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Hunting without a guide
05 May 2004, 19:14
<Guest>Hunting without a guide
Is there anywhere in Canada that a non-resident can hunt big game without hiring a guide?
Blue
Southern Ontario doesn't require a guide, some of the western provinces don't require a "hired" guide, but instead you require a friend or relative to guide you.
~Arctic~
06 May 2004, 03:31
YukonerYou can hunt whitetail in southern Saskatchewan without a guide.
Daryl
06 May 2004, 10:21
Frans DiepstratenI think you can in some parts of Quebec, but it also depends on the species.
Frans
06 May 2004, 13:01
Chuck NelsonIn Alberta, you can hunt with a friend for certain species. I think sheep are out, and so is anything on draw.
Chuck
06 May 2004, 16:02
CaribooA non-resident alien may only hunt big game in BC when using the services of a registered guide except for one lone exception. A resident can apply for a permit to accompany a close non-resident alien relative, ie Father, Mother , brother or sister.
06 May 2004, 16:37
<Guest>So what you are all saying is that if I wanted to hunt sheep anywhere in Canada I would have to hire a guide in order to do so.
Blue
06 May 2004, 17:10
Oscar MakonkaFor sheep you'll definately need a guide unless you become a resident here.
06 May 2004, 17:20
stubblejumperQuote:
You can hunt whitetail in southern Saskatchewan without a guide.
Only if you are a canadian resident.Non- canadians can't hunt whitetail in southern saskatchewan at all except on indian reservations.
06 May 2004, 17:31
stubblejumperQuote:
For sheep you'll definately need a guide unless you become a resident here
Quote:
I think sheep are out, and so is anything on draw
By the alberta definition, a non resident is a canadian resident that does not qualify for an alberta resident license while a non canadian is considered a non-resident alien.A non resident can hunt bighorn sheep with a hunter host(if they draw a non resident license) while a non-resident alien can't hunt sheep without a guide.A non resident can hunt with a special draw license with a hunter host if he draws the special license while a non resident-alien can't.
07 May 2004, 03:01
<Guest>Well, in studying many of the States laws, it appears to me that Canadians have many many opportunities to hunt several different species here without a guide, including sheep, if they are lucky enough to draw a tag.
I wonder why the disparity???
Blue
07 May 2004, 06:04
Chuck NelsonCould be because they're completely different countries.
Chuck
07 May 2004, 06:06
Chuck NelsonStubblejumper, Blue is a non resident alien, and my answer applied to him. I was going to clarify the alien bit but neglected to in my original post.
Chuck
07 May 2004, 08:34
<Guest>Chuck
I kind of think I knew that they were different countries.
Blue
07 May 2004, 08:49
Chuck NelsonBlue, I'm kidding with you. I myself see little need to hunt the US for sheep. Especially for Bighorn. In fact, about the only thing I have a desire to go south of the border for is a large pronghorn. If US hunters where allowed to draw for Canadian Sheep, you would never be drawn anyway, and those that were lucky enough to get a tag would be wise to hire a guide. So save up the cash and when you get $15,000 in the pot start looking for a cheap outfitter.
Chuck
07 May 2004, 12:31
<Guest>Chuck
What facts do you base those opinions on. Specifically, why would it be that others would have a better chance to be drawn for a tag than I would.
Blue
07 May 2004, 12:45
Chuck NelsonI don't mean you specifically Blue. But I'm guessing the odds of drawing would be pretty slim, for anyone.
Chuck
07 May 2004, 14:25
JohnTheGreekQuote:
I myself see little need to hunt the US for sheep.
Really? Where do you guys hide your desert bighorns? 
Best,
JohnTheGreek
07 May 2004, 14:29
Frans DiepstratenI guess you'll just have to do what I did....move to Alberta ;-)
Frans
07 May 2004, 14:57
Chuck Nelson"Especially Bighorns" "I myself" Fairly key words. I don't have much interest in hunting the Desert Bighorn right now, and opportunities to hunt Bighorns seem fairly decent here in Alberta.
Chuck
07 May 2004, 17:25
JohnTheGreekChuck,
Just yanking your chain a bit but the desert bighorn is a completely different critter from the rocky mountian variety. I think one could look for the desert variety for quite a while in Canada and still come up empty. This would be one reason to come to the states for a sheep. Not that anyone (even residents) ever really draw these permits.
Best,
JohnTheGreek
07 May 2004, 17:55
<Guest>Chuck
One thing you might want to do to improve those odds is to get your park service to move some of those sheep out of the parks. When the wife and I were up in Japser a couple of years ago we hit places where there were 40 to 50 sheep right next to the highway eating grass. They were so tame that we actually stopped and rolled the window down and petted some of them because they kept coming up the car. Too bad some of those sheep aren't transported to more remote regions so they don't have to put up with tourists like the do.
Blue
08 May 2004, 03:41
Chuck NelsonThere are a lot of sheep in more remote regions as well. I actually work for Parks Canada and see Bighorns on a daily basis.
Chuck
08 May 2004, 16:16
Frans DiepstratenDarn, if we don't get a bit of rain and snow around here, our bighorn will become "desert" bighorn pretty quick!
On that note, I tried to enter the draw in NV, but got skunked for lack of a hunter education NUMBER. Alberta recognized my hunter education from Europe, so I never got round to taking the course...never saw a need, until now...tried to reason with the draw people in NV. They were willing to accept all sorts of documentation as long as it read "hunter education" and had THE NUMBER. I figured I might as well give up for this year.
Frans
09 May 2004, 14:40
Grizzly AdamsHello;
You might want to ask a guy, I believe his name was Michael Shipley, from California about those Jasper Rams. A few years ago he poached one along the Banff Jasper highway under the guidance of a local outfitter. Parks Canada was not amused. What really took the cake was that the outfitter photographed Shipley feeding the sheep, before they killed it.
Grizz
10 May 2004, 07:45
JohnTheGreekHi Frans,
THAT SUCKS! If it makes you feel any better, you could easily put in for a lifetime and still not draw one of those tags (although I believe Keith Atcheson drew in AZ recently). I also actually had a former colleague in Arizona draw on desert sheep one year and his wife drew the next. This is, obviously, beyond lucky! I think one might be better served to try to save the $40K USD necessary to hunt them in Mexico.
Best,
JohnTheGreek
10 May 2004, 12:59
Frans DiepstratenKeith drew in NV in his 19th year. So yeah, it's a long shot.
I might try and get my daughter to take Hunter Ed with me this summer...4 loooong days though....but if I ever move within Canada (eg to BC) I'll need it anyway. Not all provonces are as open minded as AB in this matter.
Frans
10 May 2004, 14:07
Chuck NelsonIf you can, find someone who will let you challenge it. It isn't that hard of a test.
Chuck
John
I have never looked for Desert sheep here in BC. By the time I finish hunting for stones, dalls, rocky bighorns and california bighorns the season is almost over and I am tired.
Actually I have looked at putting in tags in Arizona and Utah. I chose these two states becuase I would not have to hire a guide. I would like to shoot the grandslam and not be guided.
There is a way to hunt sheep in BC being a non-resident alian. You must somehow be related to a BC resident. So if any of you guys out there have any cute daughters, I am single and open to offers. haha
Alex
15 May 2004, 15:01
Outdoor WriterQuote:
Keith drew in NV in his 19th year. So yeah, it's a long shot.
Indeed. Try about 35 years or so. (g) I lack only it and a bison for all the "big game" critters in AZ. -TONY
15 May 2004, 19:25
Oscar MakonkaAlex, I was told that sheep was unavailable to non resident canadians and non-resident aliens, unless of coarse through an outfitter. I know most other species are huntable through a resident hunter host licence. maybeI'm talking to the wrong sources, but my BC warden buddy says no Sheep for us Albertans, relatives or not.
Alberta does allow it.
Depends on where you want to go and what you want to hunt. However, a guide is the least of your problems. There's a tax just to bring you rifle here. Go here.
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/visitors/default.aspThen here and rummage around for Ontario. There's a .PDF on the hunting regs. Gas is currently over $.90 a liter. Thats close to 4 bucks Cdn. a gallon. About $85Cdn to fill my F150.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/mnr/fwmenu.html16 May 2004, 05:29
David_ParenteauHow about $150Can to fill my F250 in BC.Ouch!
Dave
16 May 2004, 15:13
GatehouseMy deisel will fill up for about $80 right now...BOTH tanks!
16 May 2004, 16:08
David_ParenteauYou forgot to rub it in that it goes further on a gallon as well.
Oh yeah,I recalculated.It's only $140 to fill both tanks.I feel a whole lot better now!
Dave
16 May 2004, 16:11
David_ParenteauHey,I'm One of Us now!Only 2118 posts behind you Clarke.I'm closin' the gap
Dave
16 May 2004, 19:06
GatehouseThere ya go!