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I'm really torn.

There's the liberals - they brought in C-68 the gun registry - a dumber piece of legislation can't be found. The Quebec sponsership scandal also infuriates me. I can't vote for them.

There's the NDP. Old time socialists who beleive government - with my tax dollars should solve everyone's problems. Too tied to big unions. I can't vote for them.

There's the new Conservatives.
They believe it's governments job to enforce morality on people. Tell women what they must do when pregnant - tell you who you can or can't marry. Too many of them believe man actually walked around with the dinosaurs - that's way to dumb for me to support. I can't vote for them either.

I guess - next time - I'll vote Green. Not a single part of their platform I can't live with.
 
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You don't like the liberals because they're immoral and you won't vote conservative because they are. Interesting.

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Posts: 2659 | Location: Southwestern Alberta | Registered: 08 March 2003Reply With Quote
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The Green Party here in B.C. strongly advocates the following policies.

The largescale transfer of public "Crown" lands to the sole ownership of Aboriginal bands; this without the extinguishment of the spurious "title" that is the racist justification for this appalling bit of social engineering.

They further support the legalization of illegal, destructive and highly dangerous drugs, notably Cannabis Sativa, or, Marijuana. This would increase the deadly use of these highly carcinogenic, psychotropic and debilitating substances; hardly a socially responsible policy, IMHO.

In this time, when Canadians are not reproducing themselves in sufficient numbers to maintain our current population levels; the Green Party demands the free availability of the hideous, murderous slaughter of abortion. They are also in favour of further immigration and the systematic destruction of traditional Canadian values by "human rights" and "multiculturalism"; two of the favourite tricks of commie, fag Trudeau, meant to enslave us all in a totalitarian nightmare.

The Green Party calls for an end to "fly-in hunting" in their "Green Book" and that will curtail ALL hunting, a small, but signifigant step toward banning hunting entirely. They DO NOT advocate eliminating C-68, in fact, I would expect them to support even more draconian gun controls.

I know a number of the leaders of the B.C. Green Party personally, quite well, and they are "hard left" to put it mildly. In fact, one of them, Andy Shadrach, an immigrant to Canada, is a hell of a nice guy, but a former avowed communist. These are NOT the people that any gun owner wants in power; they are the enemy, although cleverly clothed in the innocuous slogans and dogma of the do-gooder environmentalists.
 
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We have NO true option, but closest to my heart is Conservative one.

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Posts: 202 | Location: Bolton | Registered: 21 February 2004Reply With Quote
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Some Conservative MP's may be opposed to abortion, but they aren't going to touch it.

Harler himself said that abortion is not on thier list.


It would be political suicide for any party to restrict abortion.

As for same sex marriage, they are not opposed to smae sex 'unions" with all the same government consideratons for the union. The just don't want to call it marriage, and don't want to force churches to make same sex marriages.

Voting green is your perogative, but they are abotu as anti-hunting as any party could be.

PS, I don't care if they like pot. Pot is no big deal, I know ots of productive members of society that smoke pot, from the lowest blue collar to the highest white collar, and I'm not kidding.

DOn't smoke it myself, because I don't like it.


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Posts: 3082 | Location: Pemberton BC Canada | Registered: 08 March 2001Reply With Quote
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How can it hurt to give anybody right of center a kick at the cat for four years. It doesnt matter what theyve labelled themselves for 40 yrs,they've all been left of center. 40 years to destroy. What could 4 years possibly do??????
 
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I'll do more research Kutenay.

I knew about them being pro-choice. I knew about them viewing marajuana as less harmful than alcohol. That old "killer weed" rhetoric you're trying to revive just doesn't fly with the great majority of informed people.How dangerous would you think alcohol or tobacco is? Would you like "big-government" conservatisim to get involved in trying to stop people from doing those to, by making the use illegal?

Having said that, if they are against hunting - in any way, shape or form - it's would be a "deal breaker" for me. I'll do more research.

The Federal Greens are lead by a long time conservative - and most of their fiscal policies seemed fairly right-wing.I liked that, as I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially (can you guess) - liberal.

On Bill C-68, their stated position was to keep any info already gathered, but not spend another penny on it - AND - not allow anyone to be charged for non-compliance. i can live with that position.
 
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Brian, I suggest that you both do more research and also cite your sources when you refer to ...informed...opinions on a given issue. You seem to find it necessary to refer to my comments as a "rant" or "rhetoric", yet, you spew unfounded, by your own admission, "facts" about a number of issues. I find this behaviour, on the part of an "educator" to be somewhat odd, I would have thought that a person of your level of erudition would be more careful in his polemics...........

BTW, my comments concerning the dangerous drug, Marijuana, are drawn from my actual experiences working in three different major emergency and psychiatric wards in the Lower Mainland. I have discussed this issue with dozens of medical and educational professionals, including my wife and the consensus of opinion from these people is that this is an addictive and highly dangerous drug....but, you know better....

Your comments indicate to me that you are not particularly knowledgable or realistic with respect to the historical use of political power by elected Canadian officials; see "The War Measures Act" as one example that I actually lived through. You contradict yourself when, in one thread, you state that you will not comply with C-68 and then you state here that you can live with it.

This sort of sloppy thinking is, unfortunately, all too typical of many of today's Teachers and other bureaucrats, this is why our schools are so pathetic as the level of literacy among their graduates sadly demonstrates. The Green Party will NOT lessen restrictions on firearms, they are statist to the core.

Your comments concerning alcohol and tobacco are irrelevant to my initial point, however, these two substances have been and are regulated by all governments; in any event, two wrongs do not make a right. I see no social benefit in adding to the woes of chemically dependant persons, but, I would not be surprised if you, like famed "educators" such as Dr.T. Leary before you, did consider this a "learning experience" a pathetic throwback to the '60s.

The term, ...fiscally conservative, but, socially liberal... is an oxymoron; it describes the solipsistic attitudes of those who bloody-well demand an enormous array of government services, BUT, expect others to pay for them. This greedy, irresponsible attitude can be found among "social democrats" and "neo-conservatives" who are opposite sides of the same tired debate; it really is about a lack of interest in freedom, individual responsibility and genuine community interest.
 
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I find the Conservative economic policies induced by some drug much more potent then mere marijuanna.I am much too conservative for that nut case stuff.To have a free country you balance the budget.Trudeau didn't and look where we ended up,having the World bank tell us how to run our country.If the rich have to pay taxes like you and me ,so be it.


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Posts: 480 | Location: B.C.,Canada | Registered: 20 January 2002Reply With Quote
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What, specifically do you find unacceptable about the current economic policies of the Conservatives? Frankly, I do not find ANY major policy differences in terms of firearms freedoms and taxation-national debt among ANY of the parties. Remember that it was Harper's mentor, "Lyin' Brian", who grossly inflated the indebtedness of our country, after scumsucking Trudeau started our slide into insolvency.

I no longer have any faith in the present political system in Canada, it needs radical re-structuring, IMO.
 
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Everytime they say they are going to reduce taxes,one of Harper planks,they give us peanuts and the upper income the same percentage.What little we save on taxes we lose in fees,plus.We end up worse off.Damm it, my finger tips hurt from hammering these keys.


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Posts: 480 | Location: B.C.,Canada | Registered: 20 January 2002Reply With Quote
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I don't like any of the political parties we have. I hate the liberals, I hate the NDP more, The conservatives remind me of a bunch of old pillars of the Baptist church(i was raised baptist) I really have no use for any of them. I want Alberta, BC and the Yukon to separate and form our own little republic with the least amount of govt as possible.

I'm pro choice, If the mother dosen't want it, I sure as hell don't see why the taxpayer should look after it. It dosen't know it even exists, so get rid of it, they're better off, don't all little babes go to heaven where they are wanted? Preferably though I would rather see people be responsible and avoid this problem to begin with.

I would like to see teachers stick to teaching reading, writing, and arithmatics, teach facts not hearsay and opinion, kids need to be graded on personal performance and failed when they fail, the classes should not be dumbed down to the level of the stupidist so their self esteem isn't hurt..then when I go to the 7-11 I don't have to count out the change for last years graduate that works there and can't hold a job anywhere else but graduated with honors.

I smoked enough pot through high school(many times with my teachers, at school)(what was I sayin) in the 70's to know that for me at least, it made me into someone who cared about nothing more than smokin' another gagger, munch a big juicy sandwich and have a good nap, preferably during class. School was, well, like a Cheech and Chong show. My grades and attitude went for shit. Others did the same but somehow managed to get good grades and accomplish much in life and still are on the stuff today, functioning just fine with good stable families. For me I had to give it up. So, much like alcohol, it affects people differently, some can handle it some shouldn't handle it. I think alcohol causes more social problems cause of the violence, crime and accidents that tends to go along with it. It's just drugs in a bottle and the gov't is the biggest drug dealer of all. beer

I think there should be more drive by shootings, Its just societys parasites killing other parasites. Maybe we could make a law that they can't shoot innocent bystanders though homer


I want to see everyone treated equally, not given special rights because they are immigrants, or a different color than me, speak a different language, I think the government should go only by a persons social insurance number and not how they look or what minority multiculture they come from or what sex they are but rather their merits. Government hiring policy and admittance to social programs should not have questions about sex, race, age but rather concern themselves with the best person for the job and restrict social programs to Canadian citizens and only those citizens that meet the requirements.

Who will I vote for, I don't really want to vote for any of them but I would have to vote conservative again because they are the least offensive to my way of thinking as far as finance and gun rights are concerened at the present time.


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Posts: 372 | Location: Alberta | Registered: 13 December 2001Reply With Quote
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you have got to remember that our source of information on most of the political parties come from a very right wing media..both in the form of CBC and the printed stuff..I am fairly close to a couple of the local MPs in my area and the are very straight shooters and have no different views on things than I have.. I just don't have the same opinions of the PC party as some because I beleive the have the same concerns as I do and will try to repair what they can?


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Damn!..... Oscar, i read your post three times and can't disagree with a thing. All the fancy bullshit and words in the world used by social engineers can't change the truth!
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Posts: 203 | Location: Vancouver Island BC | Registered: 23 July 2004Reply With Quote
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I would not vote Liberal simply because I cannot see rewarding an individual or party for poor performance. The NDP and Bloc Quebcois don't begin to meet the nations needs. The Conservatives? I don't know, but I'd give them a crack at it. If they can't or won't do a better job then kick them out as well. If necessary, keep changing them up until we're satisfied with the performance. All the parties would get the idea pretty quickly. I watch the house on TV occasionally, and am honestly embarrassed by the nonsense that's spewed out. This tripe has to cease. They are simply not acting in our best interest. This nonsense about gays is a case in point. It affects a mere 2 o/o of the population. I couldn't care less about gay rights. What about the elderly and job retention? That concerns a majority. You do something major in those areas or I'm not even interested in you. Dwelling on minor issues is just a way to avoid the real problems in this country. Just one mans opinion. Best wishes.

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Posts: 1866 | Location: Montreal, Canada | Registered: 01 May 2003Reply With Quote
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My Pappy told if there is no candidate who you would like to vote for, vote change. Keep the revolving door moving and the lying bastards wont get to comfortable and they will actually maybe do something for the common guy.
 
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I cannot bring myself to waste my vote for the NDP or Liberals.

The Conservative's say that they will get rid of the gun registry as well as I agree with thier stand on same sex marriage.

Have your creepy, sick, unnatural homo union's but don't drag what my marriage stands for down it.

I can only vote for them.
 
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I guess - next time - I'll vote Green. Not a single part of their platform I can't live with.

That way a real party that actually has a chance of winning an election will lose another vote to a go nowhere party, and allow a dictater from the Lieberal party to run this country known as Kanada.


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