My glock has failed me numerous times. At first it was the mag. I had several FTF's. After I bought a new mag I had a FTE. THe Glock has jammed more times in the first 500 rnds than my HK in the first 1500 rnds. I like my glock and am glad I bought it cause I got a good price but nothing can beat the quality of an HK. Not to mention the glock is an ugly gun. With the square slide it has no good looks to it. THe HK looks much better and is much better built. Although I'm still glad I have a glock, one cannot beat German engineering. After replacing the mag and more rounds after the FTE, the glock seems to be fine. I am not biased. HK is the best!

German......Austrian......I would not pay the money for the USP. Not that it is a bad gun, but I just will not pay that much for them. I have shot many Glocks and own a couple. I have never had a FTF or a FTE in my 22C my 27 FTF once. My freind has a USP in 45. It is a great gun but in his opinion. After 5,000 rounds it started to slam fire on him( he immediatly stoped firing it and sent it to get serviced). If I recall he has had to get it serviced Once or Twice. I think just once but I cant remember. The only thing I do not like about glock is the Barrel. When it comes to guns I say what ever works for you, Not what other people say or like. I see alot of guys buying guns just becuase they look cool. Nothing wrong with that, I wont do it though. I currently have a 3.5# trigger which will soon be 3# after I change the firing pin spring. Also have a mag well,extended controls,and ameriglo ghost ring night sights. I am currently in debate over a new Barsto or KKM barrel. I think I am going with the KKM. Cheers-Ben

As far as a carry pistol, I would prefer the USP because it is DA/SA with second strike capability. I had one in .40 and it was excellent in reliability and overall quality, but it wasn't especially accurate. It's nice to know that an American company is making a .45 ACP that I believe rivals it as far as recoil reduction and minimizing frame stress and that is the Ruger P-345. Mine is quite accurate as well. It isn't double stack and that might be an issue for some. Not for me.

We also have a new player in the game as far as 9mm, .357 Sig and the .40 S&W. That would be the new Beretta Storm that I believe is targeted specifically at the H&K USP. Like H&K, Beretta omitted a striker firing system and went with a conventional DA/SA trigger and that is a must for me personally. When you fire enough ammo you will have a primer that will fail to ignite at some point because it wasn't seated to the proper depth at the factory and slipped through QC. SA and 1911 guys that carry them concealed utilize the T-R-B drill, but in my experience it is much faster to pull through a second time in DA and it has never failed to set things right. If you have a preference for the SA autoloader and can execute a TRB and feel absolutley comfortable that you could do it under fire, I say whatever works! For me, I want second strike capability and that mandates a DA autoloader, or a striker fired pistol that has second strike capability as long as it's not a DAO. Mastering the DA trigger is not nearly as hard as some try to make it sound and I have always wondered if these same people ever shoot their revolvers in DA mode. I do, with both.

You guys are probably focused on polymer frame pistols, but if we include metal frame guns, I'd own a SIG before the USP, or the Glock. Just my oppinion, but it also serves some of the most elite warriors in the world as well as an impressive list of LE agencies. Not just the rank and file of LE.

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You guys are probably focused on polymer frame pistols, but if we include metal frame guns, I'd own a SIG before the USP, or the Glock.

I am indiferent to metal or polymer.
We carry the sigs at work. I hate them. If glock had a metal frame I think I might like it even more. As far as the second strike goes, I agree. It is much easier than Rack n' jack. On to the SA 1911(ect) I would not carry one...at least not concealed. I want one in the tube and a full double stack mag. I dont want to have to pull the hammer back or rack one in. I want to be able to grab and fire. I love most handguns, but as far as my favorite I say Glock. -Ben

I have the HK USP compact because I prefer a positive manual safety, but the Sig and Glock both have many ardent fans. I wish the HK had a better trigger (I think the 1911s rule there) but I like the total package of the HK best.

Ben, where do you get your trigger parts for the Glock. I might be interested in doing a trigger job on mine.

A guy named Smitty. He does the Ebay/Gunbroker thing. I will show a picture and you can see what all you get for 45 bucks.( you might be able to get it cheaper, thats just what I ended up paying.) It is a drop in kit. Took me 2 minutes and some beer to get the job done. I will say this my speed and group shooting have been touched by the Accuracy Improvment Gods. Haha. Not really but alot of my so called "sloppy shots" have all but disapered.

This is his add for the Kit:


Smitty has picked up a package that will allow the Glock enthusiast to add performance to his/her gun with a minimum of effort. With the kit, the shooter will be able to switch between their competition trigger set-up and their stock set-up with the removal of a couple of pins.

The kit includes the stock competition trigger kit mounted in a new trigger mechanism housing (for the specific caliber) with a trigger with hand polished trigger bar assembly/ 3.5 pound connector, COMPETITION SPRING..NO SLACKY FEEL, SMOOTH light pull, and still find TRIGGER RESET EASILY- completing the drop-in package.

This is a complete package, so there is no juggling of small parts necessary. A major benefit to this package is the fact that you retain the carry parts for replacement if you sell the gun or periodically use the gun for carry.
Additionally, the gun does not have to go out to an Armorer for an extended period of time for modification. The unit is tested for perfection - it is one of the finest pieces of work.
This is a competition/sport shooting package, it is not intended for duty or carry purposes. (I DO, but this is the disclaimer!) YOU will love this! Connectors available seperately $15 a pop in other auctions.


QUESTIONS: 516-220-8388 or smitty@att.net RETAILS $65-$87 BUT not here!
$5.00 DELIVERY CONFIRMED shipping USA

You can also further reduce the trigger pull appx .5 lbs by changing the Firing pin spring. Here is the link to that.

http://www.topglock.com/catalog/springs.htm

The reduced power firing pin spring will give you roughly a 1/2# less trigger pull weight. This is intended for target shooters.
We do not recommend that this spring be used in self defense or duty guns.
ITEM # DESCRIPTION YOUR PRICE
42425 Reduced power firing pin spring - package of 1 spring $2.45

Howdy,

My good hunting buddy has a very nice .45 USP and I have a Glock 21. For me, it works like this: My Glock is way more reliable in that it will feed any ammo I give it. The USP will not feed some types of ammo (like wolf). The first time we took my buddy's USP out, it took both of us to free the slide, which had become jammed as it tried to eject a round.

The USP does shoot a little better on paper for me; the recoil comes straight back unlike the Glock which jumps just a little. The USP also fits my hand a little better and the slide release is in the perfect position. The HK trigger in nicer too, out of the box. However, I've NEVER had a failure to feed with my Glock. Never. My Glock 21 was about $300 less than the USP (which is why I bought it in the first place over the USP).

Anyway, someone mentioned that his Glock had a FTF "several" times, which is the only time I've heard of that happening with a Glock. I do love the USP, don't get me wrong, but having seen it fail with some types of ammo, I'm aware that you just can't put cheap ammo through them (like putting cheap tires on a BMW -she won't like them).

I'll take reliability over a little better shooting any day. I was never a big fan of the lesser caliber Glocks, but I love their .45s. Also, after a few trips to the range, I have the Glock trigger down now. As they say, "don't let me put a bead on you . . ."

Good Luck,

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Originally posted by .223 VARMINT-I want one in the tube and a full double stack mag. I dont want to have to pull the hammer back or rack one in. I want to be able to grab and fire. I love most handguns, but as far as my favorite I say Glock. -Ben

I must agree in that there just is no fussing with a Glock. I've never had a failure to feed with my 21. I can't say that about a USP or 1911. No comment on a SIG. I like them all, but for reliability, a Glock is KING in my book.

I cannot speak for the larger caliber USP's but I once owned a G21 that would feed empty cases.
I have owned both G17,17L 19 and 26. All work 100% straight out of the box.
I have also owned a USP 9mm, once again 100% function out of the box.
For Military use, the Glock is great. Since we were never allowed to carry with one up the spout, the lack of an external safety was irrelevent.
For personal carry, in Civvy street, I would opt for the USP. #1, the external safety. #2 the external hammer. Some may laugh, but I was taught to place my thumb on the hammer, after decocking, when reholstering. That way, if the trigger is fouled on some part of clothing or equipment, you can feel the hammer start to move, and stop and clear the obstruction, rather than shoot yourself in the foot.
This is part of the drill I have taught all my students who carry guns with exposed hammers.
With a Glock, special care must be taken when reholstering, to ensure that the trigger is free of all obstructions.
Keep in mind please, that all my student were either Military, or Police. As such they were taught to reholster while still scanning for threats, not looking at their holsters.
Second strike capacity is also irrelevent. If it didn't work the first time, get rid of it for a fresh round. Tap, Rack, Scan. (or Bang, depends on the threat level.)

Bottom line, I guess, is go with the one you like, and feel comfortable with.
Hope this helps, JMHO formed over 20 years use of the damn ugly things.


Cheers, Dave.
P.S, never carry a Glock with one up the spout in a soft holster, if you use an IWB holster always use kydex or stiff leather. This will help you keep all your toes.

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Originally posted by Teat Hound:
Howdy,

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Anyway, someone mentioned that his Glock had a FTF "several" times, which is the only time I've heard of that happening with a Glock.
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Good Luck,

I've had 3 with mine since '97. All were factory UMC ammo from different lots, all fired on the second time through. I therefore consider all to have been high primers and factory QC issues. Since I shoot about 3 times as many reloads as factory ammo through the same pistol, and my reloads have never (as in NEVER) failed, I think the pistol is fine.

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Originally posted by .223 VARMINT-VENTALATOR:
It is much easier than Rack n' jack. On to the SA 1911(ect) I would not carry one...at least not concealed. I want one in the tube and a full double stack mag. I dont want to have to pull the hammer back or rack one in. I want to be able to grab and fire. I love most handguns, but as far as my favorite I say Glock. -Ben

Another vote for the Plastic Fantastic. I shoot a 23, 27 and 29. Never a FTF or FTE from any of the three.

My G17 has never failed to go bang, but I really don't care much for the trigger or grip angle. I find the USP much more user friendly & my USP40 is plenty accurate. Another good choice is the XD by Springfield. I'm taking a hard look @ their new .45acp, much better grip than the G21 for shooters w/ med. to small hands.

Fredj338,
I just got my hands on an XD .40 (one of their subcompacts) and I am very impressed. It's got a comfortable grip angle and in my mind has the features that everyone likes about a Glock in a better package. I don't think you could go wrong with their .45 either.

I own a Glock 19 and an XD 40,
Both are excellant pistols.
I have never had a failure with either pistol.

If the Glock has problems, contact Glock. Most likely they will fix any problems for FREE.

Thanks for the input guys. In the end I'm glad I have both guns. I'm thinking of buying a sig next but the ne XD seems nice too.

One more vote for the Glock 21. When I pull the trigger, it goes bang, all 14 times I lull the trigger. Never had a ftf or fte. And with Midway selling 13rd. mags for $15 I stocked up, and keep the carry mags rotated once a month.
I love 1911's, and but if SHTF, I'll grab the plastic in a heartbeat. (To stick in my waistband while I'm racking a round in the old Winchester '97)

My Dept. issues Glock 22 & 23's. depending if you are uniform or not. My experence is with the 23. I have had several FTF issues after many rounds at the range. My personal 23 has been returned to the armourer twice for function issues. I can not stress the importance of having confidense in your sidearm. Due to that and Dept. policy of being able to carry a sidearm you can quailify with, I purchased a USP40 compact which I have yet to have a issue with. However with that said, I would state that over 90% continue to carry the issued Glock.

I am new to this sight but not to shooting. I'm not real fond of glocks but do own a 22 and 17. I prefer the the 22 as my wife claims the 17 is hers. 2 days ago at our local indoor range I heard a young man cussing the HK he was shooting. A quick glance to his lane confirmed it was the shooter not the gun. Even my 629 with light loads does not recoil to the ceiling! I offered some friendly advice but was looked upon stupidly, luckily he was about to fire his last magazine, promptly did so and left the range. To the point, the HK is a very fine weapon and I have seen many shooters shoot them better than I can shoot my Glocks. To date I have fired nearly 6,000 rds through my 22 and can't remember a ftf. I guess when it comes right down to it I would like to have an HK but my glock's serve me just fine and I would rather save the difference in pennies towards a nice new upland bird gun, an elk hunt in Colorado or a custom singleaction Linebaugh just because!

I've been carrying a USP Compact in 40 S&W for over a year now. I've only shot about 800 rounds through it, but have never had a problem of any kind. I bought it new at a gun show for $550. It has the LEM trigger and I am totally happy with it. I shot a USPSA competition last week w/ it just because I wanted to see how well my carry gun would stack up. It worked very well except for the Texas star- but that's a bugger no matter from 20 yards...

I am by no means an expert but if you're having trouble with either gun all i can think of is either you're using very cheap ammunition, the gun has been fired thousands of times and not cleaned once, or you somehow got a gun with a defect from the factory.
I've shot literally thousands of rounds through my glocks and through glocks that belong to friends. never once have i seen them jam, or fail to be accurate, even after all those rounds.
i have a usp tactical, and its one of my favorite pistols. not something i carry, or shoot every time i go to the range but so far it has been just as reliable as glocks, and i would say slightly more accurate.

I have never had a H&K,so I don't really have an opinion about them.The very few people I know who could afford them,liked them.I have had (16) Glocks total and have never had a bad one.The only part that ever broke on one was a G30 that I let the recoil assembly slip assembling it and chipped the end of it.It still functioned fine.I've never had a malfunction in any of them with adults shooting them.When my son was 7,a G22 jammed from limp wristing with him shooting it.I'm really impressed with them.

I had a Glock 17 & shot a friends H&K USP 40, to make a long story short I sold the Glock & bought a H&K USP Fullsize in 40 S&W. Sig makes a fine 9mm but I sure do enjoy shooting my H&K.

I picked up a hardly used full size .40 usp from a guy going on a navy tour a few years back,,I love it,,The ambidexterous mag release,d/a,de-cock,It's pretty neat to see a newbie's eyes grow wide watching the hammer fall on a known loaded chamber,,and the gun does'nt fire,,always pointed in a safe direction though,,I don't trust much of anything,The thing is deadly accurate,,I had a moocher tagging along one day,,was only good for wasting my ammo,,and setting targets,,he set up a bunch of things to shoot one day at a informal "range" ,when he got back to the line,,In one clip I dessimated his targets,,royally pissed him off,,he got in his truck and drove off,,good riddance! I'd have A hard time choosing between my usp and 1911,,It's a good thing I could put one in each pocket,,and sling my H-bars and garands over my shoulders if there was ever a fire here,,Clay