to avoid anything, as I have nothing to hide and can back up anything I have ever said with facts and or my own actual experience.

I was focused on on the topic here, your horrendous reccomendation of a notorious renegade outfitter, not my own hunts.

I notice you have had several opportunities to come on here, where is your great outfitter? Absent, as usual, we are still waiting and likely will have to wait indefinetly.

You should know how to format a proper report, as you are a member of several clubs that provide pre-formated blank hunting report forms for this purpose. Try reading one.

If you are so interested in my unsatisfying hunts, you can subscribe to the Hunting Report and read about it and the many other reports that i have filed with them over the years. Some were positive and some were negative. I tell it like it is and then the outfitter has the right to tell his side. You will have to spend some money, if you want to read my reports as there are no links, as I already said above, you missed that. Reports are for access of fee paid members, who also pay for each report.

If you don't care about the quality of your report or the accuracy and completeness of the information, why are you reccomending disreputable outfitters to the members of this site?

Yes, I did pay much more than you, what is known as the going rate. That is what
I usually pay and sometimes even more. You get what you pay for many times. h. lane charges less than the going rate because of his lousy reputation, low success rate, poor quality of animals that his clients take, so he is worth less. He can only get gullible guys or bargain hunters to go with him.

I do have good intentions and it is too bad that this thread has turned into a discussion about my hunts, spelling and other insults and non sense.

But, if you keep posting misleading reports about renegade outfitters I will "piss" on it everytime. If you want to post on this web site, you should know I have a right to read it and comment about any thread. I will throw the b.s. flag when called for. I won't sit back and let you dupe others into making an expensive mistake with a rogue outfitter.

There is not 2 points of view, when your outfitter skulks around screwing guys and won't answer for it, when he has had so many opportunities to do so over the years and has another one right now to come on here, where is he.....

It is not one hunter's viewpoint, but the opinion of many hunters complaints about the same things over a period of many years. Go with the larger groups consistent opinion is, not the scoundrel outfitter who hides and will not face the public. He is glad he is on an island in another country and is not accessible and he takes full advantage of this.

Both you and your outfitter have a lot to learn.

c zero,
Give it up already. I’m ignoring you insults here. This is not the way to talk on the public forum.
And this is free form report. Don’t like it. - Your problem.
Seams like you are really enjoying having bad experience. In that case you can write negative report and then try to sell it. I’d rather pay to outfitter you had bad experience with and hear his side of the story.
Maybe you should listen to the recommendation of other peoples including hunting consultants then you may have less bad hunts.
So take your ego and your anger and use it somewhere else.
Go write something interesting and valuable you can be proud of.

For everybody else:
Here is email I received from outfitter after I have forwarded him link to my post:

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I thank-you for posting your experience on your site with other hunters, We are in a buisness where it is very difficult to plese all of the people all of the time, some of which you will never please. I get a great percentage of repeat buiness each year because we do our best to take care of people and insure that they have a good hunting experience. It is far easier and less expensive to have repeat clients then it is to find new clients each year.We operate in a climate and on a landscape that is difficult and challenging even for those that are in great shape. This is a fair chase hunt with no gates ,no fences and no ropes, these are free ranging animals. Our guides are experienced and work very hard for their hunters, there are animals '' some of trophy quality '' in all the areas we hunt but we can not guarantee that you will harvest an animal. Hunters must be in good shape and be able to do some walking, ATVS are used to access the area and retrieve animals, much the same as other outfitters would use trucks, horses or aircraft to access an area.It is always disappointing for hunters who do not harvest an animal but a hunt can -not be all about the ''kill'' it has to be about the total experience. There are three sides to every story yours, mine and the truth. I do not choose to debate the success or failure of the '' experience '' in this forum. It is a no win situation for me based on the ''3 side scenario'' i just mentioned . For every negative report i can produce 50 positive reports, quite frankly i have not got enough time in my day to debate this. I thank-you for the opportunity to respond. Feel free to use this in your response to any and all negative correspondence.
Thank-you, Horace Lane

Nugbuk,

Life's too short to worry about what guys like "zero" think. He obviously has money to burn and is inordinately picky. The world is full of bad outfitters and sorry hunts--and lousy clients too. Horace Lane may or may not be the what either one of you has presented him to be. I personally don't care. What I enjoy reading on this forum is the ACTUAL account of a hunt--good or bad. I'm pleased that you shared YOUR experience with the forum. Had it been a bad experience I would have commiserated with you but still enjoyed the report. Let "zero" have the last word--only the guy who has had the most beer can win a pissing contest--but don't stop reporting on your hunts. I look forward to hearing more about them.

Flame away, zero, you're off my radar screen--even if you had good intentions. Your hostile presentation and negativity reduce your credibility to---"zero'.

I'd just like to add that I am a Newfoundlander, I currently live in Newfoundland, and am currently in the process of filling my Moose tags for a Bull Moose while hunting Area 34.

I could've tagged out my first day, had I so chosen, but I want a particular animal. That said, I've spent probably 25 days in the woods since opening day (Oct. 1) and seen hundreds of caribou and moose, including some monsters that I was very tempted to shoot, but they were located in such hard to reach areas I would've had to take my frying pan and sack of onions with me and ate him there!

I'm enjoying spending time in the woods with my father and brother and my buddy Lester (who also has an either sex license). We honestly don't want to tag out right now, 'cause we're having too much fun!

That said, I would like to make it crystal clear that I don't know Horace Lane and as resident Newfoundlander, I don't have the need to book a Moose, Caribou or Black Bear hunt with River Run Outfitters or any other outfitter for that matter.

As such, non-resident hunters need to keep in mind that Newfoundland has just about the highest moose population density per square kilometer than any other place in the world. In heavily hunted areas that are popular with residents, such as my home area 34 (Bay de Verde) success rates are in the 80-90% rate! Outfitters DO NOT have to worry about finding animals!!! Finding a true trophy animal is a little tougher, but they're there if you are willing to wait for them.

As for your comments concerning the "qaulity" of animals available to hunters booking with Horace Lane, that's bullshit, pure and simple. I've hunted some of the same areas where Horace Lane runs his operation out of and have taken great animals, in fact I still have a couple of Caribou racks in the loft of my barn along with a nice Moose rack. As I'm a meat hunter, I never really paid much heed to "trophy" antlers...just how much "he" was going to dress, which equaled how much meat me and my family would have for the winter!

Since you've never hunted with River Run Outfitters or Horace Lane, frankly, I don't know why you've made such an issue of talking out of your ass, bashing a man you don't know, have never hunted with...- and then decided to jump all over another board member who simply wanted to share with everybody his hunt of a lifetime. Until you actually hunt with the man and experience for yourself the "quality" or lack thereof involved with his hunts, its time to shut the hell up, stop talking out of your ass, and apologize to the original poster for shitting all over what should've been a fun thread for him.

just reading the posts of COLD ZERO and NUG it is very clear to me that COLD ZERO is a wannabe hunter and NUG is a real honest to goodness hunter willing to tell everyone about a fantastic hunt he just had. personally i have been hunting in newfoundland since 1998 and have found the people to be nothing but hard working and very pleasant. the animal density is why i go there rather than some other location. why go to a place where there is no or very little game, it dosen't make much sense. As for COLD ZERO imo he should stop bashing others and take a good look at his dilussions of hunting in general. from his post one would think he is the only person who knows how to find and rate outfitters--geeeese, give us a break COLD