is see in the hunting reports that air canada has won its fight to charge a $50 fee for handling firearms. that is $50 is US for americans and $50 canadian for others. I used to really enjoy hunting canada, but with the firearms things going on there I just chose not to go anymore.

I can appreciate your frustrations with Air Canada and our gun laws but your logic is counterintuitive.

The best way to show Air Canada their misguided ways is to select (hunter/shooter friendly) alternative airlines. If enough of us hunters and firearm enthusiasts go out of our way to find alternate carriers, Air Canada will soon get the message. Although it would not bother me a bit if they figured it all out too late.

As a point of interest, I have found dealing with the U.S. in almost anything firearms-related to be more onerous than dealing with our own government. Neither situation is good.

I certainly would not put off a great experience in Canada or anywhere else for that matter, just because one particular service provider is playing "holier than thou" with their clients. If you choose not to hunt in Canada because of these misguided beliefs, then Air Canada and their sickening social agenda indeed wins. And we are working hard on the whole gun registration issue. Cheers, Mike

What we need here between US and Canada is some sort of Passport where we declare our firearms and we get checked by both sides or one side and that will be good for 5 years to travel between our countries.
On the border we showing the pass, and we free to go, no hastle going south or north.

i am not sure what air canada has won? it seems to me the canadian people and gov't lost tourist revenue.

It seems like the canadian gov't and maybe the people as well, are tired of the hunters from the lower 48 who bring their uber magnums up there and can't hit anything with them. so they charge the $50 gun registration fee, $50 air canada gun handling fee, airport renovation fee, provincial trophy fee, the royal fee fee, etc. seems like a lot of fees to me. the next thing is starting soon, (not sure of the start date) you will now have to have a passport to travel u.s. to canada.

i used to make 1-2 trips per year there and then they started with this b.s.. there are alternatives. not just for airlines, but for hunting destinations as well...

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the next thing is starting soon, (not sure of the start date) you will now have to have a passport to travel u.s. to canada.

You guys kill me. I just can't fricken believe it sometimes.

First off, what I have quoted above is exactly bass-fricken-ackwards. This whole passport thing started because the US gov't is forcing Canadians to have passports to travel into the US!!!!!!!

Second, if I want to take a firearm to the US, I have to apply two fricken months in advance and have copies of hunting licences, an invitation to go hunting or to participate in a competitive shoot, etc. Then the BATF might grant me a permit to temporarilly import my firearm, and more often then not, you are lucky if you get the permit in time.

Meanwhile, US citizens can drive to the border, pay $50 to get their firearms licence and drive off with no hassle whatsoever. While I am not a fan of the licencing requirement, at least you don't have to apply months in advance.

And $50 extra to fly on Air Canada...well I don't like it either, but boo-fricken-hoo. I am sure it won't kill you financially. Again, at least you can take your firearms.

How many of you US citizens realize that a Canadian citizen CAN NOT transit the US with a firearm on the way to another destination? That's right, it ain't legal to do so. Therefore, I can't legally fly via Atlanta to Johannesburg to hunt there, even if I never actually take possession of my firearms (except to re-check them at the airport).

US citizens can quite easily transit Canada on their way to another hunting/shooting destination.

Did you know that I can't order gun parts (over $100 in value) or ammunition (or any component of ammuntion, of any value) from the US because the US goverment won't allow exports of that nature without an incredibly expensive export permit (that most US companies won't bother with due to the expense)? Canada will let the stuff in no problem, but the US goverment won't allow the exports.

I am not anti-American....quite the opposite in fact. But I get real tired of this anti-Canadian sentiment, particularly when the facts are that our gun laws are friendlier to non-residents than your own are! Take a look in the mirror before you start slamming your neighbor and talking about boycotting them for having laws that are friendlier than your own. Maybe you should boycott hunting in your own country until they make it more reasonable for Canadians to come hunt there too.

Rant off...

Canuck

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Originally posted by cold zero:

the next thing is starting soon, (not sure of the start date) you will now have to have a passport to travel u.s. to canada.
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i did not say that it was the canadian gov't that passed this into law. my point was that it is getting more difficult to travel, especially across borders and more expensive.

i am glad to read that you are not anti american. i can't say the same for the rest of this board. see the thread started by canuck 45 and the recent comment, which i could not locate (maybe someone can help out), about americans coming up here to hunt with their uber magnums that they can't hit anything with....yada yada yada

i know for a fact the guys i know who used to amke 1-2 trips per season to canada, myself included, no longer do. due in large part to the reasons mentioned above.

oh and here is another one. how about the criminal background check as part of the process to get your gun over. i.e. a d.w.i. arrest 15 or 30 years ago means you are a no go. i also know several guys who won't go due to this.

Well said Canuck.

I was going to hunt in the U.S. last year but when I disovered the volumes of paperwork required to bring my own firearm, I politely passed at the opportunity. I hope to get there next year, but it will definitely be with a bow.

It took UPS two months NOT to deliver a laminate stock I had purchased on EBay ($75)because of their corporate and U.S. government regulations. Thankfully, the seller from Idaho found an alternative and legal method for shipping.

Numrich Gun Parts (a great company by the way) could no longer sell to me because the U.S. government required me to purchase an import permit. I guess they were threatened with all the Sako Deluxe wood stocks I was accumulating.

The passport issue, as Canuck correctly pointed out, was initiated by the U.S. and criticized by the Canadian government.

I have had the opportunity and priviledge to hunt with many of my American neighbors on guided hunts in B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nunavut. The vast majority were outstanding hunters and great people. I still keep in contact with many of these new friends. However there were a few that came up with their uber magnums, talking nonsense, crap and all and I sincerely hope they do find alternatives to Canada. With their condescending attitudes and narcissistic behaviour, I suspect they will be equally welcome. Cheers, Mike

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Originally posted by cold zero:

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Originally posted by cold zero:

the next thing is starting soon, (not sure of the start date) you will now have to have a passport to travel u.s. to canada.
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i did not say that it was the canadian gov't that passed this into law. my point was that it is getting more difficult to travel, especially across borders and more expensive.

i am glad to read that you are not anti american. i can't say the same for the rest of this board. see the thread started by canuck 45 and the recent comment, which i could not locate (maybe someone can help out), about americans coming up here to hunt with their uber magnums that they can't hit anything with....yada yada yada

i know for a fact the guys i know who used to amke 1-2 trips per season to canada, myself included, no longer do. due in large part to the reasons mentioned above.

oh and here is another one. how about the criminal background check as part of the process to get your gun over. i.e. a d.w.i. arrest 15 or 30 years ago means you are a no go. i also know several guys who won't go due to this.

cold zero, after this post I will have 14 posts to this board. I would love for you to show me the thread I started about the Americans coming up to Canada with their uber magnums that they can't hit anything with... yada yada yada.

If you checked, the criminal background check works the same way on both sides of the border. It is identical in nature and duration.

I am not anti-American. The fact that you make such a nonsensical statement really annoys me. I am firmly and proudly pro-American. For the record, I am strongly against those who choose to willingly spread B.S. regardless of nationality. cheers, Mike

canuck45;

read what i said. there are others on here that are anti american. the quote i referred to was on here last week and now it is gone. i did not say that you said it. i did say "the statement". if i cold now find this comment, that would be different. it has been deleted, by whomever said it.

i can tell you that the thread you did start, reading it from an american perspective, seemed to be directed or slamming americans. i did get an anti american vibe from it.

you said you are not anti american. i am glad to hear that. what i have read from you did not give me that impression. our 2 countries should continue to work together with all the serious problems in the world today, we both need allies.

as for canadians traveling to the u.s., no i did not check on that, why would i? i do know about going over the border the other way though. it has gotten expensive and mired in red tape. i am not saying the u.s. policies are any better. i don't even have full knowledge of wht exactly they are. it is a sad state of affairs on both sides of the border when it comes to traveling, especially over borders in general.

if i was not clear on anything, feel free to p.m. me.

regards.

c.z.

I don't wish to prolong the mudslinging, but I must agree with Canuck's comments. I have travelled with firearms to countries in Africa, South America and Europe, and the United States is by far the most difficult country for a non-resident alien to enter with firearms. To make matters worse, a Canadian cannot even transit through the US to another country with firearms. Trapped as we are at the north end of North America it is very difficult to get anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere without crossing the US. Bizarre American firearm regulations usually require Canadians to take highly circuitous routes just to avoid crossing the American border with firearms.

Well, it's your country and you can do as you please without objection from me, but I do object to the sneering attitude exhibited by some folks when asked to deal with Canadian import regulations, which are a snap compared to American import regs.

As far as Air Canada is concerned, I agree they are raging a$$holes. Other carriers fly into Canada. Try one of them.

cold zero, obviously my thread on Canadian Whitetail cartridges was satire and very facetious. I can only assure you that it was not directed at American hunters. I am sorry and apologize if it came off that way. That was not my intention.

Unfortunately, and I don't know where it originated, people have been led to believe that Canadian deer are much harder to kill than American deer. Craig Boddington once wrote that the 300 Winchester mag was the absolute minimum cartridge for Saskatchewan whitetails. I am certain that he had a great many readers on both sides of the 49th laughing until our sides hurt. To his credit and some time later he wrote an article on his regret for such a silly statement.

9/11 forever changed lives. I think a lot of the issues we have brought up in this thread were done under the auspices of The Patriot Act. I may not neccessarily agree with many of these U.S. restrictions, but I will respect them. I don't agree with many of the Canadian restrictions and regulations and I am trying to change them. Canada and the U.S. offer great beauty and hunting. Don't let the government or an airline dictate your potential to enjoy the opportunity. Cheers, Mike

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oh and here is another one. how about the criminal background check as part of the process to get your gun over. i.e. a d.w.i. arrest 15 or 30 years ago means you are a no go.

As mentioned by Canuck45, this goes both ways when getting cleared to possess firearms in either country. I even know a few people that can't enter the US at all (with firearms or without) due to the fact they have an old DUI conviction.

I also agree with Wooley ESS...Air Canada are jerks...if you can get on another carrier to your destination, definitely use them. That's the only way to make a point with AC.

My one and only point above is "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones". I understand most US citizens don't know how difficult their own government makes it for non-residents, but really, you should...especially if you are going to be critical of other country's policies.

Boycotting Canada only hurts the guys that make a living guiding non-residents, and hunting in general. The Canadian government doesn't care whether you hunt here or not, just like the US government didn't give a crap that I couldn't take my own firearms to RSA because I bought my tickets through Atlanta, nor do they care that I have been to Africa two more times since by travelling through Europe instead of the US. The business of hunting is just not a big enough deal for either government to care.

The worst thing that any of us can do is give in to the red tape. Hell, its exactly what they want and will just make it easier for them to stop it completely one day.

Its exactly why I encourage every shooter/hunter I know to buy a handgun, whether they really want one or not. I don't like the permitting either, but the more people that own and use handguns, the harder it will be for them to be arbitrarilly taken away.

Keep coming to Canada, and it'll help keep hunting a way of life for all of us.

Cheers,
Canuck

When I crossed into Canada It wasn't bad at all.
All I had to do was register my rifles and show my passport And of course pay for the rifles being registered. If you have everything in order its no problem. And I stoped at the American side and registered my rifles in the US
before I got to the Canada side.

sorry if i started a minor war, but to explain - if I come into canada with a gun I must register it. Our laws prevent the govt. from obtaining gun registry thru our dealers. Now if I must register in canada our ATF can and does obtain the information from the canadian govt. Now since this has been obtained from a foreign nation, they can and do keep it on file, thereby registering the gun owner. This might seem silly to some, but my persona dictated that I am very much against any violation of gun ownership freedoms, and thus I will not abide by anything that violates them. In the case of air canada, this is just another bullshit way in which large corporation try go make an immoral buck.

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I am very much against any violation of gun ownership freedoms,

So are a lot of Canadians. We don't like the gun registry any more than you do, but have to tolerate it for the time being (which should not be long if the elected leaders keep their promises). I am sorry your own government (BATF) uses such backhanded measures to obtain firearm ownership information about you.

If your persona will not allow you to abide by "any violation of gun ownership freedoms", I assume you are doing something about what the BATF is doing to track and record your firearm related activities outside your own country. That seems like a greater invasion of privacy than for a foreign country to at least want to: a) know that non-resident aliens carrying a firearm into their country at least do so with firearms they legally own, and 2) then track the serial numbers etc, so that they can verify the visitors to their country are also taking the same firearms back home with them afterwards. Every country I have ever entered with firearms does that at a minimum (they all require a permit of some kind). Would you want people with firearms entering the US without someone checking to ensure they have a reason for bringing it, and can verify whenever asked that they do have permission to possess it in your country (ie. a permit that says so)? It would be great if we had the kind of freedom that would allow us to avoid all that, but in our world post-911 its not likely to happen. You know you want your country to be checking the backgrounds of non-residents possessing firearms while entering your country, and I am sure you want some mechanism for keeping track of them. And I must assume that you would not try to tell us Canadians that its not OK for us to have a comparable level of rigor around "homeland security" than your country has (especially after the US admonished us for being too lax in this regard, by allowing terrorists to transit our country on the way to the US!!). So, I assume then that the real issue is that your laws should also prevent your government from obtaining firearms registry from foreign countries. It sounded to me in your initial post that you are blaming Canada for all this, but I can only assume at this point that I misunderstood.

I must also assume that your persona will not allow you to abide by the incredibly more rediculous laws (compared to Canada) that your country has with respect to non-resident aliens that want to hunt or shoot competitively in the US...and that you are probably doing something about it as a result. From a Canadian to whom this matters, please accept my sincere thanks for your efforts.

We are all in this together afterall...no matter what side of the 49th you were born on.


Cheers,
Canuck

butchbloc, I don't think you started a war it just appears that there is a lack of information in regard to regulations and legislation on both sides of the border. I understand your concerns with regard to having your firearm registered and then entered into a universal database. I do not like the registry and would prefer anonymity in my ownership of firearms.

Here is a question for my American neighbors. A couple of years ago I purchased a Springfield XD pistol. In the box, along with the various accessories, there was a small envelope that contained a single shell casing. I thought it might be from the test shoot but was told that it was a sample from that particular firearm. I was further told, and have never substantiated, that a similar casing had been sent to the FBI for their ballistics forensic database. If true, I found this to be most remarkable, almost similar to a registry. A short while later, I purchased a Canadian made Para-Ordinance. There was no accompanying shell casing. Is there any truth to the shell casing story? Cheers, Mike

yes there is some truth - masachuts required this on some politicians whim. they thought that they could trace criminals this way. it didn't work (suprise) but I believe the law is still on the books there.

Guys; thanks for bringing me up to speed on the u.s. gun import procedure/hassles. you have my sympathies on that, and i do empathize with you. i think it is unfortunate.

canuck45;

i think we are now on the same page. that being said, viewing your thread from an american's perspective, i did not see the satire in it. since i felt that it was mainly directed toward us.

i do not feel that canadian deer are armor plated. however, since i have shot both kinds of whitetail i do feel that they are a sub species of the same species, if that makes sense. that is why my s.c.i. chapter has a separate award for canadian deer. they are twice the size of our deer and it does take a bit more to put them down with authority. they are a much larger and stronger animal that needs to be that way, just to survive the longer harsh northern climates.

i do not really see what the big deal is about what caliber guys want to shoot their deer with, .270, 7mm, .280, .303, .30-30, .300 w.m. they all work and in my book dead is dead. whatever caliber i use, i tend to go with medium to heavy for caliber gr. premium bullets, my choice. these hunts are so expensive and sometimes opportunities come rarely if at all, i do not feel that saving money by not using premium grade ammo, is a good idea.

c45; you are correct about 911 changing many things that will never be the same again. I served at ground zero and was hunting moose in b.c. 2 weeks later when we started the war in a-stan and as a result we were stuck on the wrong side of the border. i went thru a lot of things that month that i will never forget. as for air canada, i would avoid doing business with them if at all possible.

unfortunatley, i think the biggest losers in this whole border/travel thing have been the canadian outfitter's, guides and their families. the biggest winners have been the alaskan outfitters who picked up some of that business from guys who no longer wanted or no longer qualified for travel to canada.

These crazy laws, either Canadian or US, are unfortunate. It does seem they are not so fair to foreign travellers and visitors. I suspect it is intentional. Under the guise of crime and terror these laws make life difficult for law abiding sportsmen.


I am editing to add a link to some info on export regulations.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=...=990105665#990105665

I have a daughter that works for Air Canada but that aside I can see the company losing a great deal of business. Regina is served entirely by Regional Jets , small 50 seaters with a minimum of luggage space and only room for three dogs per flight. Over the last few years I have been at the airport on numerous occassions to pick up incoming hunters. Rarely do they arrive with all luggage and their dog. One time it was 5 of 6 arriving on four different flights and only the one fellow getting all his luggage on time.


Air Canada charges 50 dollars for a gun case with up to 2 guns per case. They are given no special care here and come off the carousel with all other luggage. On top of the $50 Air Canada charges $105 for extra luggage so many hunters find they are paying $ 155 each way.


West Jet also serves Regina and has no special firearms fee and only bills $45 for extra luggage.



As for the pass port rules etc as stated it is Canada following a US iniative.



The yearly fee for importing a gun can be avoided by frequent visitors by applying for the same registration as a Canadian good for five years rather than the temporary permit most hunters opt for. Of course this information will be available to BATF. The choice is up to the individual.

I believe that C.Z. may have taken some of my comments as anti on another post, but he couldn't be more wrong I have a support W'04 sticker on my jeep and at one piont we flew the red, white and blue right beside the maple leaf at our farm. Trust me, I am not against the US (except Hilary Clinton, I can't stand that waste of skin).
Yes, I have a problem with our braggin', "one ragged hole at 500yds, five shots" uber-magnum draggin' southern drawl brothers. I've seen first hand the problems our gun rags have caused with their misguided advertising. Too many people think you need .329 ulra-smashers to kill 300lb deer. Oh, and the rifle has to have cost at least $3500, or it won't be minute of deer either. B*lls**t. You ask any outfitter worth a grain what he'd like to see a hunter show up with, a well worn .270 Winchester with a 4x weaver, or a Custom Ubermeyer .322 Shortand Mash'em, with a 5.5-33x60. Don't think I hate magnums cause I love my .338 Winchester and my .300 WSM, but I've killed four times more animals with a .270 packin 130gr soft points.

Now back to the real topic. $50? Why does or half-witted government keep bailing that joke of a company out. Let them sink. Like Canuck said, Fly West Jet or some other 'gun friendly' company. As much as I ranted above I do like watching those southern boys jump up and down like 5 year-olds at christmas when they plant a bullet. Oh, and the always bring good copenhagen, and Jimmy Beam with them. It's hard to dislike someone with Jim Beam in their hand. Makes me realize how lucky I am to live in such game rich country without having to pay $50 to fly an old hunting buddy with me. I'd apologize for our policies, but I don't make them. I have to suffer with them. Hope to see some Southern boys the winter, and I was thinking about Wyoming pronghorn, or Dakota pheasants some years soon.

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Originally posted by PeterPan:
What we need here between US and Canada is some sort of Passport where we declare our firearms and we get checked by both sides or one side and that will be good for 5 years to travel between our countries.
On the border we showing the pass, and we free to go, no hastle going south or north.

Good post.

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Originally posted by Murf:
Air Canada charges 50 dollars for a gun case with up to 2 guns per case. They are given no special care here and come off the carousel with all other luggage. On top of the $50 Air Canada charges $105 for extra luggage so many hunters find they are paying $ 155 each way.

Sounds illegal to me. Anybody could steal them. If I can be busted for careless storage so should Air Canada.

I don't agree with the 50 bucks especially since they don't do anything extra for it. But if you can afford 3-6K for a silly old white tail hunt what the hell does an extra 50bucks matter?

the chef

I am told that Air Canada is not owned any longer by the Canadian government or by Canadians. Rather, it is owned by an American cartel. Does anyone have info on this??

Air Canada is part of the Star alliance, recently went bankrupt, wasn't bailed out by the govt, hasnt been owned by the govt in years, I believe American airlines is a shareholder.

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Our laws prevent the govt. from obtaining gun registry thru our dealers.

All those ATF forms you have to fill in are defacto registration. Those forms are how the ATF knew who had purchased a .223 calibre rifle when those two nut bars were shooting up the DC area.
The really scary part of crossing the border isn't U.S. Customs. It's our customs types wanting to be armed. I'd be leery about giving them a sharp pencil, never mind a firearm.
Nice people, for the most part, but they're overpaid tax collecting clerks, not law enforcement types. Arming them without doing the normal psyche tests, cops have to do is nuts.

Uh, Sunray, I'm law enforcment and those psych tests your talking about are non-existent. Not even the RCMP have one. And arming our border guards is a stellar idea for law enforcement, but their training for carry needs to be given only to serious full-time workers. It's kinda hard to tell a guy your going to strip search his car, and then go running to the US authorities when crap hits the fan for help, and still be taken seriously. And the tax collecting clerks thing, you can again thank the Liberal Monkey Machine for that one.

First time in here. I see that you all really get into the pissing contests just like we do in the political forum.
Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!

If I had the opportunity to hunt Canada in any form, I would not let $50 stand in the way. Sight in and use core-lokts instead of tsx. You can save $50 that way. Makes as much sence.

OK... I'll ignore my better judgement and go way out on a limb here for post #1.

I'm quite confident that none of us... Canadians or Americans... agree with 100% of what our governments, fellow citizens, or corporate citizens say, do or write. I'm also quite confident that, in too many cases, someone who posts about stuff like that ends up coming across wrong and, while the person reading the post might actually agree with the general opinion, it is all lost in a falsely perceived anti-Canadian or anti-American tone or sentiment. There's really no point in even discussing stuff like this - we'll never resolve anything (I doubt the CEO of Air Canada is a member here).

I signed up here to talk with fellow shooting enthusiasts and hopefully learn a thing or three. I don't care where you're from. We all like to hunt and shoot, so we'd best get along. Fake it if you have to, because the anti-gun crowd (oh and PETA... can't forget them) would just love to see us distracted and bickering about some $50 fee, while they see to it that we lose our rights altogether. The $50 won't seem too important when none of us are even allowed to own guns. But for now we do, and we can go almost anywhere in the world to shoot or hunt with them with only a little paperwork and a small fee. I, for one, still feel lucky about that.

Oh... and I'd also like to say "Hi everyone... I'm new here".

Hello back to ya. I agree with some of your points but do see a special $50 fee for an item that is handled the same way as any luggage as being excessive. Also the $105 per additional piece is way out of line.


If you are concerned about the minor disagreements here then i advise you to stay clear of the political forum, unless you can see through the posturing over there.

Personally, I love hunting in Canada, and consider the new fees just one more hoop through which to jump. A lousy hundred bucks, when taken in the context of a ten thousand dollar trip is chump change, so it won't be the money that would stop me from flying Air Canada. I will use other airlines for another reason, however. On two hunting trips to BC, my luggage was very late in arriving, one time on the third day of a ten day hunt. Air Canada was unconcerned about my problems. If possible, I will travel another airline in the future.

Both you Canucks got balls as big as beer barrels in your myopia. I'll be the first to tell you that some of the most obnoxious border cops are American pricks trying to make a name for themselves and make life miserable for anyone who passes either way. Usually, I've found the Canadian guys to be much more "house broken". Having said that, I was hunting in November of 2001 and was crossing into Ontario and caught a raft of shit from a Canuck. His remark to me was, "Don't you know about 9-11." I was pissed. I told him that 9-11 didn't have shit to do with American coming into Canada but rather rag heads coming into America from Canada. I flew into Edmonton in 2002 and got that same crap as if the Canadian customs was trying to "get even" with the American pencil pushers. What I got there was the same "reams of paperwork" you're talking about. So don't act like you guys are the Lone Rangers in this issue. It is BOTH of us and as sportsmen, it's US against all these liberal assholes who would just as soon see us have ALL OUR GUNS CONFISCATED. I've read your laws and if you hadn't elected a new PM, that's likely just what would have happened to you guys. So stop this citizenry bating. A damned moose that walks across an imaginary line between the U.S. and Canada could give a damn about which side of the border he got shot on. Only silly assed politicians make the humans pay attention to such BS.

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Both you Canucks got balls as big as beer barrels in your myopia.

?????

Nice rant.

I am not sure if I am one of the Canuck's you are referring to, but if I am you might want to try actually reading one of my posts.

If you will, please note that my only point was for US citizens to observe their own laws and the effect of them on Canadians BEFORE they start bashing ours and threatening boycotts. Most of the rest of us Canucks on this thread were saying the same thing.

A pot calling the kettle black phenomenon, so to speak.

We weren't bashing the US as much as saying that its out of line to bash Canada when your own laws are harder on non-residents than ours are on Americans.

Plain enough?

Cheers,
Canuck

NOW I can buy that, but Canuck, I think it's all a matter of perspective. YOUR laws are harder on us Americans because they are different than what we endure. You may not have any idea how difficult it is for us to go from State to State here. Many states make it necessary for us to actually move the guns in our vehicles when we cross their state lines. So as I said, you aren't the Lone Ranger here. OURS are harder on YOU for the same reason. BOTH OF US are being screwed by our politicians and we can both agree with that.

I have a large number of US friends that come to Canada to shoot TR on a regular basis. They simply get a Canadian PAL and avoid the charge at the border. Usually they are waved through. Wish the US had a similar deal.

F.Y.I.:

Long and informative article in the Dec. issue of The Hunting Report on this, see pages 10-11.

There was another shorter article in the Nov. issue as this publication has been followign this as it upfolded.

The Hunt Report called for a boycott once the fee started. Among other things they felt that not charging guys with gold club bags or surfboards was discriminatory and unfair to gun owners. Additionally to charge u.s. dollars for the $50 to Amercians and Candian dollars to canadians was another example of the discrimatory nature of this fee.

for discussion purposes:

Calgary to Edmonton last month was $237.80, plus $100 gun handling gouge makes the ticket $337.80. increasing the cost of this ticket by 40%. if you add in the $150 round trip cost of transporting a firearm as a third peice of luggage the cost of the $237.80 ticket now costs the hunter $487.80. The cost of transporting the firearm is now $250 , that is more than the cost of the $237.80 ticket. what a gouge. b.t.w. they also charge $125 plus tax each way for transporting antlers.

At this point it appears unlikely that the gun charges will by dropped by a.c..

The Hunting Report lists 8 other airlines that could be used as an alternative to a.c. as the Hunting report boycott continues.

Sorry for not posting this last week. been a little busy with the holidays.