I'm assuming that there are still a lot of .303 Enfields that account for the winter meat supply in Canada today. Is that a correct assumption? What are your favorite loads?
Posts: 16699 | Location: Las Cruces, NM | Registered: 03 June 2000
Bill, when I was younger and lived in Winnipeg I used either a 4/1 or an old Mauserk98 that my dad brought back in 45. Now that I have an income and live in BC I mostly use a custom 308, WeatherbyMk5 in 300Wby or an older Italian Hawken in 50 percussion. I also just added a Mathews Featherlight Max bow to the mix. By the way, I inherited the 303 and the 8mm and still have them. derf
Posts: 3450 | Location: Aldergrove,BC,Canada | Registered: 22 February 2003
I really wonder why no US ammo manufacturer has the minimal entrepreneurial spirit to revive the old and proven 215 grains load - the simple soft point roundnose in this weight was probably best hunting ever used in the .303 British.
Carcano
Posts: 2452 | Location: Old Europe | Registered: 23 June 2001
hello; I've got a Korean War rebuilt #4, that I carry as bear repellant, while trail riding during the summer, I've had the barrel shortened to minimal length and installed a good set of iron sights, zeroed to 100 yds. the good news is I can legally carry a 10 shot magazine. The bad news is that it has the sloppiest chamber I have ever seen on a Lee Enfield. I don't even think about reloading the cases. Even in my younger days, when all I had was a .303, I never considered any bullet except the excelent CIL 180 grn. Saber Tip. Griz
Quote: I'm assuming that there are still a lot of .303 Enfields that account for the winter meat supply in Canada today. Is that a correct assumption? What are your favorite loads?
You didn't get the memo? The .303 is Canada's Official Calibre.
Posts: 8827 | Location: CANADA | Registered: 25 August 2004
Thanks Fellas. I kinda figured my hunting brothers to the north still had a soft spot for the old warhorse. I am fixing to hunt elk with an old BSA No. 1 Mk. III that's been whittled on. Plan to use some 225-grain .312 JSPs I have swaged up in a load at about 2100. To paraphrase Jeff Cooper, they may not be moving very fast, but then neither does a medicine ball.
Posts: 16699 | Location: Las Cruces, NM | Registered: 03 June 2000
Quote: Though there are a fair number of old 303's around I have as yet not seen a single one in the hunting field.
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Up here 30-06's , 338s and 7mms in Rem mag form rule
My feelings exactly. While they may have been popular for hunting 30 or 40 years ago very few hunters need to hunt today with the old battle rifles the .303 came chambered in.
The .303 was a fine old cartridge in it's day and while it is true that more big game has been killed in Canada with it and the .30-30 Winchester I would also hazard a guess that the number of animals that have been wounded and lost with those two rounds is greater than the number that actually made it to the dinner table.
Here in Western Canada it is still the .30-06, .308, and .270 that rule in the "standard" cartridges with the 7mm Remington, .300 Winchester and the .338 Winchester as the top pick when it comes to the magnums.
Posts: 277 | Location: McLeese Lake, B. C. Canada | Registered: 06 June 2003
I still carry a 303 quite often. I load it with some left over 215 KKSP bullets I have. I also hunt with a #4 I have rebarreled to 30/40 Krag which I load with 180s at 2550 or 220s at 2300. With this rifle, both in it's new caliber and as a .303, I have taken more animals than with everything else put together. I've had it since I was 14 (a while). Cartridges which perform at the velocity levels produced by cartridges such as the 303, 30/40, 308, 35 Whelen etc.,are effective and reliable performers with conventional bullets. Regards, Bill.
There is a limit as to how much nostalgia a man can stand. I am not going to build up a .303 to go bear hunting in Ontario, y' hear me, not! Of course that's today's statement. Tomorrow is a different day.
Posts: 2690 | Location: Lakewood, CA. USA | Registered: 07 January 2001
There is an old saying about the 303 British that goes " more animals have been shot with the 303 British than any other cartridge in the world, problem is that more animals have been wounded with the 303 than any other cartridge in the word".
I grew up with my Dad using a 303 British on everything from Deer, Cariboo, Moose and Bears here in British Columbia. I'm now 45 years old and still have that old rifle in my safe. I take it along sometimes but have not carried it since 1988 when I was bow hunting in big bear country. I cut the stock off to a pistol grip thinking that a 10 round mag in the old 303 gave me some pretty good backup. Cam
Quote: There is a limit as to how much nostalgia a man can stand. I am not going to build up a .303 to go bear hunting in Ontario, y' hear me, not! Of course that's today's statement. Tomorrow is a different day.
You keep sweet talking like that Sarge we're gonna have to give you honourary citizenship.
Posts: 8827 | Location: CANADA | Registered: 25 August 2004
I have a .303SMLE and use it quite a bit at the range but rarely hunt with it. When I used to fly in for moose in Northern Ontario I noticed quite a few Indians who use the .303. It's rather popular with them. Probably there are more of them used for deer, especially by Indians. Best wishes.
I was just out shooting my 303 today. I put a old Wever K3 scope on it and shot a few groups with some Siera 180psp and IMR 4350. This old junker gun (built in 1916?) shoots better than most of the new rifles I have bought lately. Hard to swallow.
Posts: 104 | Location: Alberta | Registered: 24 June 2003
I have taken the 303 out for moose and deer on several ocassions, no conections with it to date. My cousin, uses it exclusevly, and has about five moose to its credit, three of those one shot kills.
my #4 shoots 1moa as a rule with the cheapest ammo I can buy. anyone that puts the .303 down doesn't have a clue. these old girls continue to kill more animals in canada then any other caliber. they are everywhere.
Posts: 59 | Location: British Columbia | Registered: 20 December 2003
Quote: I really wonder why no US ammo manufacturer has the minimal entrepreneurial spirit to revive the old and proven 215 grains load - the simple soft point roundnose in this weight was probably best hunting ever used in the .303 British.
Carcano
Carcano, I've read that many times - many times! I won't argue it was/was not a good load, however one must also realize the limitations. That load would make the .303 a very short range weapon, putting it "almost" down to muzzleloader velocities. Good for bush hunting ?? You bet.
Good for mule deer....maybe not as good as 150 grainers.....
Johnny, I think it's because traditionally the meat most hunters went after here in "the old days" was moose. The 215 gr load works great on moose. You are correct, the 150 gr load will do anything to deer that a similar weight 308 or 30-06 will do, no flies on that one. I'd still like to see the 215 available, even as components (perhaps even more so). - Dan
Posts: 5285 | Location: Alberta | Registered: 05 October 2001
I hunted for several years with a No 4 Mk 1 sporterized rifle. Then moved on to various other rifles. Every once in a while i take the old girl out and she still does her thing very well. comments about the wounding rate of the .303 are often heard but never proven. Even if true would such a comment be because of simple numbers of the guns in use at one time or due to the fact many bought the gun for a once a year shooter. I recall when they went for the grand price of $9.49 in the late fifties and into the sixties. There is nothing wrong with the caliber or for that matter the common rifles No1 Mk3 or No4 Mk1's are usually accurate enough for hunting. But when they were cheap they were often bought by very casual hunters and often abused by their owners. I know of several that were left behind the seat of trucks uncleaned and unoiled and exposed to daily freeze and thaw cycles for over a year between uses. Needless to add it was very rare to see one of these guns with any improved sighting system installed.