I am surprised that a link has not been provided for us to register our displeasure with the Gun Registry. I cannot do a link but the address to the online petition is
http://www.petitiononline.com/scrapc68/
I hope everyone here will partake of this petition! derf

Derf, we who fought C-68 tooth and nail from day one have seen how little impact that a petition has in altering the social engineering agenda of the Government.
Thanks for trying but I think we are riding a dead horse, the only hope we have of scrapping this draconian legislation is a wholesale change of govenment, and I can not see this any time soon with the support C-68 has with the Bloc, and the NDP.

You are right Southpaw, but I refuse to quit while some of those bastards are still breathing! derf

Well it looks like we are preaching to the choir, as they say.
Dont quite and neither will the rest of us.

The only way that this legislation will be changed is incrementally, bit by bit, and all of our protestations and rhetoric is a waste of time and energy. The Liberals, the N.D.P., the Bloc AND the Conservatives are ALL statist parties who firmly believe in strong, centralized government that controls the people. We have NEVER had a truely populist, freedom respecting, minimalist government in Canada and I seriously doubt that we ever will.

The majority of Canadians simply do not care about freedom, gun owners rights or even simple reality in terms of our need for self defense and the huge waste of tax dollars on this insanity. They care about getting MORE services and goodies from governments, a "national day care programme" being a case in point. Then, instead of children being brainwashed by the Teacher's Federations starting at six years old, they can begin the social engineering process a few years earlier; it kinda reminds me of the Konsomol of young communists or of "Der Hitler Jugend".............

It's about water, folks, that is the real reason behind our diminishing freedoms!

The most telling arguement against C-68,is waste of money.If it becomes enough of a boondogle in the voter's eyes,certainly those in TO and Montreal,it's toast.This goverment can't afford to look like they waste money.

I too, will fight to the end, but, this petition has been posted here before. Maybe by me? (getting old I guess, don't remember)

Kutenay,

I hate bill 68 too - and won't comply.

I'm a teacher - and remarks on that are waaay off base. We don't think alike or vote alike. The BCTF is run (as most unions are) by the activists - on my staff people who'd vote conservative outnumber people who'd vote NDP 3 to 1. Liberals probably would get more votes than either of the other two. Sorry to ruin a good rant. But I can tell by reading it...you haven't spent much time in BC staffrooms.

BcBrian I've never been in a BC teachers staff room but I've been in a BC teachers classroom and they all seemed like a bunch of health care loving commies to me. That aside repeal bill C68 needs help, the NFA needs our support even if you dont agree with everithing they say or do,they are our voice,also I would urge Canadian AR members to do as I have and join the NRA and American AR members if you would find it in your hearts to help thwart the liberals in creating the totalitarian regime that will undoubtedly be used as an example against your freedoms by left loving democrats and join our NFA. If anybody hase other ideas or plans I would like to help as best I can. C68 hase got to go.

I've fought it to the $ of about 1.5 complete african safaris or 4 elk hunts.Non of which I'll see. Not whinning,just tired. If any body(and I meant that as two diff. words)to not have taken up 1/4 the fight then,but now. Thanks NO !!

My comment concerning the teacher's federations was based on hard facts, not on a desire to rant. Brian, in calling my remarks a rant, employs the usual leftist method of "argumentum ad hominem" by implying that they are based merely on irrational emotions and thus lack foundation. This is how those who cannot control a discussion or contribute to it in a meaningful fashion frequently attempt to denigrate those with whom they disagree, a sad reflection on the state of intellectual ability in the ...staff rooms...

As to being ...off base..., I am a TAXPAYER and CITIZEN of Canada and since my excessive taxes help pay for the equally excessive salaries of these teachers, I have the right to comment upon their activities, period. His comments concerning the voting patterns of his colleagues tend to support my initial observations, not contradict them, as all of the political parties mentioned are fundamentally statist and have strongly opposed individual firearms freedoms in recent years.

The BCTF is a radical leftwing group and while it's spokespersons may be ...activists..., the fact remains that ALL teachers follow it's policies and the group strongly supports the NDP and has for years. If, one supports this organization, one is a de facto supporter of the NDP, whether one admits it or not.

The BCTF has engaged in social engineering to the point of brainwashing students, the recent controversy in Surrey concerning the books advocating the perverted lifestyle of the sodomites is only one case in point. The elected members of the Surrey School Board and the vast majority of parents did not want these books in their school library, but, the BCTF fought for this travesty of justice in support of their member, James Chamberlain, a self-admitted sodomite. This IS social engineering writ large, whether every teacher supports it or not.

Canada, as a free, proud and egalitarian nation has been declining since the '60s and much of that is due to the actions of special interest groups and the morally bankrupt politicians who court their voting blocks; among these are the various "professional associations", including those of the school teachers. This is contributing to the destruction of our firearms rights, which I believe are inherent in my Canadian birth.

What we really need in Canada is a republic, founded upon libertarian principles and with a simple constitution that guarantees our individual freedoms. I do not see that coming to pass for decades, if ever, as the Trudopian lie has been so successful in destroying individualism and freedom; the activities of our "educators" are currently assisting in this process.

Well written kutenay, although I know of at least one teacher who is a hunter and archer that won't support the BCTF.
How would you feel about a return to the "common law" as our justice system? derf

Kutenay,

You never cease to amaze me. In matters relating to guns and hunting - your advice sounds so well thought out and reasoned.

In matters like your understanding of my union - the BCTF - and what it's trying to do - you sound so, well lets just say - different.

When the BCTF tries to make school a better place for the many students who were born gay - or endeavors to promote tolerance of people who are different - you then begin to loose all sense of reason with phrases like "advocating the perverted lifestyle of the sodomites" in an effort to twist what they are really trying to accomplish.

Oh well, someday attitudes like the ones you have about people born gay - will be relegated to the same place racist views are placed today - in history's trash heap.

Good day sir,

BCBrian,

So what about the people that are born Pedophiles?

Shall we make schools a better place for them and endeavor to promote tolerance for them as well?


Daryl

I couldn't have said it better. But will add this......

Keep your sick homosexuality to yourselves and quit polluting young impressionable minds and desicrating what marriage is and stands for. Which by my definition is a union between a man and a woman that can create a child, not just adopt one.

And......

What is the difference between homosexuality and people that are into beastiality?

Is beastiality also an acceptable practice that should be taught in school?

When are people into beastiality going to start crying discrimination because thier not allowed to marry thier dog?

Wow has this discussion ever gotten sidetracked...oh well, I'm as guilty as anyone is for continuing it.

I notice that often when a discussion about homosexuality takes place - social conservatives like to bring up bestiality and pedophilia. I guess it's a way to avoid the topic at hand.

For the record, as the father of an 18 year old boy and three young daughters still in their primary school years I'll say I presently worry a lot more about heterosexual pedophiles than I do about homosexual ones.Odds are, if something terrible happens to any one of my children, it would be to my daughters and it would probably be done by a man.

What do I think should happen to pedophiles? Live inprisonment would be my wish - real life, until death, or perhaps the death penalty.

Most studies of adolescent suicide state that being homosexual, because of how they are treated in school and society at large, is a frequent cause.

Just as I believe that I should treat a gay kid the way I'd want to be treated if I were born that way - you guys know about that - Jesus called it the second commandment. I believe it's my job to minimize bullying, torment, teasing, name-calling for every student I teach. I believe it's my job to try and make all kids feel safe in my school and respected and cared for.

I do that, for every kid. I don't pick and choose which kind of intolerance I'll ignore or look away from. Whether the kid is being tormented because he's the only one wearing a turban, or because he's fat, or because he's got bad acne, or because he goes home to a reservation, or because he's black, or because she's pregnant or because she her mom is living with a same sex lover - it doesn't matter!

Bullying, torment, teasing, being excluded, ridiculed, whatever - is just plain wrong - and it's not acceptable - in my home, my school or my class room.

My union (the BCTF) and myself are not trying to "promote" anything - except tolerance for people who are differant.We try and teach,and model, how to act with people who are different than ourselves. Slowly but surely - intolerance (of all kinds) is declining and tolerance for people who are different is growing. Thank God for that!

Just as Martil Luther King dreamed of a day that his children might be judged by the content of their character - rather than the colour of their skin - so to do I dream of a day that all students - regardless of their race, colour, religion, home-situation, economic class or yes, even their sexual orientation, will feel welcome, safe and valued in my school. Until that day comes...I'll continue to work towards promoting that ideal.

I do believe it's inevitable that we'll continue to get closer to that ideal year after year. And yes, I do firmly believe that someday homophobia will be as scorned as racism is today.And when we get there - the world will be a better place.

Jesus said "Judge not..lest ye be judged".

He also said "Do unto others as you'd have done to yourselves."

I think we'd all be advised to try and live those words!

Brian your message of love your neighbor as yourself is well meaning however in this well meaning tolerance the voice of inequity and abomination remain unanswerd. wich abomination?
Leviticus 18:22 "thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with with womankind: it is abomination." As one who would teach I believe care must be taken not to nurture the inequityes of others Exodus 23:3 "Neither shalt thou countenance a poor man in his cause."Lastly your end quotes judge not St Mark 4:24 "with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you."also StMatt7:2,StLuke6:38 but "do unto others as you'd have done to yourselves" I'm just not finding it maybe you could help.

Two things,
First...I teach in the public school system...not everyone in it is a Christian, so we don't push one religious view.
Second, Even if we did...I can find you Biblical quotes that state the appropriate penalty for working on the sabbath is stoning.
Attended any stonings lately?
I'm finished with this post now - by now you should know what I'm trying to accomplish when I teach...and I KNOW it's the right thing to do.If you believe in treating people the other way...I'm sad for you.

BCBrian,

This is edited because it needs to be in the political forum.

*See political Forum*



Daryl

How do you know they are born gay? It seems more likely that you have bit on some of the propaganda put out on this subject.

quote:

Originally posted by BCBrian:
Two things,
First...I teach in the public school system...not everyone in it is a Christian, so
we don't push one religious view.

This hasn't stopped you from using quotes from the Bible.

quote:

Second, Even if we did...I can find you Biblical quotes that state the appropriate penalty for working on the sabbath is stoning.
Attended any stonings lately?

You used quotes from the bible to support your opinion. Some one calls you on it and NOW the bible is obsolete???

quote:

I'm finished with this post now - by now you should know what I'm trying to accomplish when I teach...and I KNOW it's the right thing to do.If you believe in treating people the other way...I'm sad for you.

Who said anything about treating people the other way?
Who said anything about bullying, teasing, ect. Anyone can endure bullying. Students can get bullied for having good grades. Let alone being gay. The issue is not about acceptance of individual differences. I think most of us are for acceptance. There is a big differnce between accepting differences and promoting that difference.



Daryl

Bc Brian no need to feel sad for me I just think you should reconsider your do onto others phylosophy consider playing hockey at a AAA or higher level as I have the treatment is much different than the neighborhood shinny game I have to play by a different set of rules so that the game is rewarding and enjoyable for everyone even though I like a hard hitting fast paced game. If you could quote from the bible why dont you, chapter and verse would be nice, as far as stoning goes you could expect a christian to quote St.John 8:7" He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. " also because I care about the christian faith and how it is represented I feel compeled to remind you of 2Peter 2:1 .

Guys, FYI, the feds new Gay Marriage bill is also tabled as C-68.

So, when calling for a repeal of C-68, many people nowadays will assume you're calling for repeal of the gay marriage bill (which, TBH, isn't a bad sentiment, either).

However, to avoid confusion, I think we should all be stating simply "Repeal the useless gun registry".

Given the recent Mountie shootings, it too is a fair sentiment. That GD program has already proven to cost almost $2Billion and the deaths of these 4 Mounties can be directly attributed to the feds ineffective program which took cops and money away from crime prevention. Dump some of the responsibility on the courts, too, who were left to interpret the politician's ridiculous policies.

Exactly Fisher!

Murf and I have similar responces on a post on the Politcal Forum under 'shot cops'.



Daryl