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Originally posted by Dewey:
In short, THEY need US more than we need them and, given the attitudes here, I am inclined to view Yankees as questionable friends, at best. Maybe we need to end any economic ties we have with them and concentrate on growing our trade and other ties elsewhere, as the "softwood" situation clearly demonstrated.

In any event, BC hunting/fishing will be closed to Americans within ten years, perhaps less and then, IMO, the ROC will follow. That will end the problem, for good.

You may want to look at the statistics...

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the United States of America is the largest consumer of Canadian products, buying over 80% of total exports shipped from Canada.

Conversely, Canada imports about 55% of its international merchandise from the U.S.

In 2007, Canada exported an estimated US$433 billion worth of manufactured goods and resource materials onto the international trade marketplace. Canadian imports totalled roughly $387 billion, resulting in Canada’s $46-billion overall trade surplus last year.

One should be careful what they wish for.

Your comments here would be far more valid, IF, they were broken down into WHAT products are sold-purchased by each nation. WE sell irreplaceable raw resources at firesale prices to YOU, while you sell finished products to us and THAT is part of the problem.

What I not only WISH FOR, but, am actively working for, is an expansion of Canadian trade and manufacturing into the global economy and NO more raw resource sales to anyone. This means an end to NAFTA, tariffs on US goods imported into Canada, a large increase in the cost of oil and gas sold to the USA and an end to exports of electrical power, raw logs, and ANY water.

It also includes an end to ANY American use of our wilderness, wildlife, fisheries and a much tighter border. I am not alone in this and this will become more obvious in the near future.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
Your comments here would be far more valid, IF, they were broken down into WHAT products are sold-purchased by each nation. WE sell irreplaceable raw resources at firesale prices to YOU, while you sell finished products to us and THAT is part of the problem.

What I not only WISH FOR, but, am actively working for, is an expansion of Canadian trade and manufacturing into the global economy and NO more raw resource sales to anyone. This means an end to NAFTA, tariffs on US goods imported into Canada, a large increase in the cost of oil and gas sold to the USA and an end to exports of electrical power, raw logs, and ANY water.

It also includes an end to ANY American use of our wilderness, wildlife, fisheries and a much tighter border. I am not alone in this and this will become more obvious in the near future.

Wow.

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It also includes an end to ANY American use of our wilderness, wildlife, fisheries and a much tighter border. I am not alone in this and this will become more obvious in the near future.

Correct, you all have a big meeting at the local phone booth.. Get there early, seats will be in short supply

Ok seriously. I do like the part about more manufacturing here in Canada. I would love to see us quit supplying raw oil to the states and see some refinment on this side of the border.

However your thoughts on Americans not being able to hunt here in Canada is just stupid.
Its a total renewable resource. I assume you are one of those long lost stone sheep hunters pissed at the lack of access. (Not that I blame you). But come on.. We shut our borders down and then they shut us out. AT least for me, my dreams go farther the usa/ Canada border.

Dont blame out of town hunters for your lack of success.. Get out there and go hunting.

If it wasent for the recrational fishermen Prince Rupert would have been a ghost town long before the new docks. In the words of our guide last year. "This place would have died a 1,000's deaths if not for the Americans and folks from Alberta"

You need to take a breather.

Calgary Guy

Your lack of education is only too evident in your inability to spell the most simple English words, just as your lack of knowledge of BC demographic-cultural changes and the resultant impact on hunting-fishing policy prevents you from making any comments here that are pertinent or valid.

I was just in Rupert this past April, we had trouble finding workers and my friend pays BIG wages. Of course a "guide"is going to make a comment like that, he wants MORE azzholes to come there to rape BC resources. Anyone who believes a "Guide-Outfitter" about ANYTHING to do with conservation, allocation or any other aspect of environmental management....well, there is this beachfront near Tuktoyaktuk......

Now, here is just ONE actual example of what IS happening RIGHT NOW in BC. A group of Yankees was fishing last year in northern BC and one had not obtained the correct licence. When a BC Conservation Officer checked and caught him, THE CO bluntly stated, "We Canadians are tired of you Americans coming up here and taking our resources".....this was a CO on duty and HE was willing to make a comment like that which should demonstrate exactly how strong the attitude concerning Yankee hunting-fishing is here.

As far as Stone's Sheep are concerned, the BC population has declined some 40% within the past few years and the HUGE slaughter by foreigners still goes on. As a retired former BC and Alberta resource agency employee with over 50 years very intense wilderness and conservation experience, I certainly DO support much tighter controls on hunting these and BC Bighorns, both Rocky and Cali. as well as our small population of Dall's Sheep.

As to the individuals with whom I have discussed this situation, they include former Directors of the BC-MOE, Chief Foresters of BC, BC Cabinet Ministers and many professional, working biolgists and interested conservationists. Our meetings actually usually number in the low hundreds, so, the phone booth might be a little small.

As to my getting out there, I do a LOT of this and spent most of my life doing it for my living. I have SEEN the destructive impact of Americans upon BC resources for over 40 years and this is what has motivated my activities.

As to what the Americans choose to do when American hunting is banned here in BC, as it WILL be, I really don't CARE, there is nothing down there that even remotely interests me. Their decisions are THEIRS, just as OURS are OURS, that is the entire point here, which seems to have escaped your notice....stupid, you say????? LOL.

So that’s what happens when you get beat in a discussion.. You bring up spelling???

Best of luck with that one.

I really think you are talking out of your ass most of the time. What can an American actually take home in fish?? ABSOLUTLY nothing compared to what a commercial fishing boat does.

You prattle on screaming the sky is falling... Me.. I just go fishing EVERY YEAR. And I am going to do my best to bring up some good ol American next year.. Would you like a picture?

So what’s next you ban those from outside BC.. Then you ban those that are not from the coast...

Perhaps you would be happier with the GREAT WALL OF BC.....

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

(And no, I am not laughing with you...)

Calgary guy

BTW.. Just for you I did a spell check this time.. Feel better pumpkin?

Despite the rantings of a protectionalist lunatic, I can assure all our American friends you are more than welcome to come on up and enjoy Canada. Come on up, catch some BC Salmon.. Shoot a couple of sheep.. I think some Grizz need thinning out. It’s a great time, and for the most part we keep folks like Dewey locked up and away from society in general.

If your ever heading up Calgary way, please feel free to drop a PM and I would love to help.

Calgary Guy

Do whatever, YOU will have NO impact on what happens here in BC and the ROC has always tended to follow BC in social trends and resultant policies.

I do not see where I have been ...beat..., especially by an illiterate little punk like you whom I doubt would know a Stone's Sheep from a Halibut, but, rock on, sonny, your kind exist in all societies and usually sell out to the biggest bidder.

BTW, I STILL do NOT think that you are a Canadian, but, some sort of foreigner living here, maybe a Yank who is involved in the "oil patch". Bring your Yankee up and, who knows, you might find that you're not as welcome as you seem to think you are, at least not here in BC.

Sorry Dewey...
Born and raised Calgary.
I just have a more open view on the world. And not Oil patch either, but I sure do benefit from it.

Enjoy your time in your little world... It’s getting smaller by the day.
Oh.. and 2-3 hundred people does take place in a phone both... What’s next... a Convention at a local bar?
Your blathering reminds me of a old saying

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.


BTW Aren’t you the fellow who goes by the name Kutenay on some other boards?

Calgary Guy

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It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt

As you have certainly demonstrated, eh?

Sorry Kut...

This one is all on you.

Calgary guy

Dewy- You ARE the quintessential angry white male. I'm sorry your live remains empty after a government career. Much like your brothers to the south in a like situation. Please, for the sake of civility on this forum, check on your meds.

Actually, I did not have a government career, but, that is not important.

Why is it that those who cannot even spell the most simple words or construct a sentence properly ALWAYS try to make comments upon the emotional health of others here as if they were well-educated medical professionals? Could it be that such individuals are both utterly ignorant of the current reality of the topic at hand and also simply desire attention, I think so.

Now, very simply, MANY and an increasing number of Canadians here in BC are totally opposed to Americans hunting here and, to a lesser but still substantial degree, fishing here. That is EASY to figure out, even for some of the intellectually "challenged" posters here, such as the last one.

...Angry white male..., what a meaningless term, I simply am a loyal and realistic Canadian who wants to protect his natural heritage from foreign exploitation...AND it IS working, as witness the recent cuts to Guide-Outfitter quotas, which are only the beginning.

Wow all this over some beer... I was reading the fish regs here in alaska and I see residents of the Yukon Territories can buy Alaska fishing license at residents cost... I thought that was pretty cool... I have some pretty cool pictures of some stone sheep we encoutered before Toad, BC..

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Originally posted by Dewey:
Actually, I did not have a government career, but, that is not important.

Why is it that those who cannot even spell the most simple words or construct a sentence properly ALWAYS try to make comments upon the emotional health of others here as if they were well-educated medical professionals? Could it be that such individuals are both utterly ignorant of the current reality of the topic at hand and also simply desire attention, I think so.

Now, very simply, MANY and an increasing number of Canadians here in BC are totally opposed to Americans hunting here and, to a lesser but still substantial degree, fishing here. That is EASY to figure out, even for some of the intellectually "challenged" posters here, such as the last one.

...Angry white male..., what a meaningless term, I simply am a loyal and realistic Canadian who wants to protect his natural heritage from foreign exploitation...AND it IS working, as witness the recent cuts to Guide-Outfitter quotas, which are only the beginning.

Ok.. I admit it.. I didn’t use the spell check...
I feel great shame.....
I did get 2 whole words wrong...
BTW Kut, you had a grammar mistake in the above rant. Just thought I would point it out to you.

As for my education, I can assure you it is well up to par.
You must have TONS of education though to get those high priced jobs planting trees all those years.
Rock on little man, ROCK ON!!

Yes angry white male does describe you to a “Tâ€
Seek help Kut before you go postal on someone. Is your anger something we should report to the firearm guys? Or can you actually be trusted...
Tough call actually.

Calgary Guy

When I traveled thru Canada mainly thru B.C Y.T I was amazed at all the wildlife we saw we even saw a wolf that was the highlight of our trip... We saw woodland Bison my family and I were awstruck to say the least... For the most part majority of Americans will never hunt in Canada for one the cost... The ones that do have saved money for yrs to book that once in a lifetime hunt... The sheep hunts I have recently seen on t.v have all taking place in the Y.T anyhow. Something some folks need to realize alot of americans put in for the coveted moose tags or sheep in the lower 48 for yrs and after yrs of not drawing that tag they look north ie Canada, hell a guided moose hunt in Alaska are goign $10,000 an dthat is a discounted hunt, I don't have that kind of money... You folks from Canada are blessed and will never have to look south ie lower 48 to hunt... I fell in love with Canada ( how does one move to Canada and get residency without giving up u.s citizenship??)... Dawson Creek, Ft St John wow what I would do to live in those areas sure the winter suck but that is the price one pays for such beautiful country!!!!!!!!

People with the attitude YOU display here are WELCOME in Canada and I have assisted many Americans of your respectful and courteous type with advice on hunting here in BC, within the past few years.

I would suggest that, as far as I know, if YOU obtain Canuck citizenship or any other foreign citzenship, you essentially lose your US citizenship? This is ONE aspect of Canadian citizenship that I consider superior as this is not the case here...BUT, we don't have the quality of Constitution, descended from "Magna Carta" and "The Protocols of Oxford", "Bill of Rights"and other great English contributions to human civilization, so.......

You CAN simply apply to come here as a "landed immigrant"and then NOT take out citizenship as many Yanks DO and the numbers are increasing. This is NOT easy as our immigration situation is a "dog's breakfast" and, IMO, DELIBERATELY biased toward certain ethnic groups that provide cheap labour...AND tend to be VERY anti-American, see my earlier comments rë: BC demographics, etc.

So, IF THAT does not work out and you cannot find a job here, the next move would be to buy a little lot here and this will make it fairly easy to retire here, vacation here and generally participate in various activities, including SHEEP hunting. Quite a few Yanks I am friendly with have done this and it seems the most practical way to go.

Now, if you or your wife is a DOCTOR or RN, especially a specialized type, the BC gov't. will almost certainly PAY for you to move here and you would never be required to gain Canadian citizenship. I have mixed feelings on the citizenship situation, in all honesty, but, I can see both sides of the dilemma. My mother and, I think, I would have qualified for both US and Canuck citizenship, but, ain't dealing with ONE set of politicians enough!

Again, it IS doable, not easy, but, retirement here in BC is fabulous and there is nowhere that a true outdoorsman can enjoy more kinds of wholesome fun, not even Alaska or Montana. THIS is WHY guys like me are SO hardcore and passionate about protecting it....

Well we just got back and we had a hell of a time. Caught a 44" pike and a ton of walleye, first time with this outfitter and they were really nice. Checked back on the forum to see if one buddy has had a stroke yet and it looks very close. Like usual everyone we met including the Ontario DNR and Border patrol was extremely nice and after they noticed the star in the back glass we exchanged casual jokes and handshakes. Another great year and many more too come hopefully. As I was reading through the last posts I believe I seen where BC may be closing its doors to it's hunting and fishing friends from the South??? Lets be realistic there would be alot more repercution than one thinks, It'll never happen for the same reason we will not do it, potlitical and economic detremation. By the way Dewey I will never tell about what happened with the beer crossing, loose lips sink ships. For those of you that have nice and friendly I will return the favor, If you ever came down to Southwest Ohio and want to do some huntin or fishing just let me know.

Judging by that post, I think that you certainly HAVE been into the beer in a big way.

BC hunting and fishing WILL be closed to Americans within ten years, or less; even the major Guide-Outfitters here are rapidly diversifying their operations into "eco-tourism", as they realize that the majority of BC citizens are totally opposed to American exploitation of our fish and wildlife.

Hope your hangover is not too severe, such indulgence can cause high blood pressure and lead to the stroke that you are so concerned about.......

Out of curiosity is that why I'm seeing more and more huntign shows taking place in the Y.T?? Just honest question don't, also why are they going to shut it down will that go for other Canadians from Alberta and the other territories??? Sure they don't really have a reason to trek to B.C to hunt but you never know hunters will travel anywhere to hunt.

I want to see an INCREASE in hunting opportunities in BC for my fellow Canadians and banning American hunting/fishing here is one way to bring that about.

My earlier posts contain the info. on causative factors of the coming changes and they ARE based on reality. Anyway, check into what BCers are saying about foreign trophy hunting in our mass media and you will see that my comments are accurate.

We need our fish, game, hydropower and petro-resources for ourselves and I am tired of reduced opportunities and bag limits just so that some fatazz loudmouth with a ...star... can hunt-fish here.

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Holy cow, Dewey. Forget your meds this morning?