I am pleased to hear that the Conservative government has created a committee to figure out how to best dismantle the long gun registry. As we all know, the long gun registry has cost Canadian taxpayers more than $1 billion so far and has an annual operating cost of $90 million.

Cracking down on law-abiding hunters and sport shooters will not make the streets of Toronto any safer or more dangerous. The long gun registry misses the mark. The funds that support the registry must be used to hire police officers, border guards and the required infrastructure to target and punish the criminal and illegal use of firearms

From www.keepandbeararms.com

I heard that Stockwell Day, looked into the spending and said it was staggering! Money, he said, that was better served elsewhere! I feel the black cloud lifting!!!!

Looking back I think the first estimates were around 5 million dollars. But then who can believe a liberal. Thanks to the good work of a lot of free thinking Canadians it just didn’t work out. I’m thinking it’s time to cut your loses and just dump the whole program and get rid of a bunch of bureaucrats that need a real job. Oh and make sure the data is destroyed.

Now that we seem to have a government that has some sense regarding the gun issue I think that we can breathe a bit easier. My recent thought is in the US if Hillary gets in (god forbid) what happens then in the US?

quote:

Originally posted by hoehne:
Now that we seem to have a government that has some sense regarding the gun issue I think that we can breathe a bit easier. My recent thought is in the US if Hillary gets in (god forbid) what happens then in the US?

You got it.

Sent in my application to renew 6 weeks ago.They charged my card and have still not responded.

shootaway


As you can see the whole idea behind the registry is to make it hard on gun owners to weed out the weak.

It is common to delay ect hopeing that you'll get tired of the process and give up your guns.

Lets hope it dies.

What is all of this going to mean for folks from other countries who wish to bring guns into Canada for legal purposes like hunting and giving gifts to friends and sports shooting, etc.

My fear is that govt being govt, they will pull the hard drives and save them before trashing this whole unsavoury mess.
Personally I would like to see the handgun registration gone too since it has been around for over 60 years and hasn't done a thing to stop gun violence.
The system of proficiency testing though is something else. One should prove their ability before owning a firearm or going hunting. derf

The inference I get from the anti-gun Toronto Star whose writers are mainly lackies of the Liberal party, is that the gun registration has already been passed out of federal hands on to the Ontario Provincial Police. I think alot of people who shouldn't have the registry already have it and that is why collectors are being targeted by criminals in Toronto. Somebody is feeding or selling the information.

Somethings smells about this whole gun thing in Canada and I think it important to trace the financing and directors of the Citizen Co-alition for gun control which is widely quoted by the Star, and seems to work hand in hand with the Star, but seems to only to have 4 members and unlimited funds.

I would look to George Soros, who name sounds Greek but is a Hugarian Jew billionaire, whose real name is Schwartz oddly enough like Paul Martin's bag man Gerry Schwarz, to be somewhere in the background although I am not sure there is a link. But it is a logical link. Because the NRA says Soros is financing the UN's anti gun stance for example and they have an office at a university in Waterloo , Ontario.

I personally do not take the Star's moral high road very seriously. I once worked for Jim Hornick who was the Star's Managing editor for about 14 years. He explained the the Star was built on the bones of crippled kids.

He said the original owner (I think his name was Holy Joe Atkinson or something similar) left the entire profits of the Star to cripple kids when he died.

But some of the directors including Beland Honderich and Martin Goodman, both now dead, and a couple of others arranged to have an Order-in-Council made overturning the will taking control of the paper away from crippled children and putting it into their own hands thus, over the years, swindling crippled kids out of millions if not billions of dollars.

Jim also said Honderich kept a special guarded room where he gathered and compiled personal files on all his employees digging up any dirt he could so he could fire them at will.

The Star masquerades as having a social conscience but in my opinion it is as evil an institution as exists in Canada. Another writer who worked for them alleged to me that the job of Star reporter was used as cover for active Mossad agents and he gave me a name but I have no idea if this is true. If it is true then it isn't even a newspaper just some kind of evil blob on the shore of Lake Ontario.

A Star writer also told me that the RCMP took evidence regarding a famous hockey lawyer for Team Canada (whose name escapes me but I can get it) illegal activites to the Star many times and they refused to publish it because he was an icon and they did not have the balls.

That is why it was eventually published in American newspapers and he was jailed in the states.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline



But don't expect to hear about this any time soon. The media in Canada is the most cowardly and incompetent in the history of the English speaking peoples.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline



VBR,


Ted

I wonder if there is any connection(s) here to Moses Znaimer, another TO media tycoon and/or the infamous Aspers of Winnipeg, who dominate the Canadian media. It was the patriarch of this family, the notorious Liberal "backroom boy", Israel Asper, who, just before the 9/11 atrocity published a frontpage article in many of his newspapers, nation-wide, that stated that England and Canada had helped Hitler kill Jews due to the Balfour, blah, blah, blah.

I would have struck him down for this, but, of course, he was a buddy and confidant of "Crooked tongue Jean" himself and basically untouchable. The Mossad has operated in Canada with impunity for decades, protected by stupid, venal, corrupt Canadian politicians.

A further example of this chicanery is the tax monies to be wasted on the so-called "Museum of Human Rights" to be built in the 'Peg. It will have a huge display on the "Holocaust" which was a part of WWII that had nothing to do with Canada and has NO place in a Canadian museum. Remember that these tax dollars were promised by the same government that couldn't find money for The Juno Beach Memorial, until shamed into it or to buy the WWI medals of Lt. Col. John McCrae...BUT, they spent a cool quarter-million on a Sikh temple here in B.C.....the horrific face of the Lieberal traitors!

I have always belived that the gun control fiasco was a cover-up for a far more sinister agenda and anyone who knows Canadian and 20th Century history can figure out what is really happening. Soros should be deported and ALL media "empires" dismantled with any foreign owners stripped of their citizenship and deported, it's time for REAL Canadians to play "hardball".

It would be interesting to compile a file on the anti-gun movement on the internet that contained 1) facts such as a copy of the Order in council overturning Holy Joe Atkinson's will and 2) Links, such as for example, the list of the present and past directors of Power Corp in Montreal which seems to be the heart of the Liberal party and includes people like Trudeau's very close friend Michael Pitfield,former Clerk of the Privy Council, and at one time that very strange advisor of Trudeau, Cretien, Paul Martin and Kofi Annan named Maurice Strong.

Strong really does march to the beat of a different drummer and he is somehow linked to the old UN oil for food program with Saddam Hussein.

I suspect you would just end up with a list of rich guys trying to get richer but you might find more because something smells. Something smells.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline

quote:

Originally posted by hoehne:
Now that we seem to have a government that has some sense regarding the gun issue I think that we can breathe a bit easier. My recent thought is in the US if Hillary gets in (god forbid) what happens then in the US?

Isn't the party in power the ones who started it all>I remember John "Crouton"in his election campaign promising that his party would get rid of gun control and GST.Neither happened except Sponsorship more taxpayers money down the drain

The intent to register and confiscate firearms in Canada began in 1968 with Pierre Trudeau, the Liberal Party, and Bill C-51. It was what they call an Omnibus bill about Peace and Security but in fact it was just a smoke and mirrors bill using Quebec separatism as a screen to enable the Liberals to put legislation in place to eventually confiscate private firearms. They have always been supported in this by the NDP which is really just the teacher's Union. The NDP alleges to support blue collar workers but don't. The socialist CBC keeps them propped up and alive.

I attended the meeting of a group called Casal or the Canadian Association for Firearms Legislation at thsi time. They were people representing hunters trappers etc who attended.

What was scary about the meeting was that amongst the duck hunters there was a plant in the meeting from Canadian Army intelligence. He was recognized immediately and I will dig up his name and put it on the internet. He was representing some bogus group.

There was alot of hanky panky going on at that time. I am not sure what it all meant. I remember attending a very disturbing Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters meeting in London, Ontario.

There was a fine old gentleman named Burt Bush who I think was president of the Ontario Hangun Association. He was a high school principal. One of his sons was in the RCMP. In about 1933 he had toured Nazi Germany on a bicycle as an alleged tourist gathering information about the locations of military and industrial installations. There was no finer man in Canada.

He had some tough questions to ask the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters executive about what they planned to do to oppose the legislation.

The unsubstantiated rumour was the leadership had sold out the membership.

There was a line up of guys asking questions. The questions were pretty tame. Burt was in the line and his questions were very pointed. I could hardly wait.

I saw Lloyd Libke and Rick Morgan from OFAH exchange hand signals when they saw Burt in line and the questioning was stopped with the man ahead of Burt. I will never forget that. I saw those signals clearly with my own eyes.

Burt thought highly of the RCMP but he was no fool and I know Burt felt that it was conflict of interest to have someone in the police like Lloyd Libke (he had been in the RCMP and worked for Winchester selling bullets)looking out for the interests of hunters.

If you punch Lloyd Libke's name into the internet you will see that today he makes his living today selling bullets in bulk to police departments. Lloyd is a likable guy and always supported OFAH with auction prizes etc. but in my opinion he represented conflicting interests at that time.

A side bar to this meeting is that all major Canadian media was there because they thought there was going to be a showdown between OFAH and the Liberal government. That is what everybody though. It was the logical thing to happen.

But nothing happened. Nothing. After that no major media ever again showed up at an OFAH convention.

There were also all kinds of spontaneous public meetings at that time, the only true spontaneous meetings I ever saw in Canada. In Stratford Ontario there were so many people who gathered at City hall to protest Trudeau's gun regulations that they spilled out into the street. I was there. The same in Orangeville. I was there too. The politicians from both parties ignored the protests.

Ross Milne, a big wheel in the Liberal Party, had won his seat by about 10,000 votes. After the protests he lost the next election by about the same number. The role of shooters in this was never mentioned by the press.

There was also a guy floating around at that time named Bill Jones who started the NFA and who was a charismatic speaker. Reminded me of Billy Graham. He defended gun owners to the hilt in many public debates and then he simply disappeared from view. I have no idea who he was, where he came from, or where he went.

Anyhow that was the start of gun registration and confiscation in Canada. Pierre Trudeau and bill C-51 kicked it off.

This whole story about it being caused by some nut in Montreal shooting some Lesbian women is bogus. Completely bogus. The plan has been on the Liberal party agenda for 38 years.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline

Here in Australia, the Howard federal government spent $AU637m on the gun buyback, then $AU126m on a pistol buyback and spent a further $AU114m per year over the last 10 years on maintaining a long arm register. That is over $AU2b in the past 10 years.

Add to that, every shooter pays $AU31.20 for transfer fees on every gun purchased, $AU200 per year in shooting club fees ans $AU900 for safe storage compliance and the whole exercise would come close to $AU3.5b

It takes a brave government to admit to a $3.5b failure and I guess ours won't; they lack the guts to admit it!

Are you still in the firearms/sports business Ted? I bought from you 20 odd years ago.
My buddy Ron D, (my daughters father in law) bought the store in Rocky way back when.
Wayne

The Coalition for Gun Control has received some big grants from the federal gov't for studies, and I wouldn't be surprised that if you dug deep enough you'd find that Wendy is probably getting some sort of honorarium from the CFC, in an "advisory" capacity. Don't know that for sure, but wouldn't be surprised, as I said.

AFA George Soros, he's anti-gun, no doubt about it. I just wonder WTF his nationality and religion have to do with it? Lots of Christians from countries all over the world are anti-gun and contribute money to anti-gun causes, too. This kind of crap doesn't serve our cause, period. It's also caused me to distance myself from some really knowledgeable shooters, because I really don't want to be considered part of the Tinfoil Hat Brigade.

I have never been in the firearms business. I was born in Ontario but I have been a PH in Africa for the last 18 years.

I grew up as a boy hunting woodchucks and European hares in the farmlands of south western Ontario and that is how I got into it.

My mentor was an old man named Frank Wreford from Stratford, Ontario. Now the place is called "The Festival City" but when I was a boy it was for sure "Gun City."

Last time I went there I went to the Queen's Hotel and it was nice to see the boys were talking about moose hunting and not Shakespeare.

When Frank was a boy he used to bounce bullets from his pistols off the cement bridge in downtown St Marys and nobody noticed. If you did that today there would be a SWAT team and helicopter on your back. Its TV that has wound this thing up.

His son has tons of photos of Frank and his pistols hunting all over Ontario. Neat old photos with model T Fords and dead deer, woodchucks, bears and rabbits.

Frank hunted in Canada with handguns his whole life and no one knew it. It was illegal in the end but not when he started early in the century it was legal. Nobody bothered him. He used to load all the handgun bullets for the police in Stratford Ontario. But when he died he said, " I don't feel free in Canada any more."

What impressed me most back then was the genuine sense of utter outrage with Trudeau's gun laws. I have never before or since seen what amounted to a genuine public uprising over any other issue in Canada.

I know the media in Toronto used to pay people $15 to burn the American flag- that kind of thing - but these were orchestrated bogus issues and I am sure the current so-called Citizens Co-alition on gun control is just another bought and paid for Lobby with no real grass roots base.

Canada isn't really a democracy. Its a Monarc hy. You vote your MPs in but then they appoint the senate which can veto legislation. Harper is on the right track with an elected Senate.

I swear to God that until I am in my grave I will do everything in my power to block, interfere with and destroy the Liberal Party of Canada. It isn't good enough that they be allowed to regroup. This last election has to be the beginning of their Diem Bien Phu. They, and their supporting institutions have to disappear of the face of the earth forever.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline

quote:

Originally posted by Jack Sullivan:
Isn't the party in power the ones who started it all>I remember John "Crouton"in his election campaign promising that his party would get rid of gun control and GST.Neither happened except Sponsorship more taxpayers money down the drain

Sorry dude but that was the Liberals. In power now is the party that brought GST & Free Trade, the Conservatives. The only thing good this time around is the de-crimilization of responsible gun owners.

The party in power now also brought us the for-runner to the gun registry. As Justice Minister in 1990 or 91, Kim Campbell implemented changes that the Lieberals just built on. Implementing tougher gun laws was just part of her agenda for her run at the Conservative Party leadership. Of course, as with any gun law, the changes didn't affect criminals.

There are plenty of anti-gun Christians. Bill and Hillary Clinton and Sarah Brady being three famous ones.

But ask yourself why did an Alabama girl move into the heart of Jewish New York. Who will pay for her election campaign and why.

I think its very important to know who people are, where they get their money, what their vested interests are, and where they are coming from.

Lots of people change their names to hide the facts.

And there is nothing going on out there in the Canadian media except smoke and mirrors.

When a Tanzanian gets a hotel room he has to fill in his tribal affiliation. The hotel owners can predict his behaviour that way.

Here is an interesting little story. About two months ago a story appeared in the early morning edition of the Globe and Mail. It was killed in all later editions. The only people who read it were night watchmen going home.

The story revealed that the Israeli Air Force is practising pin point bombing in Alberta. Sounds harmless doesn't it. It isn't harmless.

Canada has peace keepers on the Golan heights and the only way they can retain their credibility is by being neutral. If they are percieved as part of a military helping Israel they become an enemy of the Palestinians and a target.

The Paul Martin government put the lives of Canadian peace keepers at risk by aiding the Israeli military. Why is that. My guess is because his bagman Gerry Schwartz of Onyx Corporation is Jewish and Martin owes him favours.

But who was Paul Martin supposed to be looking out for. Why Canadians. That's who. Regardless of their religious affiliation.

There is something deeply wrong with the Liberal party. I think they are simply very corrupt because they have been in power a very long time. But who owns them. That is the question.

Certainly Power Corp does. One of Paul Demarais kids is married to one of Cretien's kids. What about the Hong Kong Triad? They have lots of heroin money and they are now based in Toronto. Who else.

Here is something I would like to find out about. Does anyone out bthere know the facts. I hear that Paul Martin gave his own company, Canada Steamship Lines, a $160 million grant while he was Minister of Finance. Is that true? If so why is there not rioting in the streets in Canada? Why isn't it in the newspapers? It amounts to taking $5 out of the pocket of every Canadian including babies in cribs for himself. He just reached into the cribs and snatched the money out of their hands.

I don't live in Canada any more so I get these stories in an irregular way, usually off the internet. But I would like to know the facts about Canada Steamship Lines.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline

So the Hong Kong Triad is Jewish, too?

Greed and lust for power are not religions. They are not nationalities. And they don't have to change their names. They're common in all races and religions.

Your problem is the Liberal Party of Canada. Oppose it, deal with it, fight it - whatever you want. But don't pass it off as some worldwide conspiracy of a particular faith. The same faith that Christianity grew out of. If you believe in the Old Testament, then you have the same beliefs as Jews.

Dear Fischer,

I didn't say the Triad was Jewish. You said I did. I didn't say there was a world wide conspiracy. You said I did.

My problem is with the Liberal Party that is true. But the Liberal party is financed by vested interets and I want to know who they are.

As I said Power Corp is for sure one. And this encompasses people on the board of directors like Michael Pitfield who you will remember was Trudeau's Clerk of the privy council. It has included people like Maurice Strong. It includes people like Paul Demarais whose offspring are married to Cretiens offspring. None of these people are Jews.

Its a legitimate question to ask who is Gerry Schwartz of Onyx Corporation because he raised money for Martin. From what I have been able to discover so far he worked for a firm in New York whose owner pulled off the biggest swindle in American corporate history, stealing some $5 billion in some scam, and who ended up dying in Cuba because it was the only place he was safe from American law enforcment agencies. That's not Gerry Schwartz but it was the boss of a company he worked for and its worth filing away in the back of your head for future reference.

You are inferring that by asking questions I am anti-semetic. I am not. I once spent two weeks in a safari camp with Vladimir Gusinski. He is one of the Russian Oligarchs and the number two man in the International Jewish Congress. He is one of the guys that Putin tossed out of Russia.

I asked him about the history of the Jews. He said Jewish scholars have determined that the Jews and Arabs came from the exact same tribe about 4,700 years ago. They have been fighting ever since.

If that is true I would draw the conclusion that the most anti-semetic people in the world are the Jews and the Arabs. They just keep killing each other. Watch the news.

You can't stop asking questions just because somebody keeps throwing the holocaust in your face.

My grandfather eventually died of mustard gas poisoning from WW1. My father's brother was killed in the Battle of the Rhineland when he was 18 year old. My family has never had anything to do with any anti semetic act any where.

But don't try to tell me that I ought not ask questions about the financing and links of a member of the Liberal party because he is a Jew.

Does it not strike you as odd that a Christian woman from Alabama named Hillary Clinton has moved right into the middle of a Jewish stronghold in New York City. Why is she not running in Alabama? Do you not wonder about things like that?


VBR,


Ted Gorsline




The Brits have it right when they say, "sticks and stones can break my bones but word cannot hurt me."



But there are sure to be others. Who are they, what are they doing and what do the they want.

I didn't say any of that. You alluded to it. You brought up the Triad. Same as "You can't stop asking questions just because somebody keeps throwing the holocaust in your face." I never mentioned the Holocaust.

You can ask all the questions you want about the financing and links of the Liberal party. You can dig all you want for information about white collar crooks and political power brokers. I'm as pissed as you that our democratic system is tainted by the kind of dirty, behind the scene dealings that the Liberal Party of Canada has refined to an art form. But you go too far when you insinuate that the reason someone is crooked is because they are from a particular religion. You go too far when you suggest that someone changes their last name in order to be able to be MORE crooked.

And BTW, Hillary Clinton is from Illinois, but practised law in ARKANSAS, not Alabama. She probably ran for governor of NY because she knew that's where she (a liberal) was more likely to get elected by other liberals. It's a political mindset that people of any religion can subscribe to, and that appears to be a fairly prevalent mindset in urban areas. NYC is one of the biggest urban areas in the US. And liberalism has nothing to do with a person's last name or nationality, either.

Fischer, you are "crying wolf" here and it is quite obvious that you have a personal agenda. The fact is that Ted did NOT say anything negative about Jews and you're the one making insinuations. This is a typical trick in debate and is very common in Canada right now; a person comments on the East Indian shootings in the B.C. Lower Mainland, for example and is immediately branded a "racist"....what utter bullshit!

The Jews have consistently manipulated political opinion in Canada by using exaggerated and frequently specious references to the "Holocaust"; many Canadians are sick and tired of non-traditional immigrants, including Jews, trying to change this country and that includes some Hungarian Jew who finances anti-gun groups, got it?

Dear Mr Fischer,

I stand corrected regarding my confusion of Arkansas and Alabama. You may also be correct about Hillary picking a Liberal area to run for office. And some of my other facts may be a bit off but they are not far wrong. I don't get paid for this so I shoot from the hip. But my suspicion is the Jews have the money and media Hillary needs to get publicity and she has the Christian votes they need to get power because the Jewish population is not that large. I think its a trade.

The Jews have huge influence in the USA for such a small group. The United States has sent half it Foreign Aid to Israel since the second world war. Places like Sudan are left to starve. It amounts to $3 billion a year or by now almost $200 billion. And what do they get in return. Nothing. Israel won't even let the USA have an air base. Part of the reason is the strength of the Jewish lobby (I look on the last election as the Jewish Lobby versus the NRA) and part is extortion.

I have a friend who was on an American warship during one of the recent short wars in which Israel was involved. He asked the captain why America bothered to support Israel. The Captain said "Israel has 200 nukes and if they are being overrun they will use them. If they contaminate the Saudi Oil fields with radio activity the oil will be unusable and the American economy will be destroyed. At that time it was too expensive to pull oil out of the Alberta oil sands and America was dependant on Saudi oil. Bush is right to make America independant of foreign oil. Canada should help him.

Anyhow I do enjoy ranting and raving and it gets things out in the open. I like the Brits. They don't have any respect for anything. They call it "taking the piss". I hate idealogues. They never have any sense of humour.

There are thousands of guys like Kutenay out there who have lost faith in the information they get from the media and they have good reason to think they are being conned. Just look to Dan Rather for a good example. He narrated that bogus hunting film "Guns of Autumn" and he tried to do a hatchet job on George Bush but got caught by internet nuts like us.

I love the internet. It takes the distribution of information out of the hands of an elitist few.

VBR,


Ted Gorsline

quote:

Originally posted by Ted Gorsline:
I would look to George Soros, who name sounds Greek but is a Hugarian Jew billionaire, whose real name is Schwartz oddly enough like Paul Martin's bag man Gerry Schwarz...

quote:

Originally posted by Ted Gorsline:

But ask yourself why did an Alabama girl move into the heart of Jewish New York. Who will pay for her election campaign and why...

Lots of people change their names to hide the facts.

Actually, Kutenay, the debating tactic is invoking a "strawman" and that's exactly what Ted, and now you, are doing. You're both suggesting that someone is doing something wrong 'because they are a Jew'. You don't have to say it. You're both insinuating it, when you deliberately mention their religion or last name in order to prop up your argument that they are crooked. My point is that people do wrong and evil things no matter what their religion, nationality or last name is.

What's wrong with just saying "George Soros, a liberal billionaire who is using him money to try and impose his values on other people"? It's true, and it doesn't invoke a strawman. You could even call him a ratbag, and I wouldn't care.

Who are "The Jews", anyway? Would you know a Jew if he wasn't wearing a yarmulke, or you didn't know his last name or didn't hear him speak Yiddish? I grew up with lots of people that I didn't know - or care, what their religion was, and in some cases I was truly surprised that when I was told that someone was a "Jew" because they looked and talked and lived JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

AFA your statement about East Indian crime, I agree with it. The same as Black on Black crime in Toronto. If the issue can truly and properly be described as emanating from a particular race or ethnic group, then fill your boots.

But the issue still comes back to a Federal gov't that chose to say "Come here and vote for us and you can live the way you want and make your own rules." instead of "Come here, retain your culture, retain your pride, but learn to live within our rules."

I have not made any insinuations, I have both asked questions AND made specific statements concerning the unacceptable activities of specific Jews in Canada. So, your comments are not only false, they quite obviously stem from a personal bias. I don't give a shit if you are a Jew, love Jews, hate Jews or even wear a "yarmulke" AND a "turban", my point is that Jews are involved in what I consider anti-Canadian activities and that is not acceptable to me.

As to coming to Canada and being allowed to ...retain your culture..., this is just Lieberal "multicultural" bullshit, intened to weaken Anglo-Saxon-Nordic-Celtic Canada so that the rich can dominate this country even more than they have always done. "Multiculturalism" is both an oxymoron and a blight on this country; it is a PRIVILEGE to come here and people should adapt to us, not the other way round. The Jew-dominated media strongly supports this travesty, I wonder why?

quote:

Originally posted by kutenay:
I have not made any insinuations, I have both asked questions AND made specific statements concerning the unacceptable activities of specific PEOPLE in Canada. So, your comments are not only false, they quite obviously stem from a personal bias. I don't give a shit if you are a Jew, love Jews, hate Jews or even wear a "yarmulke" AND a "turban", my point is that PEOPLE are involved in what I consider anti-Canadian activities and that is not acceptable to me.

What's the difference between what you said and what I've edited above? The difference is that your argument can be made without invoking a strawman.

My point is that non-Jews are involved in the same activities, yet you choose not to invoke their religion, nationality or last name. Get over the "Jew" bullshit and deal with the fact that there are crooked people out there who are going to use and abuse power to further their own ends.

Read my lips - "There is nothing wrong with retaining your culture, as long as you don't expect everyone else to change to suit you."

Retaining your culture and living within the rules of the society you have chosen to emigrate to are not mutually exclusive!

Ted, I accept your shoot from the hip analogy and I might even partly agree with you about your assessment re: Israel. I even harbour some of the same sentiments as Kutenay does about the media.

However, I hope you've understood my point that it is more about power and greed than it is about religion.

Dear Mr Fischer,

Your point is correct. It is about power and greed and not at all about religion. It has nothing at all to do with religion.

But it relates to culture. Religions and cultures are similar. Tons of Christians don't go to church, don't believe in God, but have their kids christened and use Christian marriages and burials.

Not because they are religious but because it is part of their culture. Their parents did it. Their grand parents did it and so on for a thousand years. It feels comfortable to be part of a team, a tribe, a culture.

Cultures are just people who have similar values and stick together. That is why you have Chinatowns. The Chinese feel most comfortable to be with people who share the same values and outlook on life.

The Jews are the same. They have been a distinct culture for 4,700 years. All sorts of other cultures have disappeared. For example, there are no more Romans. The Thracians are gone. The Vikings have disappeared. This means the Jews have a very strong culture and strong value system.

But I am always looking for links of any kind. The RCMP once had a file about the Soviets called the featherbed File that was taken from that old saying "birds of a feather stick together."If they knew who one spy was the chances are the people he hung out with were also spies.

Its legitimate to do that. Its not racist or anti-Semetic. The issue we are talking about here is gun registration and confiscation and who is trying to take our guns away.

1) For sure George Soros is trying to take them away. He brags about it. His name sounds Greek but it isn't. He is a Hungarian Jew and he is the main man pushing for one world government and the disarming of the little guy.

2) Who else - The Liberal Party of Canada. Politician like Martin are front men for vested interests who cough up election money for favours later on. And who is really behind Martin - Gerry Schwartz a guy with the same real last name as Soros. I don't know if they are related but worth noting. Is Schwartz a Hungarian?

3) Wendy Kukier. There is no public outcry demanding she lead the crusade she is leading. She runs an artificially created Lobby paid for by somebody and she gets page after page of propaganda in the Star who quotes her endlessly as if she was legit and as if people wanted to hear what she has to say. Its bogus journalism.

I am told she too is a Jew but can't prove it. But there are lots of pro gun Jews. Dave Petzal at Field and Stream is one. I have no interest in Dave Petzal at all. I am trying to follow a line of connections. The next question is are Wendy Kukier and Gerry Schwartz Hungarian.

Bringing that up the Hungarian link does not make me anti-Hungarian. I am looking for cultural similarities, birds of a feather. I wonder where the trail goes. But really what I want to find out is where do they get their money.

I think Canada is now largely in the hands of organized crime. The reason governments disarm their citizens is always because they are afraid of them. You can't loot somebody who has a gun in his hand.

We talk about the Mafia. That's Italian organized crime. But all cultures have organized crime. In Canada the home grown crowd are the bikers. But there is also a Jewish Mafia. Not all jews are Holocaust victims. The most famous Jewish mobster was Myer Lansky from Miami. I heard he was from Hungary but I am not sure.

So what have we got so far. We have Paul Martin wanting to disarm Canada. His money comes from Gerry Schwartz. Gerry Schwartz once worked for the biggest convicted Swindler in American History who ended up dying in Havannah which was Myer Lansky's old stomping ground. None of this proves anything but they are leads worth following to either prove or disprove.

Its just like tracking buffalo. You follow false leads here and false leads there. Eventually the trail becomes clearer

In the end you act like a wounded buffalo. You move on and wait and hope you aren't harassed anymore. But the harassment doesn't stop. Something keeps bugging you and in the end you have had enough. You double back and lay your own ambush.

As I say I believe its time to get rid of the Liberal Party.



VBR,


Ted Gorsline

I just looked up Myer Lansky on the internet. He was Polish, not Hungarian and he was part of the Italian mob, but an uninitiated member because he was not Italian. He was not accepted because he was from the wrong culture. So that link is a dead end.

Anyhow I am signing off for a while. I have too much work to do and my own conspiracy theories are disintegrating.

That is usually what happens with conspiracy theories. The light bulb goes and and you think you have the answer only to find out you really don't.

If you want to look anybody up to get a fairly accurate picture of who they are look for their name in Winipedia. Lots of good George Soros information there and he is definitely a hostile.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline

I hope that you won't stay away too long, Ted, I find your posts both informative and interesting. I think that there is a definite agenda here and one that is questionable within a context of Canadian historical traditions, the meaning of the original "Bill of Rights" and the current political situation in our country. However, the point is made and moving on is probably more productive than reiterating the obvious.

Agreed. I don't discount many of the concerns raised here - on their face, but felt the need to challenge some underlying assumptions.

Conspiracy theories are just that - conjecture based on a set of assumptions. As soon as one assumption is disproved, the theory either falls apart completely, or must be reconstructed based on the new information.

That's one of the things that I love about my wife. She may feel the same way I do on a lot of issues, but she will often challenge me on WHY I feel the way I do. It can be very thought provoking. And it helps me to become much more cogent and firm about what I believe and why.

Don't be a stranger, Ted. And Kutenay,

Ted,

Not to hi-jack your interesting discussion, but was just wondering if you have every checked out this website... www.470mbogo.com

I assume you are the same Ted Gorsline that Dave E. hunted with in Kilombero North? I have his video of the hunt...looks like a heckuva good time!

Back to the point of the thread, I have been enjoying the back and forth on this. It is interesting to dig into this stuff. Like you say, although it is a conspiracy theory, the trail is worth following. Where there is smoke, there is often fire. My Dad was RCMP for over 20 years, and if he taught me anything it was how to follow a trail. And he's probably a bigger conspiracy theorist than anyone I know.

Cheers and belated welcome to AR!

Canuck

Canuck, it seems to me that your dad is the same age as I am, a fine vintage indeed; did he work out of the Nelson sub-division in the 1970s, by any chance? I might have known him as I knew quite a few "Queen's Cowboys" in those years; my late mother was the Sub-Division Clerk, my late father worked as a guard and I did so, briefly, as well. (But, I am not really the law and order type!)

Hey Kutenay,

Yep, you and my Pa are pretty close...he's '47 vintage.

He never worked in Nelson. He was stationed in Whiterock, PoCo, and Surrey (doing graveyards in Walley!) early on, then Chetwynd (where I spent my formative years) and finally Sparwood (which is what brought me to the Kootenays initially). Then he "retired" to the Yukon and then "retired" again to start up a bison ranch near Hudson's Hope, about 10 years ago.

Sometimes I chuckle a little when I read your posts, because I can just picture you and my old man getting wound up about politics over a "sundowner". You guys (and I too, make no mistake) share many similar opinions.

Cheers,
Canuck

Dear Canuck,

Yes Dave Estegaard was there riding the bucking hippos down the Kilombero River with a wooden canoe for a saddle.

I have visited his site. Its excellent. His penetration tables are reliable and do seem to jive with what happens on buffalo and hippo.

I do not trust those penetration tables where flat nosed 45-70 bullets cavitate their way through miles of critter. I suspect the cavitation theory using flat nosed solids works well in ballistic jell but not when you start hitting bone and bone is what causes the problems. The plywood Dave uses is a better substitute for bone than ballistic gell.

Last year I saw a 300 grain sledge hammer solid from a 375 H&H bent into an L shape on hitting bone in a buffalo.

I can't tell you which bone because the buffalo was shot full of holes and the skinner brought me the bullet. I suspect a leg bone because they are dense.

I have seen the same bullet stop in the back of the neck of a hippo. That is go through the very thick neck muscle and stop on the skull. I have never seen a round nosed solid in a 375 H&H do that. The old RWS soilds used to whistle right through. I think its something about concentrating the energy at one small point on the bone to start the break through.

If I am using a new calibre and want to estimate what the penetration will be like I go to Dave's tables and no others. I like trying new calibres and last year it was a 500 Jeffrey. The penetration was not as good as I expected it to be and was pretty much in line with Dave's expectations.


VBR,


Ted Gorsline



VBR,


Ted Gorsline

Is not Wendy Kukier, is Cukier and I believe if she is Jewish it is Polish origin. Cukier means sugar in Polish, and Polish-Jewish from before II WW were adopting often names of that nature.

quote:

Originally posted by hound:
Are you still in the firearms/sports business Ted? I bought from you 20 odd years ago.
My buddy Ron D, (my daughters father in law) bought the store in Rocky way back when.
Wayne

You have of course heard the dry humor joke told between american gun owners about australia's "registration" program?

it goes: "Why don't Aussies water their lawns?"
Answer: "Because they want to keep their gun collection dry"

As for the Canadian registration/confiscation
program? I wish you luck...

I wish you all the best...

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