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Let me preface this by saying I am an American and proud of it. I have no connection to Canada other than my great grandparents on one side having immigrated from after a generation or so in the maritimes. I have never hunting in Canada, although I have visited a number of times on vacation and have always been treated very well and enjoyed myself and the country, especially the beautiful western coastal region. I guess I am also fairly ignorant of Canadian issues as they don't get much news time here in the states. I never get involved in any political dealings on this site since they seem to degrade pretty quick into an us versus them thing. Especially on issues in BC. Personally, I think most guys that post here have more in common, than the "urban", "liberal", "big city" types in each country. It has been a bit bothersome to read some recent threads on here. I would think the purchase of the guiding area in BC would be one issue that everyone would tend to agree on and rally around. Instead, it seems to have pitted various guys opinions against each other. Even some locals seem to think it is a good thing as it keeps nonresidents away. My first thought on reading the article was it was a horrible loss to the general hunting public, another domino victory for "them" and a real threat to all hunting in the region, even for local BC hunters (excepting natives). So, please educate me a bit on the Canadian perspective. I open any American hunting mag and see ads for hunting in BC. I would think that if I went on such a hunt I would be pumping little money into the local economy, helping support a fellow hunter that loves it so much he is trying to make it as a guide/outfitter, and also the tag fee would be put to paying for the conservation of the animal I was hunting. Is this incorrect? I can understand that there is a high demand on the game animals. If I were a Canadian, I would also be angry that I was being left out so a foreigner could hunt my game. We have quite an issue here from state to state too. But, I really fail to see how this is the foreign hunters fault. He is responding to advertising/offers for such a hunt. The allocation of game animals and harvest is an INTERNAL issue. Some of the posts have a lot of resentment towards wealthy Americans buying Canadian game, but such hunts were offered for sale through Canadian law. Unless foreign interests completely control outfitter industry and are using that power to secure more tags for themselves, I don't see the resentment towards their fellow sportsman. If there is an unfair allocation, should not this be changed by an internal Canadian political process? Personally, I would issue tag preferences in the order of BC residents, Canadian citizens, and then foreign sportsman. I might reserve a few tags on even high demand game for very expensive foreign tags or a bid process open to all if local sales did not generate enough conservation revenue. As an American, I would fully support you in this endeavor, even if it limited my options. I believe most would, although I realize we have our "we are the biggest and baddest", "we will kick your asses", "we are American and can do what we want" segment. Guess I was just wondering the source of so much animosity between us. I think we are in this fight together. Most politics is local, but the fight for gun and hunting rights is global. I think we in NA especially should watching each others backs. Seeing that some would rather side with antis over a guy that may want to come up and experience a hunt in BC seems awfully counterproductive. Makes me wonder if we will be able to preserve what we have. I am just and average, middle class Joe, but I have donated to Canadian Shooting Sports Association in the past. I am willing to do so again with the possible handgun ban. Is this the best organization to donate? | ||
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I think that I can say with considerable experience-based "authority" that the situation here in B.C. is NOT about anti-Americanism and I have attempted to make this clear. It is about a VERY complex series of major changes in Canadian society, especially here on the "wet coast" and many good Yanks seem to be getting caught in a sort of crossfire and I am sorry to see this. However, this fight is going to get a hell of a lot more intense and ethnically nasty before it is resolved, if ever and my personal priorities are conservation, B.C. residents first and preserving traditional Canadian cultural attitudes, in that order. I have NO animosity toward Americans in general or much toward anyone else, either. I do not believe in "official multiculturalism" and see most immigration since 1967 as detrimental to Canada as a whole. I resent people from ANYWHERE trying to tell we Canadians what to do with our resources, our traditions and mocking our extraordinary efforts in both World Wars. The situation in B.C. is that anti-Americanism is at the highest level I have EVER seen in my 59 years; this is due to the Bush administrations refusal to behave according to the NAFTA panel's repeated rulings on softwood tariffs. This has had a huge, negative impact on our rural areas and many people feel that we should retaliate by denying Americans ANY access to our rare and desireable game, such as Stone's Sheep as well as putting an export tax on our various energy suppies to the U.S.A. There are also demographic factors in the increasing distance between Canadian and American societies, especially here in B.C. Many recent immigrants are profoundly anti-American and this tends to be reflected in society as a whole and in the frequently assinine comments of political assholes who don't give a fuck about anything except votes, power and screwing over the decent people....just like everywhere else. The environmental movement is very successful here and is growing and most B.C.'ers really are opposed to commercial hunting of wildlife by ANYONE. The Guide/Outfitters used to be "mom and pop" operations by bushwise rural residents, now, they are highly capitalized big business with spotter planes, huge luxury lodges in areas where B.C. residents CANNOT build even tiny cabins and an aggressive lobby which seeks to limit B.C.'ers hunting in order to profit from foreigners killing OUR game. So, the situation is not especially friendly toward Americans and, IMHO, it is going to get much worse and, probably, will never get better. The world is grossly over-populated, badly polluted and the fight for what remains is getting much more savage, the situation here reflects that. The good old days are gone and, to quote an American singer, "they ain't comin' back"....sad and I am sorry that a decent guy like you is hurt by this, I honestly am. | |||
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I don't usually agree with a lot of kutenay's observations (no offence) but this time I think he's right | |||
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Metalman29 You are welcome to come to Manitoba any time to hunt. Non resident hunting is a great boost to our rural economy. There is very little difference between the way an American and Canadian hunter thinks. There are bad ethical hunters in Canada as well as the US, but I find they are few and far between. Bad ethics is the only thing that pisses me off, not nationality or where your from. | |||
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In many areas where I hunt there is resentment towards outfitters moreso than toward the people that hunt with them.Some Canadians feel that outfitters are given too many advantages over residents such as fixed allocations for species of game whereas residents must draw tags.In other words a resident may only be able to hunt a given species every few years while a non resident may buy a hunt from an outfitter every year for the same species.Actually there are far more people upset over the metis and natives hunting unregulated than over non-residents being allowed to hunt.I don't think that it is nearly as much of a Canadian/American issue as it is a problem with the way our own federal and provincial governments are ruunning things within our own country. | |||
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Can a resident call any outfitter and buy that opportunity the same way a non-resident can do it? "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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stubblejumper In our area any spieces that has a draw, non residents can not hunt. This may not be the case in the rest of Canada. Also,our allocations will change as the population of a spiesis goes up or down. My allocation was not given to me, I had to pay good money for it. I do agree that a few outfitters are disliked and for good reason. A lot of the people that call down outfitters though ,would love to have the same job themselves if given the chance. I am not trying to dis anybody here, but I love my job and so would a lot of others on this site. | |||
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In Alberta and B.C.,non residents can hunt species that are on a draw for residents in most or all zones.In Alberta even if the game population drops,the allocations for outfitters are rarely if ever reduced.As well in Alberta it is illegal to charge for hunting rights but many outfitters do work deals under the table with landowners to secure exclusive hunting rights.As well certain outfitters have been convicted of several poaching charges,yet they do not lose their allocations.Don't get me wrong,I have good friends that are outfitters,but many residents do have a very negative opinion of outfitters in general. | |||
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I cannot speak to TT's question where other jurisdictions are concerned, however, a B.C. resident is prevented BY THE OUTFITTERS in many cases from buying the same opportunity that a wealthy foreigner can buy. I have had this happen to me several times since the late '80s and the persons doing so were Americans who own B.C. GO concessions; their rationale was that they did not want someone with my overall bush experience coming into their territories, finding their best spots and then bringing my buddies in the following year to hunt. This was done politely, BUT, it amounted to foreigners telling me that I could not have equal access to their foreign clients to wildlife in MY country. I wonder what people in other jurisdictions would feel when confronted by such a situation. I think my feelings are quite clear and I also do NOT consider it appropriate for a B.C. resident to be expected to pay the same for hunting as anyone from another country. The crux of this is here in B.C. as well as the Yukon and western N.W.T. as this is where the "glamour" game that sells for the big bucks is located. A Stone's Sheep hunt sells for close to $30,000 USD and the Guide-Outfitters are being guaranteed 48% of the annual allowable kill of these animals while access to their range is limited by various provincial regulations, lobbied for by the G.O.A.B.C. I support no vehicle entry, L.E.H. and wilderness preservation, BUT, I do NOT agree with the "de facto" placing of foreigners on a superior or even equal basis to B.C.'ers with respect to resource allocation and this is why I favour an end to "consumptive tourism" in B.C. | |||
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If an outfitter refused to sell to you then that is indeed discrimination and wrong. That's why I asked. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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It is also quote common. | |||
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I can confirm that this is often the case in BC at least. And many times it is not done politely at all. There are even many cases where outfitters have threatened residents that were hunting in the outfitter's territory. The animosity between outfitters and residents seems to grow every year as a result. For a while, the gov't was even party to it. While a non-resident could buy a coveted bison hunt with an outfitter (albeit on a quota basis...but the waiting lists were short), residents were not allowed to buy a hunt from an outfitter! They had to get an LEH draw first. The odds of getting these draws vary from 60 to 1 to 200 to 1. Basically once in a lifetime tags if your lucky. Yet a non-resident could go practically any year they wanted by buying a hunt. It was rediculous. Thankfully the gov't changed that about 8 or so years ago. Another item that is seldom discussed but is equally frustrating to some of us, is the fact that very few of the northern outfitters will hire BC residents (other than natives) as guides. They mainly hire guides out of Alberta. The reason is the same as why they don't take resident clients....they don't want to train a resident where and how to hunt in their territory because they are worried the residents might come back on their own (and with friends) the next year. This usually isn't the case in the southern and more developed areas...the guides are frequently residents that know the areas already. I have a lot of friends in the business (outfitters and guides), and there are more and more "resident friendly" outfitters every year (mainly as a result of trying to outcompete the "packers"), but I can understand the growing rift between residents and outfitters generally. Canuck | |||
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Kutenay Prove that the majority of G&Os are Foreign owned. Names. I agree that many are owned, under the table, but what percentage and who are they? It takes a willing Canadian to front the operation. I believe that this is Fraud? I'll bet you a six pack more G&O are secretly European owned than US owned.  When the current structure is destroyed and the Natives are in control of BC Hunting do you think they will cater to Non Resident Hunters? | |||
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I lived in Northern BC (Chetwynd} working at a lumber mill (CanFor) back in 1979-80 for 1 and a half years and my brother lived there for 10 years. I did a lot of scouting around on cut lines and back forrestry roads (Sacunka, Mobly and White Mare areas, I believe they started a Coal mine on the top of a mountain I was on a few years later. These may not be the proper spellings of these areas as I am just going by memory. I know some native guides from there as well. I just can't remember there names.This is just one small area compared to the rest of BC. It is hard for me to fathem with all that area that it is hard for a resident hunter to find a place to hunt. Things sure must have changed since then or is it that it is hard for a resident to be drawen for a tag. | |||
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Mickey, you may be well advised to lay off the six packs as your question is both impertinent and without foundation. You are NOT a Canadian citizen as you have yourself admitted and you are not entitled to demand that I ...prove...anything. I did not say that the majority of GOs were foreign owned, American or otherwise; I said that the particular outfits I dealt with WERE American owned, the brochures came from Seattle and one of the phone contacts was there, as well. It is not pertinent to the original question here who the foreigners involved in GOs are and I have attempted to reply to said question with tact and courtesy in order to provide the poster with a realistic answer. Nobody knows exactly what will transpire concerning this whole schlemozzle yet; the Indians are being "bought off" by bullshit about their "rights" by that utterly vile little man, "Glitzy Gordie" and this is at the orders of the rich and powerful people who have invested in the 2010 Olympics. They do not want a re-play of "Gustafsen Lake" while the international media is focussed on Whistler and the hoopla of the O's. Skerrit, Crey, Atleo, John, Philips, Guujaaw, Richardson, Derricksen, that asshole drunk that called white pioneers, "smelly people in boats" ( he is half "white" himself) and all the rest of the Indians are going to milk this for everything they can and we taxpayers will foot the bill. BUT, NO B.C. government will act to eliminate resident hunting, not even the N.D.P. The Indians may come to control non-resident hunting, but, this has a long way to go and many court decisions to be heard.The really important aspect of this is to protect the rights of ALL B.C. citizens and eliminate foreign control or influence in B.C. resource decisions. So, either get your citizenship and pay mega-taxes like the rest of us poor bastards or stop trying to piss me off!!!  | |||
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Kutes Working on it. (Dual Citizenship)  I own part of a Ranch in the Chilcotin and a part of a Construction Company in Van. I have property in the Horsefly area and am looking at some more in the Yukon. Part of a G&O, although a small part, and family related. (other than hanging around I get no benefit from it  )I already pay mega taxes but get few of the Benefits. I'm not demanding anything. It's just that I have heard this stuff for years but when it comes down to it no one has the proof or will even name names. Many G&Os have minority ownership of Foreginers but who are the ones that have majority? I also know that many of the N. BC Outfitters spend the winter in the States, going to Conventions and laying around in the Sun. I've been to the Yukon G&O Meeting and been on a plane full of them heading South after the Meeting. They live part time in the US but are still Canadian. The allocation of Game is a lousy deal for residents. It is particularly bad for those people who live in the Interior and can't even hunt around home. They resent the people from the Lower Mainland coming up with their LEH Permits as much as they resent Non Residents. Some sort of bonus points need to be given to 'locals' in their own area. I think I told the story of my neighbor on the Horsefly having a 50" plus Bull standing in the road in front of his house during Moose Season last year and not being able to shoot it as he only had a small Bull permit. The local Outfitter could have come along and let his 'guest hunter' shoot it though. That is wrong. | |||
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Man, You are the lucky one. You live in country, which IMO still has more freedom then any other place on this Earth. Canada thanks to Pierre E. Trudeau and all others after him re-shape this country to be a conglomerate of different cultures and messed up so much that it is impossible to fix that back. I give you example; I love this country and I am proud to live here because I choose to be Canadian. Also, my personal views are very much to the right side, however some of those on the right do not accept me or those like me, because we have not certain accent or come from non-standart immigration countries like one moron on this forum called. On the other hand, those who we dislike like present government who lies and is responsible for globalization of this nation, are tend to accept us as we are and even actually give us some space. Figure this out? We, people on the right, those who hunt and shoot are so disorganize and we are lacking of what you have in States one voice for gun owners like NRA. Now we are about to loose our right to own handguns. It is a first step. What we do, totally NOTHING. There is lack of leadership, we only complain about the government and that’s all. Same with hunting. In my province of Ontario. Antis want to get rid of spring bear hunt, no problem, they have accomplished that. Now they start protecting wolves, we have loooots of wolves. Why they do it? Well, more wolves, less moose, and less hunting. Simple, isn't it. If true outdoorsman and woman in this country will not get together and form one huge organization to battle PETA and antyhunting groups, we gonna be loosing more and more. My two cents, Peter | |||
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I do not agree with special status for ANY B.C. resident, that is the whole problem NOW. If, for example, a recent immigrant who can afford to buy land in the Chilcotin had a hunting licence, should he have greater rights than someone who was born here and whose family has lived here since Confederation? We have many people who live in the L.M. because they MUST, my wife is a very senior boffin in an important government position concerned with the health, etc. of working people in the entire province, so, I have to live here for some time yet. It is seemingly impossible to ferret out exactly who owns what where commercialized hunting is concerned and I wonder why? I am absolutely against ANY foreign ownership, investment in or influence in ANY B.C. land, water, resources or outdoor service business. I am an unreconstructed nationalist-nativist and totally committed to it, a hopeless case to sophisticated international business tycoons like you and political experts such as the estimable previous poster. In any case, this is a real opportunity to hash this whole mess out here in "Lotus Land" and that has to be done. Like you, I want to make certain that local people can hunt near home and can control THEIR resources. I actually withdrew from certain well-known environmental groups years ago when they started with the Kennedy figureheads and other such bullshit; Geo. Orwell once said that, "the revolution is always betrayed" and the conservation movement in B.C. suffers from that. All I can do is to refurbish my meager writing and debating skills here and then, once again, become very active with the B.C.W.F. This can work out to hunter's advantage and we have no choice anyway, the envirofascists and ultra-Indians sure ain't gonna quit. Do you ever wish we were "lost in the Fifties"? | |||
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1850s, to be precise. Meaning that would be my preference. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Metalman29, I might help if you thought of BC politics as a spectator sport, somewhat akin to Battlebots or Roller Derby. I must confess that I find some of the comments raised on the resident / non-resident hunting issue baffling myself, and I am a next door neighbour. BC can do what they like, but should the antis achieve their goals in BC, the poison will spread and that is my concern. | |||
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Thanks for the comments. Puts things into a better perspective. "BC can do what they like, but should the antis achieve their goals in BC, the poison will spread and that is my concern." Me too. I would hate to see BC residents lose their outdoor heritage too. As a fellow from south Louisiana, I don't feel it is any of my business to stick my nose in Canadian/BC politics, but I was really struck by some of the comments on ALF's thread. I often read the Canadian hunting section. I might come one day on a whitetail hunt. Realistically, I will probably never go on a BC hunt. My interest in BC simply stems from my travel through the region and some of the like-mided people I met along the way. You guys have one of the most beautiful places God saw fit to put on this earth. I have traveled a good bit from NA to the MidEast. I am not an emotional man, and rarely has something struck me as the simple beauty of BC. Wish you guys the best of luck with the stewardship of the land. "We, people on the right, those who hunt and shoot are so disorganize and we are lacking of what you have in States one voice for gun owners like NRA." What is the best organization in Canada? Even if one does not always agree with the leadership of the NRA, it is a damn effective organization for the preservation of our rights. Is there a similar Canadain politicalcounterpart? I would like to join/donate. Any loss in NA is a loss for us all. | |||
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Yup, we have the NFA,National Firearms Association! I myself just rejoined a few days ago. Please do take a look at http://www.nfa.ca . At one time I also supported the NRA-ILA but that was before Homeland Security and Mr. Bush. derf Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati | |||
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An organization such as the NRA, (I was a member back in the '60s) would not be of any use in this situation and it's activities here in Canada, although well intentioned, actually will work to the detriment of Canadian gun owners. As I keep trying to point out, Canada is a much different country in cultural terms than the U.S. and each region, such as B.C. is very unique in terms of both culture and politics. I was born here, am fairly erudite and have been involved with Canadian politics for four decades, in short, I may know just a tad more about this country than some of the other posters who claim expertise. The situation in B.C. right now is fluid and changing rapidly with various groups trying to dominate the allocation of resources, land use planning and even government hiring practices. The one constant in this is that the majority of B.C. residents (about 4,000,000) do not hunt and the media here tends to be anti-hunting. Non-resident hunters, especially foreigners and most especially Americans, are generally not popular with the majority of people and the only forms of hunting that are widely seen as socially acceptable are aboriginal "traditional" hunting and hunting for food by residents. This may not be what people want to hear, but, it is the reality we face as we fight to keep B.C. an equitable and hunting friendly society. Right now, the best way to do this is to realize that the former methods of apportioning hunting between user groups will not meet the test of social acceptability and thus the politicians will modify the situation in order to retain the "green", social liberal and aboriginal votes, which add up to a large number. So, our best option is to fight to preserve resident hunting totally and perhaps get some sort of legislative protection for it and once that is done, then see what other hunting may be accepted by the general public. The environmental movement here is VERY powerful and they have swayed even this "neo-con" government and will dominate a government from the current opposition party. We have to do what is possible and preserving commercial hunting to benefit G/Os who are actively trying to curtail resident hunting is not in our best interest. It is going to be very tough to keep the Indians from controlling every aspect of outdoor recreation as they "play the race card" with great skill and cries of "racism" tend to still even the stoutest heart among contemporary social activists....the current form of "McCarthyism". I think that you will see B.C. go to resident hunting only within the decade as people here may well use the courts to prevent any special "rights" for aboriginals to guide non-residents where res. hunting is not allowed. This is "the last, best place" and most here realize that, so, battle lines are drawn and the war is on. I have seen this coming for over 30 years as have many of my friends who are biologists, foresters and so forth and I am on the side of residents, since I am one. I have now said everything I can tell you with respect to your initial question and I hope it assists you. | |||
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I believe we can go back in history to see where the future is taking all of us. Some seek protectionism while others seek free trade. My guess is that this will play out as have (most)all the others and free trade will carry the day. Just my $0.02. Yea, money talks and XXXX walks to use an old cliche. Perhaps sad but true. | |||
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I disagree, strongly, as the deliberate defiance of the legal NAFTA panel's ruling on Canadian softwood is among the major factors in the growing antipathy toward American trophy hunters here in B.C. Situations of this kind are all about public perception and American hunters are now seen here as rich "Bushites" who exploit our resources. Right, wrong or whatever, that's the way it is. As to $$$$$, the largely volunteer operated ultra-green organizations here have taken on the Provincial Government, the Federal Government, the enormously wealthy international forestry corporations and the powerful, well-financed international trade unions over wilderness preservation of extremely resource rich, large areas AND WON. It has been said that, "there is nothing stronger than an idea whose time has come" and this, IMO, is what is happening here, like it or not. Nationalism is growing in Canada and I think that "free trade", a philosophy of the past generation will be subject to this and will evolve into a different system of international relations than we have yet seen. There is no REAL benefit to B.C.'ers in allowing foreign trophy hunting to continue and it will be used to buy off the Indians, as will the current commercial Salmon, etc. fisheries. This is not about what is friendly, fair or even ecologically sound, it is about brutal political reality, racist minority groups and changing public attitudes....it's over, simple as that. | |||
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Kute, take moment to read this and tell me if think there's and truth to it. Paul Jackson Jackson is unabashedly pro-American but I think there may be a great deal of truth to the fact that Paul Martin dug this hole for himself. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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The antipathy toward "conservative" America is very deep in Canada and always has been; it is frequently expressed by many minions of the Liberal Party of Canada. This Jackson person is a "cultural Quisling" and his rants are NOT representative of the majority opinion here; he is scum, period. My initial paragraph of my last post clearly states what the situation is; while Paul Martin, etc. may or may not have exacerbated the situation concerning NAFTA. the people here blame Bush and the U.S.A. and it is PERCEPTION that decides political attitudes. The hunting issue is impacted by this, but, as I have said, there are other major, deciding factors involved and there is no reason for B.C. residents to lobby in favour of non-resident hunting.Through court action, we can and will block aboriginal "guides" from taking foreign hunters into areas that we may be blocked from by government give-aways. Again, this is a new, fluid issue and the opposition to foreign hunting is just really starting to coalesce. I hope to see a legislative programme to protect the rights of non-aboriginal CANADIAN hunters and I suspect that my opinion mirrors the majority feeling, at least in B.C. | |||
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I and many other Canadians certainly do believe that Martins anti Bush rantings have caused many of the problems with our dealings with the U.S.This is especially true of the recent mad cow disease situation. | |||
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Kutenay, I think it probably does reflect the opinion of most non-aboriginal Canadian hunters. Unfortunately, we are in the minority, particularly so in BC and ONT. I am a staunch supporter of the current grassroots level uprisings that are intended to protect our Hunting Heritage. I hope to see a legislative programme in BC soon as well. Canuck | |||
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Vidkun Quisling was a Norwegian who collaborated with the NAZIS. So one can only conclude you think anyone not of your culture is a therefore a "cultural Quisling" or "Cultural NAZI" by default? Or only those who support the US are Quislings and therefore scum? These are your strong words friend, not mine put in your mouth. Your penchant for slinging this kind of invective and then trying to come back later and explain how you have no biases is getting tiresome. Either stand by your predjuduices or learn to use metphors that don't make you look like such a bigot. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Some of my close relatives died in the Norwegian Resistance because of Quisling, fighting the Nazis....this was before the forced entry of the Americans into WWII. I have tried to present the situation here in as courteous and factual a manner as possible; however, TT is both an ignorant buffoon and an example of the sort of American that people here dislike, with the result that American hunters are not particularly popular. As to my being a ...bigot..., I have just returned from getting my haircut by an Iranian refugee and I have volunteered to assist her with getting her family into Canada, MY home and native land; I have been doing this sort of advocacy for about 35 years. Funny, whenever a certain type of American can't have what he wants in someone else's country, it's ALWAYS the fault of the inhabitants of that country. That's it for me, I cannot be bothered to debate a loudmouth who knows zip about Canada. | |||
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All I wanted to know is why is Paul Jackson a Quisling? Are you suggesting he share some of the blame for the persecution of your family? You don't have anything I want, Kute. I think I made that clear in the beginning but you keep stereotyping me and anyone who disagrees with you and slandering your fellow countrymen who happen to maybe hold a different political opinion than you. I asked a polite question about the validity of an opinion article I stumbled across and you ignored the topic and started in on the writer, beginning with Quisling and ending with scum. And your kindness to one person or persons doesn't excuse the invective toward others. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Bigot: Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices It has nothing to with race, Kute. Find a different horse to flog. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Kute, I must say that casting blame and shame leaves one very little of substance from which to build a majority. Seems better to find a way to build concensus for ones cause by bringing over groups who are marginally on the fence. Do you consider yourself to be mostly anti-American or anti-American hunter? Oh, I am an American who loves to hunt in Canada and works hard to find the funds to share with you. | |||
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Unfortunately my friends, Canada (by the way I am Canadian) is a bloody mess. We have spent the last dozen or so years at the federal mercy of criminals , slanderers, misfits, and bias panty wastes (to quote Charlie Daniels). British Columbia has PROVINCIALLY (uh for TT that's a state except bigger) been in the hands of the same type of people even longer. This province has catered to the Hollywood, treehugging, "bears are cute and fuzzy, hah-hah." crowd for nearly two decades. Only recentlly has it seen any improvement, and that at the hands of drunk-driving premier (uh, that's simular to a governor, exept most of ours aren't in action movies). The situation in British Columbia (as well as Alberta and Saskatchewan) is the majority of the big name outfitters have AMERICAN backers, that means SHAREHOLDERS. Europe has little influence in comparison. I do not think America bashing is a worthy pass time, but they do owe us 5 billion, and a bunch (not the majority) of them would love to turn Canada into their own private Texas (hunting ranches). I personally believe that the allowance of this is a problem at the government level, where all american funds for hunting and fishing should be regulated to a consumer level only.While we are on it all bird and migoratory game as well as fishing and big hunting should be through CANADIAN guides only. And yes, guided clients are getting the best in some areas and the only thing Canadians can do about it is pull up our pants, and kick back at the government that is screwing us. It is the same with the aboriginal situation, if they will let you get away with it , you will take advntage of it. Now I disagree with kute on some subjects, but am happy to see a British Columbia with backbone for something other than gay marriage, or the softwood industy. Take offense as you wish, but I will say this: I would hate to see American Hunters leave Canada, I enjoy a southern accent around the campfire (just leave that Wild Turkey at home, our whiskey is better). But I hate the american cash influence on our outfitters and regulations. Thanks,eh. | |||
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By the way, MuyG, keep saving friend, maybe our paths will cross someday. | |||
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A.Fleming, a good start at sharing points of view, rationally. To make matters even better, I am a native Texan and say up front that I believe my favorite son George W is doing what he thanks is best for all of us (I speak in the worldly meaning "all"). I do not share many of the hunting activities that are becoming prevalent in our great state although the state in general is surviving in spite of the "hunting ranches". Also, I do not doubt for a minute that some of the "shareholders" in Canada are US citizens and I expect Kute is mostly riled by this as well. It is simple supply and demand spelled M O N E Y that is at the root of all our "problems". If we as hunters do not marshall out joint assets we will be relegated to pandering to those who do a better job of asset allocation. It is unfortunate but politicians worldwide are using our money to feather their own nests. Therein lies the enemy and at least in the USA it is spelled this way -LAWYERS, separation of power means: legislation - written by lawyers; legislation - interpreted by lawyers; and legislation - executed by lawyers. Yes, we have our own crosses to bare in the USA! I will be sharing with you in the NWT come September - please try to hold it all together for me until then. Shall we meet someday. | |||
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I for one agree fully with what Paul Jackson is refering. The majority of the rural people in our area(farming community) would agree with him also. Its the Liberal gov't and the CBC that tries to create anti American attitude.(and stupid Molson Canadian commercials) It appears that in order to make themselves feel good they have to call down our neighbours. Now before someone says that I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm an outfitter and its in my own best interest to stand up for our neighbours. Our family has been here since 1629 and fought in many wars both south and north of the border and I am proud of that fact. I also have relatives that play in the NHL and one thats won metals in speed skating . Outfitter or not I have as much right to voice my opinion as anyone else. My wife is full blooded Cree Indian and I also believe that everyone should abide by the same laws. So does my wife and most of her family. Do not make this a anti American or anti Native American web site. I do not think this is the intention of most of the people on this site but I do believe it is the intention of some. | |||
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So, metalman29, do you understand now? Would you explain it to me? You can come hunting to Alberta if you like. I enjoy seeing foreign hunters. It tells me we still have some of the best hunting in the world. Alberta probably has the most common sense of all the Canadian provinces. It's why we are so reviled by the rest of Canada. You would probably like it here. | |||
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Come on Wooly, when you say stuff like that it makes us Poor Albertans (born in Calgary, raised in southern Alberta), seem like Quebequers. Yes I do believe Alberta is my favorite province, but BC is way prettier, Saskatchewanites are far friendlier, and Newfoundland is like having your own Mexico inside your country. Don't make all Albertans seem like arrogant cowboys.(tongue in cheek[beside foot]). | |||
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