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I just saw on the internet news, a women was found dead on the Panorama Ski hill in BC, believed to have been killed by a black bear that was shot near the body. Not much for other details yet. First one this year that I have heard of, hope it is the last. | ||
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Keep us posted if you find out details. Lots of us are interisted in this stuff. | |||
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What I heard on the evening news, the lady was out mountain biking at Panorama and a search found a black bear guarding her body and refusing to let any one near it. Just to show you what political correctness we suffer from, according to the RCMP spokesman, "Unfortunatly we had to destroy the bear". No wonder they need a civilian to straighten them out The incident is being treated as a prey attack. Another mountain biker was apparently harassed by a Grizzly sow, with cubs, at Minnewanka, this weekend. But that can't be possible. there aren't that many bears in the Park  Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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Yet no-one seemed to give a rat's butt about our forestry worker that got chewed on by a grizz a couple weeks ago   ...it was only about 50 miles away as the crow flies. Couldn't resist... Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Oops...almost forgot...recent headline...
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And another....
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For many years we hunted bears in the Pemberton/Whistler area. As time passed and the area became more and more popular we started to see mountain bikers all over the area. The valleys up there are full of bears, some very large. As the population increases we're definatly going to see more interactions. Really hate to see bears pushed out of their traditional habitat for Yuppee entertainment. I guess thats progress. | |||
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maybe the bears will eat enough yupees to keep the population under control?   | |||
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It's our only hope. Latest thing is that a cougar has apparently made himself at home in Fish Creek park in Calgary. Apparently lots of deer there to feed on and they are afraid he might graduate to Yuppies.Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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I heard today they caught the cat and moved it to a remote setting. With F&W budget that probably means a very remote happy huntin grounds for the kitty. But maybe not. It may just return to stalk the city dwellers again. | |||
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Sorry, but dont you think people who like to tread in wilderness areas where predators(bears and large cats) are used to humans and see them as a food source should be a bit more prepared? I mean...dont go off alone, make noise, carry some bear spray(bears like their yuppies spicy). These people need to realize that the bush may contain creatures that are not "warm and fuzzy" and accept the risks. Welcome to the jungle so to speak. This is not a "greenpeace" perfect world where animals and humans are brothers. | |||
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The woman probably split off from her group to look for a place to "go". That was her mistake as more than likely, she had no defense weapons at all. I recently returned from a bear hunt in Quebec, in the same area a trapper was killed and eaten by a black bear. His remains were found in the bear's den the following spring. One of his friends recounted the tale and it was very sad to listen to it. Best defense, don't go anywhere in the wilderness alone, but if you have to, make sure you are armed and aware that predators lurk about. Always be ready. ~Ann   | |||
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Ann, you're breaking my heart... it is ALL I do. Frans | |||
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Well, I do too but read the rest of my comment! I go armed and with a alert attitude, most people do not. I bet you are always aware when out there Frans. You seem like a sensitive kind of guy.  ~Ann | |||
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We were discussing this case today; one of my co-workers, who is an avid hunter and ATV'er says a gun is not required when in the wilderness. I told him that I never go into the bush without a firearm, just in case my vehicle/ATV breaks down. I am not paranoid; I do not believe that a bear is lurking behind every tree waiting to kill me, but a man has the right to defend himself, and carrying a firearm is nothing more then being prepared. No different then carrying a spare tire for your vehicle; you don't have the gun because you expect something to happen, but sometimes things go wrong. | |||
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Real sensitive... I've been told the ladies like that in a man!  Kidding aside, you are right of course. As Hagrid said to Harry, Hermione and Ron when they entered the Forbidden Forest: "Gotta have your wits about you!" I keep an eye out for sign, I'm not too silent going through the thick stuff if I don't expect my quarry inside or the immediate vicinity, and I sleep with one eye open; often keep a little fire going through the night, with a pile of dead pine twigs beside it just in case; and a loaded weapon. Frans | |||
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An incident like this always brings up some interesting discussion, from the idiots that think the poor bear should have been left alone because it did what was natural, to guys saying they don't go out unless heavily armed in the woods. I think any bear that stalks and kills a person for food, which is in the case of Black bear attacks most of the time, should be killed. Yes they are predatory animals, and we are food, but people are more important than bears, and who wants to be responsible for that bear killing more people when it could have been stopped. It is not a case of revenge, it is being practical and stopping a threat to others. We are the top of the food chain, and to remain there means taking action to ensure it. Yes people take the risk when they enter the woods, but I don't believe most urban dwellers really ever understand it or take the time to care. Most people in the woods these days are not the expierenced or farm boy types, don't own a gun and would think your crazy carrying one around. Walk around Elbow Valley or any of K country with a long gun and see how long it takes to have one of these people call it in. I don't take a gun everytime I go either, a few years ago I never went without, but one becomes complacant when nothing happens, and it is a good reminder that it is not a good idea. Of course the most dangerous part of any trip to the woods still remains the drive in the truck to get there, far more people killed every day in Canada on the highway than all year by bears, but I don't see anyone slowing down or driving safer. Well sure as hell not around Calgary at least. Still it is tragic that a young person with so much potential was killed so early in life. Being aware of your surroundings is the best defence, and ready to defend yourself sure helps, although when it is time it is time. But it sure makes a better ulogy to say you went down with a hot barrel and lead in the attacker, trying to the end. | |||
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Something that I like to relate; this is a story that's about 20 years old now... Me and a buddy were moose hunting one time and we saw a moose way down across a huge cutblock. We looked it over for a while to try to determine if it was a cow or a small bull. We finally agreed that it was a cow and then I got the idea that I wanted to stalk the thing, just to see how close I could get. I landmarked the spot where the cow should be and set off. Once I got down there I was sneaking along and trying to pick up where the cow was. Well the moose had sensed me (odor or noise I don't know) and all of a sudden came running out from behind a big log stack. The thing that has amazed me forever is that I knew almost exactly where that animal was and expected it, yet if it had been coming for me, I woulda been dead. And the fact is that a bear can move quicker and even more suddenly then a moose. So the notion that an unprepared man can amble along with a gun for protection from a sudden attack is false security, no matter what you're packing. I still always take a gun in the bush with me, but I am under no illusion that I could bring it into action quick enough to stop a bear that was laying in ambush. Yeah, I feel sorry for almost anybody that ends up in bear scat. Tim Treadwell proved there are exceptions to any rule. | |||
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The math on that is pretty simple... A bear can do 10 meters per second on three legs with the fourth tied behind his back. Just go to the range, dress your self up with a pack, rain gear, etc.; sling your rifle and see how fast you can get it into action. What will it be, three seconds? Two? Or four or five? I've found a way to get it into action in about two seconds, but it won't be a carefully aimed shot. And the rifle has to be slung on my strong shoulder. And I need to be ready to go, with my right hand on the grip area when the clock starts ticking. Realistically? If the bear starts from within 30 or 40 yards, and you weren't aware of it before, your chances are very very slim. Frans | |||
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I'll give ya the Treadwell thing, if anybody was begging to be eaten it was him, I try and forget about that movie, it was painful to watch. The next guy is the one in Alaska with numerous Brown Beras living in his yard because he has been feading them. One bad day and he's a pile of scat as well. No sympathy for those that go looking for it, for sure. There was another case of a guy south of Waterton park maybe 20 yrs ago, he did everything he could to put himself amongst the most bears he could, then was found eaten up, his camp all ripped to shreds, and nice stills of bears in his camp. | |||
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Frans & Demonical, I came to this conclusion, while watching bears, myself. I theorized then that the rifle or shotgun must be held out in front to "jam" it into the jaws of said bear. This could be done while it's still slung on the shoulder. After that, it's up to God to decide if it's your time or not. Trying to get off a an aimed shot would take mythical speed. | |||
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Just packing a gun, doesn't guarantee your safety, even if you keep your wits about you. Lot's of cases where the victim is found with a loaded gun he was unable to use, but it's a better alternative than having nothing but your pecker in your hand, to borrow a phrase from The Godfather Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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I agree Grizz. And most of us who go armed in areas where bears frequent are tuned to their surroundings. Experienced "bush walkers" know what to look for and where to look for bear sign. And when we see the signs, we act more cautiously and tend to be more alert. The urban people( I know, we like to lump most of them in the yuppie category)have no clue and roam in potentially dangerous territory. Would a shotgun or firearm help them?. NO My previous comment about going prepared also was made with the assumption that people entering the bush would realize that its no inner city park. Unfortunatly, thats not the case. And sometimes sh*t (or bears) happen. Should the bear have been shot? absolutely. Was it entirely the young woman's fault? Not at all. I like the different opinions and points of view. | |||
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"Pudding buks" is how my late uncle Harry refered to the "pecker in hand situation". Get a dictionary if you want to know what it means (Dutch to English). In one of the newspaper articles I read about people going through the mountains singing out loud. Once I was enjoying some quiet time at Baldy Pass, when I heard someone coming up the trail shouting "Yo bear, Yo bear!" For 30 friggin' minutes before he showed up at the pass! If I had to go through the mountains like that, I'd stay at home. If the bear gets me, he'll get me. I hope he'll gets a severe case of indigestion over me. Frans | |||
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Same feeling here Frans, except in my case I figure they'll just be getting even. No sense in going to the woods if you're going to make like a freight train.Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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Just heard on a Canadian radio station - a child was mauled by a mountain lion in BC .Officials killed the cat. 'It may have mistaken the child for a deer or other prey ' !!I think the child WAS the prey ! | |||
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