went looking at pistols yesterday, I was wondering which are typically more accurate and reliable, also how would you rank in quaility of manufacture.

here is what I found: glock didn't really like the grip angle, the XD felt a little better but I don't know anyone that has one, also the CZ felt great in the PO1 and in the CZ 75 compact models, I have a soft spot for CZ's and their traditional look. I don't know which one I want

I have to agree with you on glocks grip angle, besides I just can't find a soft spot in my heart for them. The real shocker came when I tried the XD. I figured it was just another damn plastic gun, but whoa, these things fit me, shot well, didn't malfunction and actually had a decent trigger. Only problem is loading the last couple of rounds in the mag. Man do they have a spring in them. Needed a loading tool for the last round.

I own an XD 40 and it's a great pistol.
Accurate and reliable. It's my IDPA gun.

XD over Glock, but for me, for accuracy and fit in my hand it would be CZ!

I've owned both a cz-75 and two XD's--still have the XD's, if that says anything. In its defense, my cz-75 was the second most accurate 9mm I have fired, and was utterly reliable--never had a malfunction with it. But somehow I just never really warmed up to it. Ended up trading it in towards another 1911. My XD service is, surprisingly to some I am sure, the most accurate 9mm I have fired/owned, and that includes Hi Powers, the cz-75, sigs, walthers, etc. They just work--never a malfunction--and something about it makes it easy to shoot fast and well with ease.

I have a Glock in the 40 cal and a Sig 226 in the 40 cal and have shot the XD in 40 ( my son's). I think that the XD is a great value although if you handload, my son's XD had a hard time with some of the handloads that my Sig breezed through. That could be that particular XD with a tight chamber, I don't know! Another option would be to look at some of the preowned Sigs that the Sig factory sells. They should be avaiable in the $425-$475 range and I've seen about 5 of them and those looked very clean and not used a great deal. The Sig factory has a grading scale that they put on the preowns and if there was a way for you to find out how a particular gun graded out before you buy it, it would be informative.

Not a Glock fan. Never have been. Have 9mms from Smith, SIG, and SA. Very much like the SIGs and the CZs.

Bought a couple of 40 S&W CZ clones when Tanfolio stopped importing them and that was picked up by EAA. Gott'm cheap. Added Springfield Armory 9mm top ends when they got cheap. Later bought a P9 in 9x19 and 9x21. Bought my wife a P9 based race gun for IPSC.

Have run lots and lots of rounds through the CZ based guns. Only problem we ever had was a broken firing pin and a broken ambi safety.

They feel good, shoot well, and last a long time. Can't ask for more than that.

Have a XD in 9MM. These things are a work of art. They shoot and shoot. Had mine for about three + years now and they just don't jam. They will feed anything. The only thing I don't like is the 10 round clip. My buddy has the 40 Tactical same story.

If size is not a question, then I prefer the CZ 75. I am not familiar with the others discussed except for the Glock, and although I have one, I
like the "feel" of the CZ better. I have been using mine in some IPSC shoots of late and am really enjoying it. Functions well, recoil is light, accuracy is excellent. I returned mine to CZ for installation of fiber optic front and rear sights and what a fine difference it made for me.

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Originally posted by Jay Johnson:
Have a XD in 9MM. These things are a work of art. They shoot and shoot. Had mine for about three + years now and they just don't jam. They will feed anything. The only thing I don't like is the 10 round clip. My buddy has the 40 Tactical same story.

My XD9 subcompact holds 10 in the mag but my tactical will run 17 rounds with one in the pipe...

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Originally posted by Jay Johnson:
Have a XD in 9MM. These things are a work of art. They shoot and shoot. Had mine for about three + years now and they just don't jam. They will feed anything. The only thing I don't like is the 10 round clip. My buddy has the 40 Tactical same story.

My XD9 subcompact holds 10 in the mag but my tactical will run 17 rounds with one in the pipe...

You have a gun that came out after the Brady Bill went out of law.

Between the XD and glock I think you are pretty even with what you get, I feel both are superior to the CZ in terms of functional reliability. Probably the best firing 40 I have ever touched has been the Sig P229, followed by the P239, then the P226.

John

I go with Glock every time.

I've owned sig, s&w, beretta, taurus, glock DA autos (although, the glock really isn't). I've not shot the XDs, I like the feel though, much like a 1911 grip angle. The sig was the second most reliable pistols, only jams w/ bad reloads at weird angles. Yet, I am still waiting for the first jam on my glock w/ about 5000 rounds through it. The sigs were more accurate, and maybe the XD is too, but I can't imagine anything being more reliable than a glock.

At the SHO show the guys at the Springfeild booth did not like like when I told them that John Browning to care of the grip safey problem when he invented the Hi power.

Just bought a new pistol. The contestants were
CZ75, Springfield XD 45 and the Glop 21.

The CZ was the favorite going in. It dropped out because the large grip and long trigger reach doesn't work for me. Can barely reach the trigger.

Glop 21. Wrong grip angle, grip too big, spongy numb trigger.
At the same time I was picking out a pistol, I read about kabooms at the LAPD and Portland Police depts. I was present at a kaboom years ago. No reloads, it kaboomed on factory Federal ammo. As long as Glop refuses to do a redesign and recall of Glops to fix the kabooms and ergonomics, I can't see myself ever buying one. Glop was a ground breaking design when it came out, but the competition has caught up and passed Glop.

Springfield XD 45
Excellent grip, fit is good, great trigger. Good sights. The first hi-cap 45 that fits my hand comfortably. All the others I have tried are too big and clunky. The XD was $110 cheaper than the Glop.
The XD won. Put it on layaway two weeks ago.

This is my opinion. your opinion may vary.

ZM

Zeke

When you get back from shooting it the first time post and let us know what your impression is. Think you're going to like it.

I just bought an XD 45. I am really impressed with it. My dealer is selling more of the XDs than anything else right now. Give it a look. I think you'll like it!

My vote goes to XD. I own XD9 and I love it. I am thinking about buying XD40.
Guns shoots nicely and where I point.

Well I had a Glock 22 (full sized 40) that I traded for a Ruger Redhawk and some cash. Shot that gun quite a bit with no trouble at all. Not a truly accuate gun though. I've also shot/handled a friends XD-9 SubCompact, I acctually used this gun to qualify for my concealed carry class having never fired it before. Both good guns. I don't care for the grip saftey, but the polished stainless mags that came with the XD will drop at the touch of the mag release where my glock mags would fail to do so 30% of the time. I'm now thinking about reconsidering the XD for a carry gun over the S&W 637 I had originaly thought of.

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Zeke

When you get back from shooting it the first time post and let us know what your impression is. Think you're going to like it.

Got to shoot my new XD 45. Put around 200? rounds through it.

Feels pretty good. Looks like a brick but feels good in the hand. Gun is top heavy compared to my Commander. Doesn't affect shooting. Seems to hit where I aim it. I am not the best shot on the planet so I only shot a couple of paper plate groups at 10 yards. Chased pop-cans and blasted lots of orange clay targets.

Best trigger I have ever shot in a tupperware gun and rivals my CZ-83 for having a great trigger period.

I put 150 rounds of UMC 230gr hardball through it with no hiccups.
Brought about 75 rounds from my orphan ammo can. There was S&B hardball, Wolf steel cased ammo, Federal 230gr FMJ, three different types of my handloads(wimpy, warm and +P) with a 225gr cast flatnosed bullet and some really ancient 200gr SWC. Some Remington 230 JHP and two different versions of Federal 230gr Hydra-shok. This is the part of the festivites where I just put rounds in the mag without regard to bullet type and brand. Just put them in the mag and start shooting. If a gun is going to choke, this is where it will choke.

No surprises. Fed everything.

Excellent gun.


ZM