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Thanks for the picture.

I wonder if they have been counted in the official number.
 
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One good hit with an adequate rifle is all it takes. They're not as big or tough as people seem to think. Especially baiting, the range is going to be short.


Tell that to someone who thinks he had made the one good hit to only have the bear run off.

Many strange things can happen once you pull the trigger.


A 30-30 with 170g CoreLokt's is plenty for black bear. I used to hunt them (successfully) with my 243 when I was a kid.


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One good hit with an adequate rifle is all it takes. They're not as big or tough as people seem to think. Especially baiting, the range is going to be short.


Tell that to someone who thinks he had made the one good hit to only have the bear run off.

Many strange things can happen once you pull the trigger.


A 30-30 with 170g CoreLokt's is plenty for black bear. I used to hunt them (successfully) with my 243 when I was a kid.


Many bears have been killed by many different calibers.

That does not prelude them from running off after one presumes a decent hit.

Thus shooting them again is a good idea if they are still moving.

Two or more bullet holes can make for a better trail then one.
 
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One good hit with an adequate rifle is all it takes. They're not as big or tough as people seem to think. Especially baiting, the range is going to be short.


Tell that to someone who thinks he had made the one good hit to only have the bear run off.

Many strange things can happen once you pull the trigger.


A 30-30 with 170g CoreLokt's is plenty for black bear. I used to hunt them (successfully) with my 243 when I was a kid.


All that fur tends to soak up blood and you're likely tracking in thick cover.

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A whole lot of information, thanks.I didn't think I was able to go but things have changed and I could be hunting bear on my own during the last week of the season.If so I will try to start baiting a week or two before.The rifle I will use will most likely be a 458 Lott with open sights-just a personal choice.I need to find a tent.I hope to do some fishing too.
 
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Many years ago I had the honor of hunting with one of the best bears guides around. Here are a few tips that he taught us.A bear knows someone is feeding him, only the person hunting him bait. 2 human scents and he is off to another bait. Don't feed him in the am, if you come back in the afternoon without bait, your screwed.scrape the area clean so you can see his front pads.Use farm molasses and corn in a corn bag and hang from a tree with the top part of the bag folded over to keep ravens out of the bait.Spread some molasses on the ground for the bears to make scent trails for other bears.Use a shooting stick because bear fever is no different than buck fever.If your bear keeps feeding at night,cut his food in half . The bear will get hungry and come in the following day earlier.Shoot for the shoulder, bears don't leave much of a blood trail because of the long hair, knock them down.Don't use poultry, it sours quickly and the bears will get sick and lay up for a couple of days. Good Luck! Watching bears is almost as fun as shooting them. Enjoy them, they are comical! Jeff


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We have simplified our baiting. Due to my trapline we can moniter what they hit throughout the season. For the beginning you absolutely can't beat beaver. As the season progresses they seem to lose their taste for it but with any luck at all you're long done by then. Something that has been very good from an efficiency point of view is 50 pound blocks of licorice. Bears may or may not love it, but they cant seem to leave it alone. The real plus is its difficult for them to clean the barrel right out. A block or two would likely last the season if you shot your bear and went home like a normal hunter would do. We've also used skittles, candy hearts and any number of things. We were forced to name the biggest bear taken "Skittles", though that does seem a stange name for an over 8 foot black. Oiled oats are also a standby, and a couple bucks a bushell makes it hard beat from a cost effectiveness point of view.

I think people make baiting harder than it has to be; mostly by running around burning fuel while begging for free garbage; but also by using baits that require constant replenishing. If your plan is to give them cheap sweet stuff; you might just find that the cheapest sweet stuff is 50 pound bags of sugar. That will bump up any crap a notch.

If at all possible keep your baits close to water.

Dogleg,where can I find blocks of liqorice?
 
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I am getting prepared.I bought 6,25kgs bags of molasses sweetened grain feed and a gallon of beaver gland concentrate.I went to a recycling yard and got two large plastic barrels with the tops on.
 
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Sounds like your getting all set.

I didn't go this year with my friend in Alberta and maybe that was a good thing. This would have been the week and he just to evacuate the area due to a wildfire. Hopefully everything turns out ok. A few years back we had a helicopter camp near us that kept having to move further away to keep from being burned out. They were fighting the Fort Mac fire. Scary stuff.

Good luck with your hunt.


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Thanks Cougarz.

I was thinking of building a ground blind with branches and logs.I wonder if that would work?
That is if I get them on bait.I have no experience with any kind of tree stand or sitting up in a tree.
 
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Thanks Cougarz.

I was thinking of building a ground blind with branches and logs.I wonder if that would work?
That is if I get them on bait.I have no experience with any kind of tree stand or sitting up in a tree.


By the time you get all this advice done, the season will be over. Big Grin

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Thanks Cougarz.

I was thinking of building a ground blind with branches and logs.I wonder if that would work?
That is if I get them on bait.I have no experience with any kind of tree stand or sitting up in a tree.


By the time you get all this advice done, the season will be over. Big Grin

Grizz


It was a late decision.I plan on driving up there for a single day to bait the week of the 8-15 and hunting from the 24-31 of June.I got some already asking for a steak.I hope I can deliver.
 
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Thanks Cougarz.

I was thinking of building a ground blind with branches and logs.I wonder if that would work?
That is if I get them on bait.I have no experience with any kind of tree stand or sitting up in a tree.


Yes ground blinds do work. You just need to be a little more careful of the wind.

Depending on how much pressure they get will determine on how careful you need to be. Often bears with little or no pressure often already know your there will come in anyway.

The only time I'm extra careful about wind is in my home state which is only spot & stalk but doesn't have a ton of pressure. But there are a lot of hikers in the mountains at the same time and that keeps them on guard.

No matter the setup up take your time before shooting. Let the bear start feeding, get settled down and in a good position before firing. Don't rush the shot. Most of all have fun learning the ropes!


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Thanks Cougarz.

I was thinking of building a ground blind with branches and logs.I wonder if that would work?
That is if I get them on bait.I have no experience with any kind of tree stand or sitting up in a tree.


By the time you get all this advice done, the season will be over. Big Grin

Grizz


It was a late decision.I plan on driving up there for a single day to bait the week of the 8-15 and hunting from the 24-31 of June.I got some already asking for a steak.I hope I can deliver.


Never tried it successfully, but under those circumstances, I'd be tempted to try a honey burn and see what happens. Baiting is not a very short term option, can take some time and is actually a lot of work before you can know if it's working.

Grizz


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I think I'll try a honey burn.Thanks for the tip.
 
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Should I fill the whole 45 gallon drum with feed? How much should I put in.
 
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If you can't bait every day or every other day.

I would fill it mostly full.
 
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If you can't bait every day or every other day.

I would fill it mostly full.


If the bears find the bait quickly, how long before they eat the whole thing? Does a drum full usually last a week?
 
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Depends a lot on the hole size in the barrel.

The type of bait how many bears using the site.

If they really have to work at it I would hope it keep the interested for a week.

We can't use barrels here so a hollow stump is use. the bears well clean up as much as you put out for them in that situation.

I use 5 gallons at a time every day 3 weeks before season.

Before that a couple gallons every other day.
 
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Depends a lot on the hole size in the barrel.

The type of bait how many bears using the site.

If they really have to work at it I would hope it keep the interested for a week.

We can't use barrels here so a hollow stump is use. the bears well clean up as much as you put out for them in that situation.

I use 5 gallons at a time every day 3 weeks before season.

Before that a couple gallons every other day.

I heard that the hole should be about 6X6 inch square or just large enough for them to get their paw in.
 
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Sounds about right
 
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It cost a fortune to fill two drums.
 
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It cost a fortune to fill two drums.


Bear baiting isn't cheap for sure.
 
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It cost a fortune to fill two drums.


Always used meat scraps and rejects from a super market, free for the taking. Confused It's the work involved to do it right that's the killer.
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It cost a fortune to fill two drums.


Always used meat scraps and rejects from a super market, free for the taking. Confused It's the work involved to do it right that's the killer.
Grizz


Since I plan on eating the bear meat I will only feed it what I would eat myself.As far as work goes I agree.
 
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It is a lot of work just cleaning the four drums and trying to get the petrol odor out.
 
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Interestingly if you leave a can of gas out in the bush the Bears will drink it. Big Grin


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Interestingly if you leave a can of gas out in the bush the Bears will drink it. Big Grin


Lots of barrels available that have other less nasty stuff in them, like vegetable oil. Bears seem to have a real hankering for ATV seats as many people have found. Had a Grizzly here gobble up a 5 gallon pail of white paint. Big Grin

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Yes I've seen a few ATV seats eaten too. They seem to like the taste of foam rubber. lol


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The area I am hunting is wild enough that bears eat their natural food.
 
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I am going to drive up there on Thursday to set up my baits.I will bring along my camera and take some pics.
 
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Bears like chewing on bungee straps.

I do not think you well find your barrels in a up right position when you get back.

Plus they are not strong enough.

Chain or cable is the only way to keep them attached.

Hopefully they haven't rolled them to far away.

Good luck on your baiting and hunting.
 
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As it turned out I used only one location right next to a lake.The road leading to the other site I planned to use was flooded. I did not have too much time as I had to be at work next morning.There is also a creek only about 5yds from the bait.
[URL= ]Entrance to zone[/URL]
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[URL= ]view from area around the blind [/URL]
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[URL= ]barrel covered with molasses[/URL]
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I got the truck stuck in a ditch.Cost a fortune for a truck to arrive with a digger.After walking a few miles,I was lucky to come across someone fishing along the road.


Sorry to have to say it, but you're in way over your head. Better go back to square one and find someone who has done this before to show you the ropes.

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Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man

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Photos deleted.I should have known better than to share my hunting pics here.
 
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Geez.........this whole thing ha been a train wreck waiting to happen, I have been guiding and outfitting for bear for over 40 years/ Watching this topic has been painful.


No worries Shootaway, just put in a bait hole and some donuts and heck, that is all there is to it.


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Why?

So things went a little haywire but so what. Everybody's got to start somewhere. Sure going with a guide first makes it easier but at least in my mind figuring it out, asking questions of others - and making mistakes are all part of the journey and the reward. Actually shooting something at the end is a bonus. As long as you had a good time and learned something it's all good.


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No worries Shootaway, just put in a bait hole and some donuts and heck, that is all there is to it.


That's how we do it in Wis. by regulation.

We kill over 5000 bears a year with that method.

Sometimes it is that simple. The biggest bear I shot over 500lbs was on a donut bait less then a week old.

Beside not securing his barrels with something better the bungees.

I don't see anything wrong.

Most likely had plans on two sites but due to access problems put them all at one.

As far as getting struck been there done that.

It happens.

Shootaway don't be put off by the nay Sayers.

Go back and you could shoot a nice one.
 
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I talked to the person at the front desk and was told they got 26 hunters so far and only 2 bear were taken.I asked her why so few and she said that is because most did not hunt. The ranger who suggested this bait site by the lake told me that my chances are excellent because I have the whole area to myself.I also did a drag with a towel drenched in beaver gland concentrate.That was the reason I got stuck.I went down a steep, rocky road leading to a boat launch.When I tried to go back up I moved to the side to avoid the big rocks in the middle and the road caved.
 
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No worries Shootaway, just put in a bait hole and some donuts and heck, that is all there is to it.


That's how we do it in Wis. by regulation.

We kill over 5000 bears a year with that method.

Sometimes it is that simple. The biggest bear I shot over 500lbs was on a donut bait less then a week old.

Beside not securing his barrels with something better the bungees.

I don't see anything wrong.

Most likely had plans on two sites but due to access problems put them all at one.

As far as getting struck been there done that.

It happens.

Shootaway don't be put off by the nay Sayers.

Go back and you could shoot a nice one.


I thought the same about the bungees until I tried them on a barrel on a hydro pole behind my place.I've seen them used on a couple of you tube videos.
 
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Thanks for putting the pictures back up.

Wearing good bug protection well allow you to spend more time on the bait.
 
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