with pot being legal in canada - oh what a mess it will be crossing the border

The government had targeted July 1/18 as the date when it would be legal to buy and use recreational pot. This now will not happen until Oct. 17/18, based on news reports from the last few days out of Ottawa.

Rules are simple. You smoke pot, kiss crossing the US border good bye. Guess we're the second country after Uruguay to legalize pot, can anyone even find that on the map ?

Grizz

there is a PEE test at the border?

Not sure what difference it would make. Several states have legal pot right now including Washington. No issues going either way across the border. Besides it would be like being drunk and I don't see anyone asking for a breathalyzer test before crossing. Seems to be much ado about nothing.

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Originally posted by Lamar:
there is a PEE test at the border?

More than likely a swab test on clothes and vehicle surfaces. I bet that it’s going to be done on nearly every vehicle now.

On a side note, I wonder how looonnngggg commutes are going to get with stoned drivers doing ssllooowww time warped speed!

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Originally posted by Canuck32:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
there is a PEE test at the border?

More than likely a swab test on clothes and vehicle surfaces. I bet that it’s going to be done on nearly every vehicle now.

On a side note, I wonder how looonnngggg commutes are going to get with stoned drivers doing ssllooowww time warped speed!

Last time I looked pot buzzed the same in the U.S. as in Canada, why not stay home and burn one.

US borders are Federal....not state...cross the border into US with pot and you'll be charged...period. Coming into Canada may have different rules...not sure how that will work yet but you still are subject to search before leaving US so not advisable.

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Not sure what difference it would make. Several states have legal pot right now including Washington. No issues going either way across the border. Besides it would be like being drunk and I don't see anyone asking for a breathalyzer test before crossing. Seems to be much ado about nothing.

Show up at a border drunk driving and you will most definitely find yourself in a cell! Same with driving stoned. As for being high crossing the border if you aren't driving, no law has been broken as long as you aren't carrying any but as a non-citizen you could be denied entry....same as if you were drunk.

The amount of stupid out there is really astounding.

The US has rules and Canada has rules. As long as the US has the
ZERO tolerance rules for marijuana or anything else, crossing the border FROM ANYWHERE into the US will result in shit you do not want to deal with.

This is not ROCKET SCIENCE. I am sorry but at times it dazzles me at how dim witted people are about shit. Remember, and I have to remind people about this every year, Canada is NOT a state of the US. We are a DIFFERENT country. Not everything bad happening is as a result of laws in OTHER countries, including Canada, in fact most of the time these days the big problems for US hunters is your OWN GOVERNMENT.

Quit policing the rest of the world for everything and you folks will find things get better. Cause guess what? The rest of us have game departments and police forces and such that probably take care of things better than you guys are currently doing.

Your global policing of fish and game issues causes more problems than it fixes.......by a long shot. Your government does not always know best, nor does everyone else want to be governed by the beliefs of your government agencies.

I know I will get a bunch of shit over this but I do not care. It is what it is.

As for POT....who cares. It is not addictive, and yes I have this from a an MD. It is not a drug that causes you to try other more powerful drugs.......also from an MD. It has been around for thousands of years and all our laws against it in the US and Canada have not changed a thing.

People of all walks of society in the US and Canada and the rest of the world have used POT for hundreds of years...maybe I should say thousands. I personally have never used it, never smoked tobacco either and I guess that has a lot to do with it as I could have used it easily as a young person.

I certainly grew up with people who used "grass" and for the most part saw no problems other than some being rather "stoned" that used it a lot. But surprisingly, I can honestly say I never saw one of them beating people up and acting like assholes as I have seen for decades on a regular basis with people who were using alcohol.

I was a police officer for a couple of decades and saw lots of problems with the hard drugs and on a daily basis with booze. But marijuana was not part of the problem other than being "against the law".

The US zero tolerance issue has been and continues to be a joke when it comes to cannabis. Hard drugs....fine carry on....although history has also shown that the current program is questionable. Especially when your own military and government have been involved in it when it suited their interests at any given point in time.

Jesus people....wake up and open your eyes.

Good for Canada. It's too easy for the USA to understand.

We are so focused on "winning" that we have to make sure others lose.

The loudest "nanny state" complainer is the the same one who can't help but make the strictest most punitive laws when they are the "nanny."

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Originally posted by Skyline:
As for POT....who cares. It is not addictive, and yes I have this from a an MD. It is not a drug that causes you to try other more powerful drugs.......also from an MD. It has been around for thousands of years and all our laws against it in the US and Canada have not changed a thing.

People of all walks of society in the US and Canada and the rest of the world have used POT for hundreds of years...maybe I should say thousands. I personally have never used it, never smoked tobacco either and I guess that has a lot to do with it as I could have used it easily as a young person.

I certainly grew up with people who used "grass" and for the most part saw no problems other than some being rather "stoned" that used it a lot. But surprisingly, I can honestly say I never saw one of them beating people up and acting like assholes as I have seen for decades on a regular basis with people who were using alcohol.

I was a police officer for a couple of decades and saw lots of problems with the hard drugs and on a daily basis with booze. But marijuana was not part of the problem other than being "against the law".

The US zero tolerance issue has been and continues to be a joke when it comes to cannabis. Hard drugs....fine carry on....although history has also shown that the current program is questionable. Especially when your own military and government have been involved in it when it suited their interests at any given point in time.

Jesus people....wake up and open your eyes.

I would like to meet your MD information source. Way , way back in his pre med days he was taught that anything may become addictive be it soda pop,sugar, etc. and yes pot too. Any time something becomes a habit...like your morning cup of coffee, you are getting "hooked".

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Not sure what difference it would make. Several states have legal pot right now including Washington. No issues going either way across the border. Besides it would be like being drunk and I don't see anyone asking for a breathalyzer test before crossing. Seems to be much ado about nothing.

Show up at a border drunk driving and you will most definitely find yourself in a cell! Same with driving stoned. As for being high crossing the border if you aren't driving, no law has been broken as long as you aren't carrying any but as a non-citizen you could be denied entry....same as if you were drunk.

The assumption was that pot use in Canada would somehow trigger addional scrutiny at the border without any further reason isn't likely. There already are several states including Washington, a border state, that has legalized pot even though it's techinically still a federal crime. I just don't think the legalization of pot in Canada is going to mean much at the border.

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Not everything bad happening is as a result of laws in OTHER countries, including Canada, in fact most of the time these days the big problems for US hunters is your OWN GOVERNMENT.

Very true. It amazes me how much harder it is nowadays to get back into the US than it was going into Canada.

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Originally posted by Skyline:
As for POT....who cares. It is not addictive, and yes I have this from a an MD. It is not a drug that causes you to try other more powerful drugs.......also from an MD. It has been around for thousands of years and all our laws against it in the US and Canada have not changed a thing.

People of all walks of society in the US and Canada and the rest of the world have used POT for hundreds of years...maybe I should say thousands. I personally have never used it, never smoked tobacco either and I guess that has a lot to do with it as I could have used it easily as a young person.

I certainly grew up with people who used "grass" and for the most part saw no problems other than some being rather "stoned" that used it a lot. But surprisingly, I can honestly say I never saw one of them beating people up and acting like assholes as I have seen for decades on a regular basis with people who were using alcohol.

I was a police officer for a couple of decades and saw lots of problems with the hard drugs and on a daily basis with booze. But marijuana was not part of the problem other than being "against the law".

The US zero tolerance issue has been and continues to be a joke when it comes to cannabis. Hard drugs....fine carry on....although history has also shown that the current program is questionable. Especially when your own military and government have been involved in it when it suited their interests at any given point in time.

Jesus people....wake up and open your eyes.

The MD you got it from is an idiot.

Skyline I could not give a rats ass about all that rant I simply and correctly called BULLSHIT on your comment heard second hand from an MD. Medicine is medicine on either side of the border and to state that this or that is not addictive is wrong....either that or the million or so I have spent on school is wrong

The so called war on drugs has accomplished nothing.

Expect make millions of criminals.
make people who are willing to break the law rich.

Developed a whole world of narcotic traffics just like outlawing alcohol did.

Cause a whole lot of really bad drugs to come on the market,

Is a mayor cause for are declining civil rights.

As far as I can tell nothing good has come from the so call war on drugs.

As a doc, I have no positive experiences with Marijuana.

Some folks claim a lot by it, but really there is no good clinical evidence that it is helpful, just some anecdotal reports, some case reports and alternative medicine literature that hasn’t been reproduced.

It is associated with an increase in psychosis and mental illness.

While I personally have no issues with folks who are incurable trying it, I don’t think we want that Pandora’s box opened regarding widespread use. We know that use in juveniles causes brain development issues, and that legal availability increases underage use.

I would also point out that while docs are scientifically trained, many are not particularly scientific in their outlook or practice. There are as many crackpot docs as in any other profession.

regardless of persona feelings it is going to make crossing the border into the us a more lengthy process and create headaches for border personnel plus give cartels a new place to operate from

Doubtful. Even the US is slowly decriminalizing pot, one state at a time. The so called zero tolerance drug policy? Never heard of it. If it was true rather than one of trumps rants that change day to day, then why aren't there fed's stopping the increasing numbers of states making it legal?

Like I said in the beginning, much ado about nothing.

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regardless of persona feelings it is going to make crossing the border into the us a more lengthy process and create headaches for border personnel plus give cartels a new place to operate from

As you should know Mn as medical marijuana The feds don't recognize as legal.

I haven't seen any increase in searches when crossing at I falls.

I don't think so I cross the border a couple times a year. Then I go thru a border patrol check point in AZ lots of time in winter when I am down their.

Even their is not suppose to be profiling it happens all the time.

They really don't have the man power and the time to do foolish searches.

I think that the "health" aspect of the marijuana is a huge red herring. I certainly do not claim pot to be loaded with vitamins and minerals, but there are many popular legal products that many are currently allowed to consume if they so choose which also happen to be unhealthy. I imagine many citizens would really squeal if everything that is deemed "bad for you" were suddenly considered illegal. The reason marijuana is illegal is so it can be used by the gov to fuck people over in the USA.

Let people live their lives.

Again, good for you Canada.

As far as crossing the border, as in any international border crossing have your documents ready. If that is hard for someone then they should probably not attempt this.

As stated earlier by Cougarz, "...much ado about nothing."

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
The so called war on drugs has accomplished nothing.

Expect make millions of criminals.
make people who are willing to break the law rich.

Developed a whole world of narcotic traffics just like outlawing alcohol did.

Cause a whole lot of really bad drugs to come on the market,

Is a mayor cause for are declining civil rights.

As far as I can tell nothing good has come from the so call war on drugs.

That's cause it's not a war on drugs,just a police action. Now, Duerte, that's a war on drugs. We spend our time and effort coddling those who are victims of their own stupidity.

Grizz

ONe thing to consider is how the POT was processed and who did the processing..Ive witnessed in Mexico, Mexican pissing on it and shitting on it while laughing and saying give it to the gringos!! Help yourself....

Medical marihuana is a whole nuther story, it does have some benefits and its controlled...The street stuff and the pot houses in Colorado for instance are not controlled, and it has brought crime and filth to Colorado from people who moved there to grow 8 lbs. of weed legally for each member of the family including the babies, duh!!..I can name several cities in Colorado who at one time were really nice towns such as Walsenburg that is now a dump, all but two dumpy cafes exist, the movie house is shut down, and three pot houses exist, and street sales are abundant...There is more to the pot issue than just is it legality, It is it harmful and all that BS being discussed is the lesser problem. Perhaps Im prejudice as I was a DEA Agent in Texas, Mexico and Oklahoma and finished my last 6 years assigned to the USFS. marihuana eradication, in National Forest with shotgun traps, poisoned animals, poaching, and the bad stuff that goes with most illegal activity, much of which is supported by the Sinaloa and Juarez cartels..There more to the subject than what Mr. Canada has to say about it, Ive seen the seedy side, he apparently has not...Bottom line is its more about big money and greedy politicians that should be tarred and feathered some for bribes and others for votes, its all the same.

Do I have a cure, not at all and it just got worse throughout my career with the Govt. Mostly I blame the liberal media that made it what it is today..

Just the rest of the story, its as old as the world itself...

I am confused as hell. I’ve traveled back and forth from Vancouver to Seattle a bunch, never any problems.

I’d much prefer to be around a bunch of people that are stoned than a bunch of people that are drunk, and I have been bartending for 17 years. Nobody gets stoned and beats the shot out of their kids or spouse on marijuana, unlike alcohol. Or meth.

I would concern yourself with a whole host of social and moral problems.

who give a f. ,we will all be high and gunless in october ....

sorry i had to make it ... and i do nor smoke nor drink ....

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Originally posted by Skyline:
As for POT....who cares. It is not addictive, and yes I have this from a an MD. It is not a drug that causes you to try other more powerful drugs.......also from an MD. It has been around for thousands of years and all our laws against it in the US and Canada have not changed a thing.

People of all walks of society in the US and Canada and the rest of the world have used POT for hundreds of years...maybe I should say thousands. I personally have never used it, never smoked tobacco either and I guess that has a lot to do with it as I could have used it easily as a young person.

I certainly grew up with people who used "grass" and for the most part saw no problems other than some being rather "stoned" that used it a lot. But surprisingly, I can honestly say I never saw one of them beating people up and acting like assholes as I have seen for decades on a regular basis with people who were using alcohol.

I was a police officer for a couple of decades and saw lots of problems with the hard drugs and on a daily basis with booze. But marijuana was not part of the problem other than being "against the law".

The US zero tolerance issue has been and continues to be a joke when it comes to cannabis. Hard drugs....fine carry on....although history has also shown that the current program is questionable. Especially when your own military and government have been involved in it when it suited their interests at any given point in time.

Jesus people....wake up and open your eyes.

JMHO

When professional athletes will throw away their careers so that they can smoke pot, I have to doubt your statement that it's not addictive. It may not be physically addictive but it sure is psychologically addictive. When you can't stop smoking it even when you know it will cost you millions of dollars, that's addiction.


Honestly, I don't care if anyone smokes pot and whether the government legalizes it or not.

Just flew back home (within Canada) from Victoria BC.

While its climate, scenery and laid back attitude are a huge attraction, legal pot has brought a lot of problems to the cities in BC.

“Tent” cities pop up in various cities, with the inhabitants simply lazy pot (and other drug) users who will not work and want to sit around getting stoned all day.

They demand gov’t services, leave trash and needles everywhere and consume significant police resources due to the problems and tensions that happen when you jam too many animals too close together in any environment.

Thankfully, aside from the burglary and other petty crime the garbage seems to keep to itself. But it is a blight on an otherwise beautiful city. A flamethrower would be a very useful addition to the local police inventory.

I don’t see similar problems spreading across Canada because it’s the climate that encourages it in BC. But you can expect tent cities in at least the major cities, because the useless garbage will gravitate there to demand more “free” shit from the gov’t. And they’ll get it because local gov’ts are notoriously liberal.

Let’s take Prohibition as finest example of “ Save you from yourself “ Law
Politicians are what’s should be banned
I always thought our border with Canada is just stupid
Why do we have it?

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Originally posted by WannabeBwana:
Just flew back home (within Canada) from Victoria BC.

While its climate, scenery and laid back attitude are a huge attraction, legal pot has brought a lot of problems to the cities in BC.

“Tent” cities pop up in various cities, with the inhabitants simply lazy pot (and other drug) users who will not work and want to sit around getting stoned all day.

They demand gov’t services, leave trash and needles everywhere and consume significant police resources due to the problems and tensions that happen when you jam too many animals too close together in any environment.

Thankfully, aside from the burglary and other petty crime the garbage seems to keep to itself. But it is a blight on an otherwise beautiful city. A flamethrower would be a very useful addition to the local police inventory.

I don’t see similar problems spreading across Canada because it’s the climate that encourages it in BC. But you can expect tent cities in at least the major cities, because the useless garbage will gravitate there to demand more “free” shit from the gov’t. And they’ll get it because local gov’ts are notoriously liberal.

last time they tried a tent city in whitehorse it was during summer and it didnt last the first snow drop ...

Possession & conditions allowing possession is whats legalised.
driving under the influence has not changed & is not excused.
Alcohol typically clears a sobriety test 12-24 hrs or so after a bender............pot not for 4-5 days.

Users meet the profile for importation as well as couriers.............profiling does occur......
The secondary offences for non-possession, but using are not insignificant.

Beware
FWIW

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Let’s take Prohibition as finest example of “ Save you from yourself “ Law
Politicians are what’s should be banned.

Prohibition was stupid, but then you asked:

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I always thought our border with Canada is just stupid. Why do we have it?

Well quite obviously, to keep all those slacker Hosers up there and not down here - eh?

Dude, focus: If we'd been able to make Canada the "14th Colony" during the time of the Revolution, there'd be no 'border' today ... Just wide open spaces of 'Merican-owned Great White North in which to go hunting & fishing, ... similar to Alaska or maybe Michigan's UP.

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:
Dude, focus: If we'd been able to make Canada the "14th Colony" during the time of the Revolution, there'd be no 'border' today ... Just wide open spaces of 'Merican-owned Great White North in which to go hunting & fishing, ... similar to Alaska or maybe Michigan's UP.

Wasn't there a Ass. Jam. Hydell run off a drill rig in Kenai, AK during a Meth Bust a few years back?
That would sure explain a lot

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Let’s take Prohibition as finest example of “ Save you from yourself “ Law
Politicians are what’s should be banned.

Prohibition was stupid, but then you asked:

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I always thought our border with Canada is just stupid. Why do we have it?

Well quite obviously, to keep all those slacker Hosers up there and not down here - eh?

Dude, focus: If we'd been able to make Canada the "14th Colony" during the time of the Revolution, there'd be no 'border' today ... Just wide open spaces of 'Merican-owned Great White North in which to go hunting & fishing, ... similar to Alaska or maybe Michigan's UP.

Well, maybe someone can talk Trump into invading us. On second thought, Nah.

Grizz

Pot is the answer or cure for anything and everything that ails you according to the uninformed and those with an agenda. Every time I hear some idiot on tv say “but, but I need my medicine” I just shake my head. What a load of horseshit. You wanna smoke weed have at it but don’t claim it’s anything more than a feel good substance. As for you Canadians you’ll all be so stoned soon enough you won’t be able to find your way to the constable or whatever to borrow your own gun for the privilege of hunting. Liberalism is a disease and it’s near epidemic in your country (which I happen to love).

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Originally posted by Norton:
Pot is the answer or cure for anything and everything that ails you according to the uninformed and those with an agenda. Every time I hear some idiot on tv say “but, but I need my medicine” I just shake my head. What a load of horseshit. You wanna smoke weed have at it but don’t claim it’s anything more than a feel good substance. As for you Canadians you’ll all be so stoned soon enough you won’t be able to find your way to the constable or whatever to borrow your own gun for the privilege of hunting. Liberalism is a disease and it’s near epidemic in your country (which I happen to love).

Totally agree, Norton. Well said.

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Originally posted by Norton:
Pot is the answer or cure for anything and everything that ails you according to the uninformed and those with an agenda.

Funny but I was going to say pot is the boogey man that leads to everything illegal and a life of debauchery according to the uninformed and those with an agenda!


I'm a very conservative type of individual. Anyone who knows me would be hard pressed to say I have a single liberal bone in my body. But to me, conservatism largely means originalist interpretation of the Constitution and I don't see where the federal government has the right to restrict the use of a naturally occurring plant that has existed on the planet for millennia. At best, it should be a States issue per the 10th Amendment.

That said, a little research into why it's illegal is pretty enlightening for those who have swallowed the boogey man bait fed them over the years by the government ... hook, line, and sinker.

Personally, I think the government should get the hell out of our lives to the max extent possible. If I want to smoke pot, the government shouldn't have a say anymore than they should have a say if I want to collect rain water off the roof of my house, or tell me how much I have to pay someone who works for my company that I started with my own capital, or any number of other things.

This ain’t the days of cowboys and injuns Todd Williams.....330 million heading toward 500 million people and lots of them wanting what you have or at least a piece of it. I’m all for limiting government as well but have you looked at the kind of people that are on the news every night? From CEOs to ghetto scumbags running wild and you want less regulation?

Read closer.....I couldn’t give 2 shits if you wanna smoke weed til you fall over, just don’t call it medicine. Did I say it’s a gateway to anything but idiocy? I personally don’t want to have pilots, bus drivers, surgeons or anyone else in a position of responsibility stoned as fuck all day. No idea who listens to whatever boogeyman you’re babbling about.

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Originally posted by Norton:
This ain’t the days of cowboys and injuns Todd Williams.....330 million heading toward 500 million people and lots of them wanting what you have or at least a piece of it. I’m all for limiting government as well but have you looked at the kind of people that are on the news every night? From CEOs to ghetto scumbags running wild and you want less regulation?

Read closer.....I couldn’t give 2 shits if you wanna smoke weed til you fall over, just don’t call it medicine. Did I say it’s a gateway to anything but idiocy? I personally don’t want to have pilots, bus drivers, surgeons or anyone else in a position of responsibility stoned as fuck all day. No idea who listens to whatever boogeyman you’re babbling about.

Very good demonstration of my first statement in the previous post.

Brilliant response.