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any one seen them around on the news stands or have they gone buy the wayside ???? | ||
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Saw it on the magazine stand in a Walmart a week ago, so they must still be around. I quit buying them when I found out the editor hunts alot behind high fences in Sask and Manitoba. I should have guessed when the cover had a 440 bull elk taken in Manitoba. The problem I had with the story was not once did he mention it was a fenced in game farm, except the next page had the add for the hunt farm with him and his bull as the picture. Some letters were wrote to the magazine in which he defended it saying it was hunting no matter if they are fenced in. Just put a bad tatse on the whole magazine even thought there is some excellent story's from around the world. It should be about the hunt not the killing of a grain fed hand raised elk, the is called an abatiore. But it is still not the same since the founder of the magazine sold it. | |||
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ps: for the record, I agree with everything Jetboater said. I can't stand the magazine anymore. They still owe me for 2yrs of a 3yr subscription, but I was not one of the people that even bothered phoning them about it....I won't miss the mag for 5 minutes. The estate hunting crap and Ray Oelerich's feeble attempts to defend it put me off completely. I have almost every single issue of BGA ever published. It started going downhill the day the Oelerich's bought it. I can't even stand the publishing quality...I've never seen so many photos butchered and inverted (mirror-imaged). I feel sorry for them as a fellow human, but I won't miss the magazine and it won't be a constant reminder of what they did to what I used to think was one of the best mags out there. Nowicki, Shockey and Schwanky built a damn fine thing. I can't beleive the over-dramatization of his buffalo hunt though...sheesh...quit hunting forever....get real. What a joke. Either he has no sack whatsoever, or his family is a real bunch of winners (who would ask a hunter to quit hunting??????). He was hunting bison on a ranch for crying out loud. Anyway, I am getting myself wound up, so I think I'll go have a beer and chill.  Cheers, Canuck | |||
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I'm not sure I would beleive anything he says. A friend in Alberta told me he started an SCI Chapter, had a couple of fund raisers, bringing in over $50,000 and then kept all the money. He didn't pay the outfitters or deliver on the hunts. Gator A Proud Member of the Obamanation "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them." George Orwell | |||
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It used to be my favorite magazine...I am only sad that I never was aware of it sooner, as I missed quite a few of the earlier editions. One of my favorite stories was the school children bison hunt in Yukon that was written by a fellow that used to post here (and I met and fished with in Whitehorse) "Yukoner"- Canuck probably remembers him. It started to go down big time wiht the fenced hunts. I'm not necessarily "opposed" to *some* fenced hunts- I did one for wild boars with bows on a ranch,and it was anything but "canned." We worked our asses off. I'm not opposed to the bison "hunts" on ranches in Alberta, either. I only request that you call it what it is- Not fair chase. I wouldn't have minded if they had a few of those stories, but it seemed as if Olerich just cruised around popping farm animals all the time. That and the "advertising brochure" look of the new magazine was too much to take. It was the size of a Cabelas master catalogue, but with more ads than content. Yes, ads pay the bills, but this was over the top. The magazine was difficult to read becasue of text superimposed on pictures, different colours, odd shaped text boxes etc. Frankly, it reminded me more of a poorly done MAXIM magazine than a hunting mag. And "almost killed" by a bison and give up hunting??? He didn't get a scratch!! I've had lots of hair raising experiences while hunting, some of them resulting in injuries, and I'm still at it. I am sure many of us have endured truck wrecks, jetboat wrecks, being stuck out all night with no camp, etc. That's alot more dangerous than a bison charge with no stomping or goring!! A coupel of weeks ago I was stalked by a bear. Of course, I had Mr 375 Ruger with me, but that thing crept right up on us when we were having lunch, and that's a bit spookier than a charge you see coming. I went right back in the same spot next chance I got... Sorry about the health issues, feel bad for the staff that have been afflicted but honestly, that is part of life. Working in a ski resor I deal with staff injuries and sometimes they drop like flies. Broken legs/arms/heads..the show must go on, and we just "deal with it" 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Yeah, that was a great story. I haven't heard from Darryl in a long time. My Pa says that they are advertising for guys to do that hunt this year. Cheers, Chris | |||
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Hope Daryl is okay. He had some health problems due to overexposure to chemicals. He's pretty damn robust though, so maybe he just can't be bothered to use a computron. 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Big Game Adventures was decent when it first came out but I don't bother with it now. Way too many advertisements and for the most part the stories involve high dollar hunts to exotic places, that the average guy (Demonical) cannot afford. Easily the best hunting magazine for sale today is Big Buck magazine, since for the most part, it deals with average guys. None of that "how to bull-shit" either... | |||
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He must have forgot that he was hold the pail of Oats while he was out feeding the Bison. Some of those animals get fairly aggressive when you are holding their candy pail.  I agree with everybody else, when that BGA first started it was great. But it went downhill quickly after all of the management changed. I stopped after a Canadian based magazine started to require my subscription be paid in $US and be sent to Idaho or where ever that was. I have also quit with Big Buck. I am tired of reading about how Garry Donald thinks the Sask. gov should be managing the deer herds. And if I have to read one more story about how Client A shot a great buck hunting with Outfitter B I am going to puke. I understand that the ads pay the bills but it use to be the majority of the stories were from normal guys across the prairies. The last few years it changed and it seams that every other story is about a outfitter followed by his ad. sorry for the rant. Graylake | |||
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I agree with you on all that Graylake, but I can still stomach it enough that I continue with my subscription....I really like the format and concept in general, but it has gone downhill a little over time (related to the points you raise). Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Graylake, Every year at my Dad's ranch we would do a round up of his entire herd, and move them through chutes to check on general health, tags, etc, and to put the ear tags on the calves of the year. I am sure you are familiar with the process. Anyhoo, even the tamest bison are still pretty wild. My Pa and I would get into a 60'x60' pen with about 25 to 30 of them at a time, and chase them into the chutes. Many (most!) times I had bison refuse to go in the chute and turn back on us and run all around us, practically grazing you on the way by. I have some of this on video. I bet Ray Oelrich would have crapped his pants. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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I'm not a fan of Big Buck either, but for differnet reasons. Most of the stories arent' written well and are kinda boring. Pics are nice, I suppose, but there isn't much "adventure" in the stories. 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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I was just thinking I hadn't seen it for a while, kind of hard to believe he wrote that garbage and posted it on his website. | |||
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I gotta defend Big Buck Magazine. As far as Garry Donald's editorial stuff about the Saskatchewan Gov't policies, Meh... So what? I don't really concern myself about those articles, although I read 'em. I really don't know if he's right or wrong. As far as the quality of the writing, again I don't care. If I want serious literature, I'll read a book... Sure there are a lot of the stories that talk about so-and-so that went to Alberta/Sask/B.C. on a guided hunt, and then you may see ads for the outfitter(s), but there's damn few ads as compared to most, and like I say, none of that bullshit how-to boredom you see in the US rags. Sure there are an awful lot of stories that talk about guys that get a huge trophy buck by driving up to a pasture, stepping out of a truck and blasting the big buck, but you also have excellent stories like those lads from B.C. that shot a mega mule deer, hunting on foot in 2' deep snow. The stories don't sugar-coat the actual events and I like the fact based nature of the stories. The reason I like Big Buck is it is simply the best medium going, that recognizes some amazing trophy deer, elk, moose etc. It celebrates the animals, and I read it to see them, not the hunters. There's just no other publication that does a better job of show-casing these exceptional animals. Take it for that and it is damn good. | |||
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I have to say his excuse for the late magazine seems a little much, sure hope it is not as bad for his family and staff as he makes it sound, be kinda tragic, but really why tell everyone that much, seems it would be kinda personal if I was having that much trouble. Sorry to hear one buffalo scared him that much, that is what is called ADVENTURE, otherwise it is just slaughtering cattle in a pen. Big buck is alright mostly for the pictures of big deer, but it does get a bit boring. I do have to say of the half a dozen guys I know personally that have published stories in Big buck, they are only running 50% on the truth being told, with one guy not even being close to what where and when he actually shot his book deer lol. That of course has no bearing on the magazine or the publisher as they sure would not know the whole story. Personally would not send in pictures and stories, but no one likes looking at my mug, not that I have shot more than a couple worthy ones. | |||
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^ Jetboater I don't think it's too surprising that guys don't want people to know exactly where they were when they shot a big buck. There sure are lots of the stories in Big Buckthat I speed read, but I NEVER get bored with seeing big bucks. | |||
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Well it wasn't the ones that want to keep there spots secret that I meant. At least two of them forgot to mention the darkness and one forgot to mention he had to sneak back after dark to retrieve the deer as they had no permission. Just different ethics for some. The one has been charged for numerous violations, so it catch's up to them eventually. I do know one from Whitecourt there that was not to spot on with the location but it was taken all legally, even if the rumours said otherwise, 212 non typ if I remember right. One reason I would not likley post a story, the rumours that tend to fly around can put a bad taste to the actual event. I shot a grizz by swan hills a few years ago, later the story I heard back about who helped me find it and how it was shot amazed me, considering i hunted 35 days mostly alone, and was alone when it was shot. Kinda funny but made me wonder where story's start. | |||
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I know of a couple bucks from the magazine that were also poached...you definitely have to take the stories with a healthy heaping of salt. As an example...a big non-typical whitey from the Peace in BC a couple years ago...seems everyone in town knows it was shot the day before the season opened. Guess there just wasn't enough evidence to charge them though?? Could just be vicious rumors though, but that wouldn't explain how my a friend and I heard about it on opening day.  Cheers, Canuck | |||
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^ If "everyone in town knows about it" and nobody reports it then the people in that place evidently don't have a problem with poaching. That seems like a sad situation to me. I hate it when people bring up shit like this but don't bother to report it; in my mind they are just as guilty as the guy(s) shooting a day early It's also true that people tend to get jealous cuz somebody else got lucky and shot a nice head. I guess all we can do is make the best of it, keep forging ahead and all do our part to hunt ethically and legally. | |||
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I hate it when guys jump to incorrect conclusions and then make judgements. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Well knowing it and proving it in court can be a different thing. I know lots of drug dealers, but having the proof to put it in front of a judge to get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt is another. In the worst 2 cases I am thinking of the guy who shot it told me the real story some time after the fact, that does not make it prosecutable especially after the statute of limitations has expired. I have also seen the jealosy thing where the rumours start up and paint an honest hunter with poaching just because he killed a good one. The old i couldn't do it so he must have poached it theory. As to myself I don't worry about the big ones to much anymore, have to much into taxidermy already, and have no room to hang my goat or the grizzly. Maybe in the next house. | |||
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I also loved the early version, as they were the main magazine talking about North American sheep hunting to any extent. But then it got to where more and more of the stories were about shooting beind wire. At times about half of them. What made it worse was the editor's attitude. He called non-behind-wire hutners hypocrits and said that hunting in Austrialia was the equivalent, because the animals could not get off the "island." Then in another issue he said hutning behind wire was better for working people. They could fly into a place on night, shoot a B&C buck (which could not be placed in the bok-IF the shooter is honest about it) the next morning, then fly back home that night. He thought it was great because you would only be gone for about 36 hours, yet still kill a huge buck. I thought the best thing for me to do was let the subscription lapse. I never even opened the last two issues I got. Round filed them as soon as they came in. | |||
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I gave up on Big Game Adventures when they started with all the game farm stories. | |||
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I gave up on the magazine when a past client wrote up a story about a hunt he did with me and the editor wrote and told me that unless I paid for an advertisement that my name would be deleted from the article. I didn't and it was. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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That is shameful... I bet it was worded "to be fair to our outfitter advertisers, I cannot run an articel for you , which is in essence a advertisement...blah bla blah" 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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As a former subscriber, it is m.h.o. that BGA is good for lining animal cages floors to cat ch poop.  Cold Zero | |||
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I liked it better a few years ago than it's recent additions. Before I went to AFrica it was a must read, just for the applicable articles. The whole thing now is just goofy, fonzie actually jumped the shark tank when his editorial called the Inconvenient Truth the most significant movie ever made. | |||
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I too am in agreeance about BGM, not only does the content about canned hunts on every 4th page sicken me, Raymond Oelrich is a clown! I have a buddy who hunted with an Outfitter in the Yukon, but because Raymond got into an argument at a show with the Outfitter, he wouldnt print it. So then he claims the reason he didnt print it was due to poor grammar & spelling.....HUH, isnt that what editors are for? Also, the same type of story that happened to Phil happened to another buddy of mine, who guides for an Outfitter in BC. When he shot his Mountain Goat a few yrs back, Raymond wouldnt publish the story unless the Outfitter made a contribution. So I'm guessing it would have been alright, had he not hunted in an Outfitters area!?!?!?!?! Its unforunate to have that much bad luck in one company but......you know what they say, what goes around comes around! BTW the only mags I subscribe to are Trophy Hunter, Eastmans Journal & Big Buck, no particular order on preference. Sure alot of the stories arent that great, but the pictures always are. Rod -------------------------------- "A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong" Bob Hagel | |||
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IMO, Raymond Oelrich is a tool. | |||
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Awile back Oelrich was negotiating with me for a piece to print. He told me that a printer had screwed him out of 56K and that why he couldn't get the mag out. Sure is a lot of drama surrounding this dude. | |||
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I wonder how many pieces of this magazine are out there? I know two guys in Kodiak and one in Seatlle that also think they own a piece of the magazine. At least they did 2 years ago. Gator A Proud Member of the Obamanation "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them." George Orwell | |||
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Is this the same guy who got charged by the buffalo that he was trying to get it in front of the camera and shooter by throwing sticks at it? AFTER it was wounded! Anyone that stupid deserves anything the buffalo could give him! | |||
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I often wondered if this was going on. It was kin of a coincidence that EVERY story had a full page color ad for the outfitter right after it.  I agree with most others-the magazine used to be one of my favorites. It won't be missed too much!Trophies are not dead animals...they are living memories. | |||
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Anyone know what issue was the last published? I may have to take up concerns for prepayment of advertising that wasn't fulfilled, and bet I can find a few others to join in. I just know know Ray will have more excuses ....!!!! ~Arctic~ A stranger is a friend we haven't met | |||
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Tha magazine has always been in trouble. I remember a few years ago (probably 3-4) I was talking to my taxidermist about the magazine and raymond (we live in the same town). The taxidermist said he knew somebody that worked at the Printers and they were not releasing the magazine as they had not recieved payment yet. I guess this was a recuring problem with Raymond and the Printers. I wonder how much of the current story (hard luck etc etc) is actually true. Maybe he hopes some people that he owes money to will feel bad and try not to collect. BHB | |||
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He should change the name to High Fence Killing. | |||
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 Although I'm about as pure as the driven snow ... I wouldn't mind leafing through a new edition of the magazine ... I enjoy reading about hunting far off places ... for darn near everything except maybe turkeys ..and if that was Old Mexico .. I'd probably enjoy that too ...  | |||
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Funny you should mention turkeys...a few years back I remember reading in BGA's letters section how a subscriber loved the mag because they published REAL adventure-hunt yarns and no turkey stories, because...and I paraphrase as well as I can..."Turkeys? Who cares about turkeys?" I couldn't help but think how my back-forty turkey and deer hunts here at home were truer to the spirit of hunting than most of the mag's so-called "adventures". And yes, the bit about comparing hunting on an island-continent (Australia) to a high-fence area...talk about over the top! John | |||
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