For those who are citizens of Canada, do you think that there will ever be a possibility in the future that the tide will turn and handguns will again be allowed in Canada. I am not talking about politicians, but rather the Canadian people getting together and just saying enough is enough.

Everyday I am more amazed at some of the politicians here in Minnesota who used to really be against handguns but who now are saying that people ought to have a right to stand up for theirselves by carrying a conceled handgun.

It seems a really sad commentary on how things work, but here in Minnesota violence has been good for law abiding handgun ownership!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
For those who are citizens of Canada, do you think that there will ever be a possibility in the future that the tide will turn and handguns will again be allowed in Canada. I am not talking about politicians, but rather the Canadian people getting together and just saying enough is enough.

Everyday I am more amazed at some of the politicians here in Minnesota who used to really be against handguns but who now are saying that people ought to have a right to stand up for theirselves by carrying a conceled handgun.

It seems a really sad commentary on how things work, but here in Minnesota violence has been good for law abiding handgun ownership!!!!!!!

Not going to happen, I'm afraid. The majority of our population lives in Southern Ontario & Southern Quebec, and are brainwashed into believing guns, in general, especially handguns, are the embodiment of absolute evil.
There's a push in the legislature to abolish all handguns and ownership rights.

I am not too sure if I read your post correctly or not but handguns are legal in Canada (restricted) and we can still buy them, it is just that some have been designated as prohibited and you had to be grandfathered into that class of ownership. ie already one one of the prohibited class.

As to concealed carry there is a movement starting to get rolling for concealed carry (http://www.canadacarry.org/) But I am not sure that we will see anything until we get a majority Conservative party gov't. It is an uphill battle as we do not have the help of a bill of rights like the US to defend our ownership. Just a constitution that was draft by anti gun politicians 30 some odd years ago.

I'm under the impression that more handguns are being bought lately than long guns. Seems citizens want to protect themselves. I doubt there will ever be concealed carry or handgun hunting....pity.

Handgun ownership will never be as widespread in Canada as in the US, unfortunately, but I do see encouraging signs. It's anecdotal only, but there seems to be a thriving handgun community actively shooting today, where I don't recall the same level of handgun ownership 25 years ago. The best part of this is the average handgun shooter seems to be a young male, and he often brings his girlfriend/wife along. Once you have your restricted PAL, it doesn't seem too difficult to buy and handgun, and ATTs seem easy to get with a club membership.

On the downside, politicians in the large, eastern urban areas are fond of using guns and gunowners as scapegoats and diversions from our steadily deteriorating "civil society".

Who really knows what the future holds for gun owners in Canada, but handgun ownership is far from dead.

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and ATTs seem easy to get with a club membership.

Yes, and that really gets me agitated. I've gone through that crap in Europe, having to be a club member, go to the range a prescribed number of times a year, get sign off is in a little shooting passport.... All those memories has kept me from buying a nice 1911-type .45, though I got my restricted PAL four years ago.

I know it's not all that here in Canada, but the very thought of being forced into a membership that I don't want rubs me the wrong way.

Frans

Well, if some are legal (I was under the impression that most were not) what is the justification for not allowing them to be carried hunting?

This is a shame , there is so much HandGun hunting that I would like to do in Canada

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Well, if some are legal (I was under the impression that most were not) what is the justification for not allowing them to be carried hunting?

Ownership in itself is not illegal but tightly controlled with most handguns being legal with the required aquisition certificate, which is actually quite easy to get. There are some guns in the prohibited class largely determined by barrel length and caliber. Smaller handguns being banned except for those with a grandfather clause.

The carrying or transportation is very restricted namely to an approved range. This elliminates hunting and strickly speaking even casual plinking.

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The carrying or transportation is very restricted namely to an approved range. This elliminates hunting and strickly speaking even casual plinking.

Even on your own property?

There is a better chance of them being ban completely, which they have been trying to do since the last election.

There is column in the National Post this morning arguing that banning handguns is useless in reducing crime, but that it is a major liberal feel-good policy. It shows "activity instead of achievements", but that seems to be the major goal of governments anyway... at least something along those lines. I may not be paraphrasing it complete accurately.

Frans

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The carrying or transportation is very restricted namely to an approved range. This elliminates hunting and strickly speaking even casual plinking.

Even on your own property?

Technically,,,,,, YES.

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Originally posted by Gator1:

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The carrying or transportation is very restricted namely to an approved range. This elliminates hunting and strickly speaking even casual plinking.

Even on your own property?

Technically,,,,,, YES.

Technically...!

It has been known to happen, but don't quote me on that.


In 50 years of shooting and driving I have never had a search done on my vehicle and there are many places where shooting any handgun will not be heard by others so I suppose it may occur once in a while on someone elses place.

At a different time.

By different folks

But not you.

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But not you.

Dead gophers tell no tales.

sounds like a job for CSI iv'e never heard of such a thing all canadians always follow the laws right to the letter even criminial gang members register their guns

Don't forget the storage requirements for restricted class firearms and heaven forbid if you are a certified collector.

Basically the only place a restricted weapon may be discharged is a certified range, but allowances are made for those who live in remote area's, in that they can apply for a provisional permit, that allows them to shoot said weapon. There are also special permits issued in certain locals and for certain professions usually in remote locations (scientists, prospectors, geologists etc) to allow carry of a restricted weapon, in this case a handgun and usually in 357 magnum, 44 magnum and I have heard 45 magnum and 45/08.

Hunting or CC? I won't say never, stranger things have been known to happen, but I very much doubt it. The large population bases that tend to elect the party in power are based in Ontario and Quebec and like others have stated they are a Bastion of Liberal support and one of the main planks of that party is Anti-Gun.

So I am not holding my breath.

Ain't gonna happen.

Sometimes thats what it takes. One loud voice.

Handguns are legal in Canada.
We also have paved roads and don't live in igloos anymore!

I am a FIRM BELIEVER in POSATIVE thinking.

More opportunity to legally use handguns in Canada is an up hill battle but one worth fighting. When I see fellows like some on here saying "It will never happen" and "chances are better they will take them all away" it makes me realize we have less support within our own ranks than we should have.

If you are a non-gun owner and you hear a gun owner saying things like that what would you think?

And it is the "non-gun owners" who we have to influence. The anti gun people are a pretty well set in their ways but the non gun owners are in the majority and we can make an impression on them.

Robin in Rocky

www.NFA.ca has much legal info on gunlaws in Canada and they have told me that: It is legal to dischagre a pistol on your own land for plinking and shooting "vermin" gohfers/magpies/coyotes and such. As for transportaion to other private land most handguns need a transpertation permit. Antiques DO NOT. Antique hand guns must be stored "unloaded" transported "unloaded in a locked,hard to break into non see though container", no permit , license is needed to own an Antique or reload your own ammo or buy powder/primers/brass/ slugs. It has also been determined in a court of law that a loaded handgun in a quik openning lock box "is not unsafe storeage"
Now that doesn't mean that under any flimsy excuse they will invade your home, take your guns and make you fight in court, and your lawyer might destory your case by walking out half way though like in the recent supreme court case on guns.The court desided we don't have "the right" to own a gun becuase our bill of rights did not give us the right to property or firearms.
Failing to understand that Govermnents do not give us rights. We have them and they are given powers from the people.The Magna Charter , the bill of rights in 1689 and the BNA act all reconize our right to own property and own and bear firearms in self defence. Almost all gun control laws pretend the Crown never signed these treatys and law bills. This Crown govenment needs to read and follow the Treatys and laws it signed. and Jesus said in luke 22:36 "and he that has no sword, let him sell his cloake and buy one."

A day hardly goes by with out a bunch of us Canadians writting letters against the anti's to a point that even the Toronto Star which is Canada's largest and most anti-gun newspaper is posting pro-firearms letters and articles.

1 - 2 years ago this would never have happened the tide is turning and we now have a federal government that understands that it is the criminals that need to be locked up not firearms being banned.

I am so totally fed up with the defeatest attitude of many firearmms owners here they are just a bunch of pathetic sheep as far as I am concerned.