If you shoot revolver, you get a revolver only license. Shooting 1911s I own would be easy. Shooting the sightless wonder .380 pocket polymers would be harder but be applicable to a lot of times I might choose to carry. Shooting the PLR-16 with a carry handle/A2 sight attached in place of a telescope (since no optics are allowed) and it's technically a pistol would be funny as f*ck and I'd get all my 175 points easily before we even moved past 7 yard shooting out of a possible 250 points on a huge target with a giant 5 point area. 175 points needed to pass.

Be a smart aleck and possibly disturb other shooters with braked 5.56 muzzle blast, shoot the old reliable 1911 gals, or shoot the sightless wonders and see how well I can do at 15 yards? PLR isn't really much louder than my 3" 1911s...

Decisions, decisions...but I can not switch guns mid-stream...Not worried about being able to qual with any of them and there is opportunity for humour and I know the DPS instructor reasonably well personally. Would injecting humour into such a situation be a bad idea?

Trench coat and sling optional?

The humour would be a bad idea.
Most clases quals I have seen the instructor tells the class exactly how many rounds to shoot for each stage of the course.

Shoot the 1911.

Most people in the class will not be as good a shooter as you are.

Keep a low profile. If you do have to shoot somebody your whole class could be Supeoneaed to court.

You do not want to be known as the "squirrelly" one.

best thing to do is check with your instuctor as to what he wants you to bring. I give the class here in MI and i allow about any kind of handgun but incourage people to bring what they own and will probably use and not borrow a 22 to get them through the course.

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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
best thing to do is check with your instuctor as to what he wants you to bring. I give the class here in MI and i allow about any kind of handgun but incourage people to bring what they own and will probably use and not borrow a 22 to get them through the course.

Using a Revolver only gets you a revolver license.

Using a Semi-Auto Gets you a anything pistol license.

If it's DA/SA you have to fire the first shot of each group DA.

Must be .32ACP or greater caliber.

I honestly don't know what they'd do if you showed up with a single shot pistol. Probably give you the revolver license. It'd be close on time to get the courses of fire done with a single shot. You'd have to be quite practiced to pull off the "2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times, 5 shots in 10 seconds etc." Not saying it couldn't be done but it wouldn't be easy by any stretch of the imagination.

I'll shoot one of my 1911s but the PLR idea still would be funny, but some places humour is best left at home...

You'd get sent home straightaway with a .22. Shame cos my best shooters are well tuned Mk I and II Rugers, but the idea is to be familiar with and able to shoot what you would actually carry defensively against humans, not squirrels...

in michigan you can qualify with any handgun you bring and theres no seperate revolver and auto licience.

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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
in michigan you can qualify with any handgun you bring and theres no seperate revolver and auto licience.

General Texas course outline, though not from the instructor/acquaintance of mine I'll be dealing with as he has no website.

Info is basically accurate

Truthfully, in Texas, you can carry anywhere but posted places with no CHL under the "traveling" provision, but you could end up spending a night in jail and lawyer money over doing it that way. If you aren't drunk or comitting any other sort of crime, it'd be hard for a TX DA to make a charge stick unless you only have public defender money.

The advantage of having the CHL is it saves the NICS check every time you do a bit of horse trading at the local shops.

I have a CHL and have had one since they came out with them here. The objective is to qualify with the weapon you intend to carry---not look like some "whack job"...

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I have a CHL and have had one since they came out with them here. The objective is to qualify with the weapon you intend to carry---not look like some "whack job"...

Everybody at the range/store/instructor already know me and have for years. I have an annual membership. I've put thousands of dollars in their pockets. I'm not a felon or else I wouldn't have been able to put thousands of dollars in their pockets. They allow me to bend some range rules that they'd kick other people off the range for. I don't reckon they think of me as a whackjob. I likely could qualify with a Lorcin weak side one handed if need be...

Don't be presumptuous of people and I'll not put you on ignore. It was a humorous idea. I've got about 20 options of things I might carry, depending on circumstances and attire of the day that all would legally fall under legal CHL pistols. Should I make a list and tack it to the dart board and toss a dart to decide which I qual with or have some fun with it?

Regards and check my sig because I MEAN IT, I care about the opinions of the other people in the qual course about as much as I care about yours, i.e. not at all. You make the first impression of about a fart in church.

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You make the first impression of about a fart in church.

Do you have a mirror? I'd suggest that if you want to be taken seriously on a topic then you should approach it with probity. Regardless of your opinion, most people and certainly the instructors treat a CHL class as a serious business. Since you know all the answers, why ask?

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Since you know all the answers, why ask?

I believe the word HUMOUR was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE. Mebbe you missed it?

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Since you know all the answers, why ask?

I believe the word HUMOUR was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE. Mebbe you missed it?

Mebbe you should have kept it humorous?

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Since you know all the answers, why ask?

I believe the word HUMOUR was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE. Mebbe you missed it?

Mebbe you should have kept it humorous?

Mebbe you shouldn't have spoke like a schoolmarmish person?

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Since you know all the answers, why ask?

I believe the word HUMOUR was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE. Mebbe you missed it?

Mebbe you should have kept it humorous?

Mebbe you shouldn't have spoke like a schoolmarmish person?

Words too long for you?

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by tom`:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Since you know all the answers, why ask?

I believe the word HUMOUR was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE. Mebbe you missed it?

Mebbe you should have kept it humorous?

Mebbe you shouldn't have spoke like a schoolmarmish person?

Words too long for you?

I don't seem to be the one with comprehension issues here. See you at the range, somewhere, no doubt. No point in continuing this, as personal attacks aren't particularly a good usage of time. I already have one mom, and she's more than enough for me...check your mom-ish behavior at the door and we'll get along fine.

You should call your mother, your puerile thread and behavior need a check up. Finally, I won't see you at the range, I've got my own.

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You should call your mother, your puerile thread and behavior need a check up. Finally, I won't see you at the range, I've got my own.

Buy a mirror and practice something called reading comprehension. You've hit the ignore list.

I've my own range too, but I sometimes show myself in public to outshoot internet assholes. Care to wager on just how good you are? Texas is a big state but I bet we could find a place to settle how "smart and accurate" you are. Or you could shut your pie hole and pick a fight with somebody that doesn't fight back....

Having a keyboard doesn't entitle you to being a rude douchebag. Don't say anything here you wouldn't say to me directly in person and we could get along fine. If not, you're on the ignore list anyway.

Gatogordo--fat bastard by self-definition--no manners--internet skills to insult people and not even good at that, no sense of humour?

That how you like to be known? You're an internet wind-up toy to me at this point. Hope you enjoy it.

My, my, sensitive child, aren't you? Tsk, tsk........

PS: Anyone who is so obviously emotionally unstable as you are should probably not have a CHL.

Two ignored posts I didn't read.

Fine job.

Wind up toy, you are.

Good Luck with that...You tried to turn a bit of levity into an insult fest and I refused your tossing your hat in the ring as the biggest twat ever this week. Keep after it, you're still on ignore and I have no idea what your responses were, but I notice the timeframe of them and it makes me giggle. Wind up toys are what they are...

I must have riled you up but good, pointing you at a mirror.

Feel free to send me a private message if you wish to "show me up" whatever that might mean in your imagination. I'll actually show and might even provide the ammo and firearms for you to hang yourself with.

You might be in the running for stupid fat old man prize to out-rank Kim the Twat.

How much are you willing to wager?

Has to be over a grand to make it worth my while to drive anywhere. Cashiers checks, Ruger Number Ones, Proper Westley Richards rifles will be accepted if you don't have the cash to back up your mouthiness.

Or you could shut up while you're behind?

Your call. Feel free to PM.

tom,
In your CHL class you'll find the instructor will spend quite a bit of time covering the basic precepts of conflict de-escalation; be sure to pay particular attention.

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tom,
In your CHL class you'll find the instructor will spend quite a bit of time covering the basic precepts of conflict de-escalation; be sure to pay particular attention.

any anti gun liberal reading this post would have a field day.

In the REAL WORLD you might find a primer called "Webster's Dictionary" that covers the concept of "humour" or "humor" depending on which spelling you prefer. And I seem to have found a hotbed of "anti-humour" conservatives.

The internet IS SERIOUS, you know...all the time. Be ever vigilant for anybody that proposes something funny because it's funny.

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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
best thing to do is check with your instuctor as to what he wants you to bring. I give the class here in MI and i allow about any kind of handgun but incourage people to bring what they own and will probably use and not borrow a 22 to get them through the course.

It doesn't sound like MI has much of a qulification system!

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Originally posted by tom`:
Using a Revolver only gets you a revolver license.

Useing anything besides a simi-auto gets you a "NSA" (NO SIMI-AUTO)license

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Using a Semi-Auto Gets you a anything pistol license.

The "SA" license allows you to use any type handgun, and/or any caliberb but you must qualify with at least a 32 caliber!

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If it's DA/SA you have to fire the first shot of each group DA.

NOT TRUE!
You simply start with the magazine out of the pistol, or the revolver open! Once the instrustor tells you to load, you load the magazine or cylinders but do not install the magazine or close the cylinder, till he instructs you to lock, and load.

At that point you install the magazine in the simi-auto,and rack the slide to load a round, or close the revolver, and you are allowed to cock the revolver for every shot. This is repeated for each segment of the shooting qualification.

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Must be .32ACP or greater caliber.

TRUE!

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I honestly don't know what they'd do if you showed up with a single shot pistol. Probably give you the revolver license. It'd be close on time to get the courses of fire done with a single shot. You'd have to be quite practiced to pull off the "2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times, 5 shots in 10 seconds etc." Not saying it couldn't be done but it wouldn't be easy by any stretch of the imagination.

In my experience you would not be allowed to shoot with a single shot, because of the safety factor of haveing to minipulate the pistol considerably for every shot, and exasorbate time constraints!

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I'll shoot one of my 1911s but the PLR idea still would be funny, but some places humour is best left at home...

FUNNY, does not belong on a fireing line, whether you are dimonstrateing proficiency with a hand gun or shooting a 600 NE double rifle for fun!

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You'd get sent home straightaway with a .22. Shame cos my best shooters are well tuned Mk I and II Rugers, but the idea is to be familiar with and able to shoot what you would actually carry defensively against humans, not squirrels...

The exercise is not a shooting match, but to show your proficiency with a self defense handgun.

There is a good reason to qualify with a simi-auto no matter what type you intend carrying! It costs no more for the SA license, than it does for the NSA license, so why limit yourself to not being able to carry a simi-auto, if you want. Then there is no reason you can't carry any handgun, or caliber that you can conceal.

The qualification in Texas is very lenient requireing only 175 out of a posible 250 points, at three distances. The qulification shoot is 50 rounds at a silhouette target, at 8,12, and 16 yds. some rappid fire, and some slow fire, all with different amounts of rounds fired, but none over five round on a sequince.

I find it easy to place all 50 rounds in the mid chest area. That is the kill zone, but also includes the neck and head of the silhouette, so any one who can shoot at all should qualify, yet some don't! Usually the ones that don't are usually single women, who went out and bought a snubnosed 38 revolver, and are trying to qualify with a firearm that is not well suited to accuracy at more than 8 yds, unless the person handleing it is a proficient handgun shooter.

I have renewed my 4 yr CHL SA license three times, with no problem with either the written test on the penal code, and/or changes to the code, or the proficiency with a handgun qualification! The origenal class is 16 hours of class instruction on the penal code, and a writen test of 100 questions, and qulifying the proficiency with a handgun shooting.

The renewal is 8 hours of class , and the written test, and the diminstration of preficiency with a handgun, every four yrs!

Agreed on all of the above except that some instructors will force you to shoot a DA/SA on DA for the first round of a string. Might not be carved in law but it's carved in the law of "shooting as you carry..."

Sorry my bit of levity provoked so much blather. Was supposed to be funny.

I've been to see the eles and capes, but alas, have only had plains game trophy fee money....

Hey Tom, you are right, some instructors place their own little biases into the training, but as you say that requirement is not the law, though it makes little difference, because all my double action simi-autos shoot just as well dA as they do SA.

The levity is fine on the internet, and I understand your heat when, in your opinion, you were called down! However, I think you know the fireing range is no place for horse play.

Where did you hunt in Africa, and what animals did you take? My first day in the Luangwa Valley of Zambia in the 1980s I took a 26" hippo, and 39" Cape Buffalo, and a 22" impala by noon. In the next three days I put 8000 pounds of smoked biltong (meat) in a village of 1500 people who ate it all in less than three days.

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Where did you hunt in Africa, and what animals did you take? My first day in the Luangwa Valley of Zambia in the 1980s I took a 26" hippo, and 39" Cape Buffalo, and a 22" impala by noon. In the next three days I put 8000 pounds of smoked biltong (meat) in a village of 1500 people who ate it all in less than three days.

Sand River and Limpopo River valleys.
Impalas, Steenbok, Duiker (both trophy class of little 5), Baboons, Monkeys, Zebra, Kudu, Francolins, and a lot of fishing. Caught 8 bream in 30 minutes on the Limpopo one day on worms we dug.

If health holds up, I hope to go back in March again (2009). I like the off-season. It's harder work but there's nobody out there but me and a guide. Mike Bellm is helping me put together a leopard eating Encore in .375H&H. Yah, there are better and worse calibers but it has ammo commonality with my favorite BRNO rifle. Consider it a powder wasting .375JDJ pistol, if you will.

My friend Chris from Gunsmithing College turned all of his Impala but the liver and onions we had after the kill into biltong. Was wonderful to have along trudging up and down those rocky slopes. Tried to build a biltong box here and use venison and I come close but it isn't the same as air dried in Africa.

I like the early hunts as well. My safaris have all been in the late June, to the first week of August! The weather is cool in the day, and cold at night. The bush is a little green in June, and most of the grass is too green to burn off yet, but I hunt with double rifles, and I like to get close enough to hear the belly rumbleing on a Buffalo, and I'm deaf.

The handgun you speak of will be a real flasher, I'm sure. I have a contender with a 16 1/4" barrel ported,chambered for 411 JDJ. The barrel started life as a super 14 barrel chambered for 41 Rem Mag. The muzzle brake was perminently mounted so the thing is legal to use with a carbine stock. Iron sights remounted to the brake, and the barrel as both are the same diameter. I built this thing about 8 yrs ago, and have never shot it, as I don't have a set of dies for, and I simply lost interest in hunting with a handgun.

Good luck on your next safari. POP a Buff, and a big Eland!