a 6,5mm perhaps, but I would prefer the 6,5x68 personally...

Rich
Bigger is better

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:
Good stuff guys.

I do think a 338/06, 350 Rem Mag (short action fan - 225 TSX/NP should do) or a 9.3x62 would be to my liking, probably the latter w/286s.

If I do get on a hunt, I will have a back up/guide so that's 'in the equation.

I do agree on using a rifle that is shootable, as I for one have fired a 416 RM once, and swore never to light one off again! A 375 would be a possiblity though in 338s I don't need the range past the '06 version. The 375 does offer a nice bit of mass and frontal area.

As to what the Europeans use, I say one cannot argue w/success, no matter where you hunt, what game you hunt, or choice of rifles. Success is success. Surely the Euro hunters would not continue using something that did not work, so whatever is common for their hunting needs surely has a track record else something would have replaced it. That's just my thinking.

No doubt, strong consensus against a small bore on big bear.

Thanks guys.

The strange thing about guys shooting bears with small guns, is the successful stories are told.
Never hear about a bad bear hunt with a smallbore.

I like to think it's because of the indigestion, the bear suffered.

Your 9.3x62, with 250 TSX's should do nicely, with oodles of practice.

Conversely you never here about things going bad when they use big calibers either -- guess no one wants to suffer the embarassment.....

IF you plan on Hunting Griz, you will have to hire a guide in Canada or Alaska. Might ask your guide about your 6.5 and his perspective on your choice.
A lot of folks are sticking them successfully with a arrow these days however there is someone right behind them with a big boomer; just in case???
BTW; I am heading north in 3 months and doing a bit of tuning on my 338 stainless Mod 70. Practice, Practice!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Conversely you never here about things going bad when they use big calibers either -- guess no one wants to suffer the embarassment.....

This reminds me of a guy who advised me he was worried he might have gotten his girlfriend in trouble, seems he wanted to use a 'raincoat' with a 'Magnum' headstamp, yet it did not properly fit and slipped off

Suffice to say, if one chooses a Magnum, they better be able to use it properly. LOL.

No doubt .366torque, a 9.3 offers more bullet than any 6.5.

Enjoyed the posts.

Yea those magnum raincoats are made for the Canucks not many others can properly fit them!!

cheers

Thanks for the chuckle! LOL.

I honestly laughed when this guy told me his story, as much as What he said, as THAT he told!

I think we should all give a resounding approval on using the mighty 6.5 for grizzly, maybe a few of them won't come back. Hosea Sarber used a .270 on grizzly for years until one killed him. They found his mauled body next to to his empty rifle and fired cartridges.

I know that I will catch some flak over this, but it's the absolute truth. An uncle of my now deceased first wife, Gus Landergen was a Government Hunter in Humboldt County, Northern Calif. He killed over 4,000 bears in his career, and this is on record. He hunted with hounds and his main bear killer (after the bear was bayed up or treed) was a Colt Woodsman .22 that he carried in a shouldr holster. If the bear was beligerant- Gus went back to the truck and got his Mod. 94 30-30. He was personal friends of Roy Rogers and took him hunting on several occasions. Humboldt County was infested with black bears in this time period and the population exploded when sheep were introduced. The black bear is still a problem today. Mori

Shooting a bayed black bear in the head from close range is not what this is about. The dogs will not quite harrasing the bear long enough for it to attack even if it wanted to. Big difference between a bayed black bear and a 1,000 pound grizzly in dense wooded country where it may be necessary to stop the bear from a distance measured in feet. Even a polar bear on the tundra or ice allows ample time for multiple shots by multiple hunters.

With all the different calibers and bullet choices there are out there. I really don't know why you would choose anything smaller than 30 cal for grizz hunting. Even then 30 cal wouldn't be my first choice. I would personaly be looking at 33 cal or larger. One probaly should not be talking longer than a 200yard shot on dangerous game anyway, there is just too much to stake if you injure it. Yor life, the guide, your partners... I am not saying to go buy a 460 WBY just a little common sense, and respect for yourself and the animal you are hunting.

A huntingfriend was hunting Kamtjatka brownbear he with his son.
The guides used 7,62*39.

They used 338wm and 3006.

Would I hunt Grizzly with a 6.5x55? Quite simply, I wouldn't do it intentionally. That is to say, I wouldn't make plans to go hunting grizzly bear and decide to try to take the critter with a 6.5 Swede. I have nothing against the cartridge; although I don't own a 6.5 Swede, I have lot of respect for it, and I also have the experience of taking a black bear that was around 3-4 years old with a 7mm08. And, if I was hunting deer, elk or moose with a 6.5 Swede or similar cartridge and came into a situation where I had to defend myself, I would do my absolute best with whatever I could; but for an animal that is as dangerous as grizzlies can be, a 6.5 Swede doesn't give me a large enough margin of error to be comfortable deliberately choosing it for a hunt.

I'm of the opinion that when hunting grizzly, you should shoot the biggest caliber rifle to which you have access and which you can shoot accurately. I particularly mention the accuracy because although bigger can be (and to my thinking it is, in this case) better, it will cause trouble if your rifle makes you flinch; this could easily cause a poor shot, resulting in an angry bear, and from there things would get ugly fast.

You might also contact Phil Shoemaker and see what he has to say about recommended cartridges for this sort of thing. 458Win is his handle here on AR.

Oh and just one other thing, if I couldn't get a head or spine shot, I would try to make my first shot break the bear's shoulders. Then, I'd reload as quick as I can and pump more lead into him.

Davis

the 06 is only adequet for brown bear when everything goes right . Same as the 6.5 .I would prefer the 6.5 to the 06 as I loathe the 06 . Oh and in a modern rifle the 8/57 is a better round than he 06 . But still not really a bear round .

No Replacement For Displacement.

I love my .264 but I would not hunt Grizz with it on a bet and it has lots more oooph than a x55. I guess the real question is "Why"

Dewey has no clue about what is shooting a grizzly bear as you stated under your other nickname before Kutenay. you never hunted one for yourself , Deweyv ???!!!

if i follow your life you may be have three in one ... selling camping gear/ planting trees and wildfire management all in the same time ...

you may be good for giving advices on what gear using for backpacking (still doubt with the pics i ve seen of you that you re able to even hike in Kootenays).

so some people used this caliber (swedish one) as others for the grizzly or european brown bear.
from where im coming the 7x64 is the minimum as a rule. most people were using the 8x57JS and even the 9,3x62. in Svalbard they re using mostly 30-06 and 6,5x55 and some that have used the swedish in 156 or 160 grains now why, the others cannot believe but dream about hunting grizzlys.

i live for real among them.

That must be some radical dope you are smoking to get hallucinations of ...living among... Grizzlies in Quebec City. Maybe, you should return to Draculaland, where a bohunk like you belongs.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
That must be some radical dope you are smoking to get hallucinations of ...living among... Grizzlies in Quebec City. Maybe, you should return to Draculaland, where a bohunk like you belongs.

sweetheart im no more in quebec city ...

your hate of foreigners is still hard ...
dont you know that before you, people where you re ???!!!

So, you have moved to the Yukon, so what, you are still a DP bohunk and do not belong in my Canada...as others told you on the Campfire.

I do not hate foreigners, I simply detest jerkoffs like you and along with most Canadians, I want to tighten our immigration and "refugee" regulations and the enforcement thereof to keep riffraff like you out of this country.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
So, you have moved to the Yukon, so what, you are still a DP bohunk and do not belong in my Canada...as others told you on the Campfire.

I do not hate foreigners, I simply detest jerkoffs like you and along with most Canadians, I want to tighten our immigration and "refugee" regulations and the enforcement thereof to keep riffraff like you out of this country.

your history on campfire is not the truth. i came in the lovely canada and im a canadian and sorry but no more you can tell go away im here to stay and making more from my new country that you ll never do and never did. i m giving time to my country and serving time that you never the guts to do ...

hate and racism is never the way to be but seems with age you re getting bitter and more alone than before and no one is never even following your diatribe about real canadian or not ... hopefully you didnt get kids and this is helping us ...

love.

but please Dewey told us about your real hunting experience on grizzly ... the ones you shot and killed ...

if not why are giving such good expert advice.

love.

You are NOT now and can never be a Canadian and as I have already told you, riffraff like you has no place in Canada. Quite a number of people also told you to STFU on 24Hr. and then you asked RickBin to remove you from the membership and were, thankfully, never heard from again on that forum.

Now, it would seem, you have come to AR to spew your pidgin English bullshit to those here, whom, I am sure, once they have read a few more of your posts, will have much the same feeling of distaste for you and disgust at your foreign antics as I have.

I have posted considerable detail about my field experience here and have no need to respond to some bohunk blowhard who presumes to question me in my own land....GFY and hit the road, you DP, we don't need you here on AR or in Canada.

I'm in Canada and I have shot grizzlies...

With the right bullet and shot placement almost any cartridge will do but to intentionally go out and hunt a grizzly with a smaller caliber is something I would not recommend to many things can go wrong and these animals deserve respect so use the right tool...

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Originally posted by Dewey:
You are NOT now and can never be a Canadian and as I have already told you, riffraff like you has no place in Canada. Quite a number of people also told you to STFU on 24Hr. and then you asked RickBin to remove you from the membership and were, thankfully, never heard from again on that forum.

Now, it would seem, you have come to AR to spew your pidgin English bullshit to those here, whom, I am sure, once they have read a few more of your posts, will have much the same feeling of distaste for you and disgust at your foreign antics as I have.

I have posted considerable detail about my field experience here and have no need to respond to some bohunk blowhard who presumes to question me in my own land....GFY and hit the road, you DP, we don't need you here on AR or in Canada.

so true sweetheart. about your story on campfire that is not here seems you ve been banned while i asked to be removed due one guy you the little fat nazi. and in the same two of your friends only support while in the same time i met some of the guys you dont even imagine who they re lol ....

now on other part the funny about that is in PMs you asked me to stop to be unfriendly with you because your wife suffered of your bad habits ...

now back on the canadian side im canadian and proud to be one of those serving my country and wearing the colors you ll never the guts to carry. happy or not this is a fact. you re telling everybody about how Canada is and bla bla but in the same time nothing to serve our country be a man once in your life and join the army then you can talk about your country that is mine too.

on the grizzly side could you stop to avoid to not answering and tell us exactly how many grizzlies you shot directly and how come without experiences you re giving expertises you dont have ???!!!! just because you read Herrero doesnt mean you re an expert nor because you sold tents and camping gears you re an hardcore backpacker ... maybe in the 70s but nowadays you re not even able to hike the little hills so please be honest and admit what you re no more ... and remains a keyboard backpacker and keyboard grizzly hunter.

love.

That's funny, I was communicating with Rick on the Campfire last month and he just e-mailed me and gave me his personal number and asked me to call him. This happened after he sent me a message via another BC boy, who has something to do with this very forum. Banned.....I kinda doubt it, but, I guess you read about as well as you write,eh?

I wore a Canadian uniform long before you were born and am just a little bit old now to join the army. Oddly, I was asked if I would be interested in serving as a militia officer here in Vancouver, with the former 72nd. Battalion, but, my out-of-town wilderness employment with the AFS made that impossible.

It is actually funny, for a DP like you to call me a ...nazi..., considering that five men in my immediate family volunteered in Canadian uniform in WWII to fight the Nazis. It seems to me that YOUR country actually supported Hitler and his gang and had a Nazi organization even more vicious than "Der Totenkopf Verbanden"....and YOU call ME a Nazi.....hilarious!

I certainly did not PM you in such terms, I merely sent you my contact info. as you asked me to when you threatened me on the Campfire and you never did come and do to me what you stated you would. That was a wise decision on your part, you would be "home" in Draculaland now if you had attempted to act out your threats.

I have read Herrero, knew him when he moved to my home region and anytime you want to learn to read English, my personal experience with Grizzlies and wilderness has, as I posted, been stated here in detail. Again, I think that you not only cannot write English, but, you cannot read and really should be deported to whatever Eastern European shithole scum like you comes from...capiche?

I am still at the same place here in Vancity and you can say these things to my face anytime you wish to. Now, do us all a favour and go play Dracula elsewhere.

Hey Dewey and Medved ,

Why don't you email each other so you can tell each other how much you hate each other rather than wasting forum space.

You may notice that I did not initiate this and have merely defended myself from his attacks upon me. That said, I will put him on ignore and not post further concerning his ludicrous posts as I also do not want to see this thread ruined by the bullshit spewed by two foreigners who simply seem to come here to post aggressive nonsense.

Welcome to AR, it is usually the best forum of it's kind on the 'net and one where most of us end up friends after the odd epistolary donnybrook....keeps my elderly brain functioning and guys like this make me laugh.

Bwhaaaa Haaa Haaaa foreigners spewing that is such good humour... me I was born here in Canada but due to so many calling themselves hyphinated Canadians now I decided to join in and I now call myself a NorEng Canadian or EngNor Canadian... If you can't figure it out my parents are from England and Norway...

now back to the thread...

I have never met anyone that has intentionally hunted grizzlies with small caliber rounds like the 6.5 anything myself I carry 30 cal mag and up and prefer .375 cal pick what cartridge you prefer me it was 375H&H now it is a 375RUM that new 375 Ruger round that some guy keeps braying is the new king wasn't any kind of a ballistic improvement over the H&H that I didn't even look at it.

Shot my last grizzly @ 230 to 250 yards with a 375RUM loaded with 300gr Partitions impact velocity was appr 2300fps traveled thru the lungs and off side shoulder and the 8' 9" interior grizzly still ran over 80 yards into the thickest bush I have ever had to track an animal in...

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Originally posted by moki:
Bwhaaaa Haaa Haaaa foreigners spewing that is such good humour... me I was born here in Canada but due to so many calling themselves hyphinated Canadians now I decided to join in and I now call myself a NorEng Canadian or EngNor Canadian... If you can't figure it out my parents are from England and Norway...

now back to the thread...

I have never met anyone that has intentionally hunted grizzlies with small caliber rounds like the 6.5 anything myself I carry 30 cal mag and up and prefer .375 cal pick what cartridge you prefer me it was 375H&H now it is a 375RUM that new 375 Ruger round that some guy keeps braying is the new king wasn't any kind of a ballistic improvement over the H&H that I didn't even look at it.

Shot my last grizzly @ 230 to 250 yards with a 375RUM loaded with 300gr Partitions impact velocity was appr 2300fps traveled thru the lungs and off side shoulder and the 8' 9" interior grizzly still ran over 80 yards into the thickest bush I have ever had to track an animal in...

back to the topic on grizzly hunting i used 375 ruger and worked great and this year ill try to use a swedish to prove the point and report it.

i have some stories about grizzly hunting and love to read too the ones from guys really hunting those animals not only trying to tell others how to do without knowledge on the subject ...

Of course your 375 Ruger worked great it worked exactly like a 375H&H and there is nothing wrong with that...

Sorry couldn't help myself...

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Originally posted by moki:
Bwhaaaa Haaa Haaaa foreigners spewing that is such good humour... me I was born here in Canada but due to so many calling themselves hyphinated Canadians now I decided to join in and I now call myself a NorEng Canadian or EngNor Canadian... If you can't figure it out my parents are from England and Norway...

now back to the thread...

Ah, a fellow Viking,eh? I am also of partial Norwegian and half-British ancestry and I find your humour refreshing after the foregoing drivel. Given your birth and the fact that Norwegian-Icelandic Vikings were the first and the English are the major founding national groups of Canada, I think it is a pretty safe bet to consider you a Canuck and not, thank gawd, another of these pita hyphenated-Canadians, for which we can thank Pierre, curse his commie memory!

I also agree concerning the .375 Ruger, hardly a new development and one which is more marketing than any real need for another medium magnum. It is a good design, but, I have and carry a .375H&H, have two actually and have packed this round on several remote fire lookouts with complete trust that it would do the job.

The last Grizzly I helped skin, of the roughly dozen I have been involved in hunting/killing and I have not shot one simply because I have never wanted to, was killed with a .300 Win. which is perfectly adequate and has killed the former BC record back some years ago.

That said, here is a true story, involving Norway, England and the Kootenays of BC, long, long ago. It took place about a century ago, in the rugged and remote Lardeau area north of Kootenay lake and my home town of Nelson, there.

William Clarke, was an adventurous young Englishman in the first years of the 20thC. and wanted to "go out to the colonies" and live a life of wilderness adventure. He ended up in a tiny cabin at Howser, BC, in the Lardeau and began trapping and prospecting there in 1907.

My family are among the first pioneers of the region and, of course, all the oldtimers knew each other through meetings in the small towns at Christmas and Dominion Day celebrations. I first met Billy Clarke, in Dec. 1964, when I was 18 and he was pushing 80; he recalled meeting my grandfather as young men well before the onset of "The Great War", helluva memory as so many oldtimers had due to no TV and no radio for decades,

One night in Howser, the day I shot my first deer near there, he told me and those I was with of the biggest Grizzly he had ever seen or shot. This bear measured 8'6" from nose to tail and that is a BIG bear, anywhere they exist from what I have seen in 50+ years of seeing them.

Billy, shot this bear with the only rifle he owned, a 6.5-54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer and killed it stonedead. It subsequently was displayed in a museum in Oslo, Norway and, for all I know, may still be there. Billy, told me himself and I can see him now, with his lingering trace of English accent and white hair and warm smile, that he got a larger rifle after that experience...I bought a Brno 22/H "rounbolt" from a older chap on Vancouver Island, who has Billy's last rifle, a.43 Mauser and he also knew of the "6.5 Grizzly".

As I posted here in December, I knew one of the Edwards-Turner clan when working in forestry on the mid-coast in '69-'70 and he told me of Jack's huge Grizzly killed in '65 with his Mod. 94 .30-.30...so, yeah, it CAN be done and some real bushmen have done it.

This is all easy to check as to my veracity by calling the Kaslo, BC Museum, which has lots of Billy's effects and can perhaps even tell one which museum in Oslo the bear is/was in. One can check to see about Jack Turner's Grizzly with any number of sources, the B&C book may be one.

The point here is really simple, it is the man first and then the gun; however, those of us who have lived alone extensively far from help in remote parts of western and northern Canada, are usually inclined to carry and use a BIG gun, why take chances that one does not have to?

Moki, where are you hunting Grizzly, I can give you some tips where there are very good chances for a major trophy and not far to drive from the LM. I just have no interest in killing bears, never have had and have killed only one that was wounded and that a Blackie.

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Billy, shot this bear with the only rifle he owned, a 6.5-54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer and killed it stonedead.

I belive Charles Sheldon carried a 6.5x54 mann when he spent 3 years exploring, The Wilderness of Denali was the book he wrote of that adventure in the early 1900's. He shot everything with the rifle, most likely chosen for it's light weight.

I shot this one north of Fort St James June 1 2008.

It's hanging on the wall at the Langley Wholesale Sports.

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Moki, where are you hunting Grizzly, I can give you some tips where there are very good chances for a major trophy and not far to drive from the LM. I just have no interest in killing bears, never have had and have killed only one that was wounded and that a Blackie.

I would most definitely like to hear where...