Just looked at a used Glock 23 with night sites for $475 and a used High Power for $500.

The Glock was built in 1992 and has seen some wear on the barrel but looks good on the outside. The High Power looks new.

For general plinking and home defense, what does everyone think?

For ccw, I leaning towards the Glock. Both daughter (17) and wife want to learn to shoot for defense.

Thanks for the help.

For me the choice is easy....High power! This is a classic pistol which, chambered in .40 beats its 9mm heritage.

I know Glocks are functional but : SO UGLY! Cannot warm up to them....

Carluchin

I have to agree the High power is good looking and in the 40 S&W should be great for protection.

I would go w/ the BHP, but your wife & daughter will not like the recoil of the 40s&w in either. If it's for all in the family, a good 4" .357mag revolver would be my choice. Simple to use, easy to shoot w/ 38sp & very effective for HD w/ 38sp+p or .357mags. If it must be a semiauto, a 9mm will be easier & cheaper to shoot & is still a very effective HD caliber, JMO.

they are both really great guns, the price does seem a little off, at least for the high power. local dealer had several that were brand new going for 400. by the time i got there, they were all sold. a glock should run you at least 500 brand new, but not a HP.

as far as which to choose, they are both great guns. i would say that the glock would make a better SD weapon than the HP though.

Thanks for the help guys!

Snapper, there, of course, other safety related features that make the two guns significantly different, especially for self defence.
Peter.

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Originally posted by Peter:
there are other safety related features that make the two guns significantly different, especially for self defence.
Peter.

Peter, are you refering to the safe action Glock with the trigger safety, Drop safety and firing pin safety, or the single safety on the Hi Power?

Snapper, the former! You referred to your wife and children learning to shoot for self defence. I regard the "safe action" Glock as probably being better for folks not intimately familiar with gun handling in a pressure situation. Doesn't the single safety of the single action Browning assume cocked and safety on? I am NOT interested in starting an argument, just pointing out that shooters sometimes get hung up on the "best gun", forgetting that the "best gun" is the one you have with you, and that one will be the one you are most comfortable with.
Peter.

Definately the BHP, a proven combat arm, has a real safety, holds it's value well, what's not to like. If you can't learn to take the safety off you probably should not be carrying a gun anyway. Because I was raised shooting 1911's I feel that they are much safer than the "safe action" type pitols, but that's just me, when I'm tucking into an IWB holster I want to know the safety is on.

OK, I hope you guys are happy!

I traded my 1911 GI for a Glock and my other 4" Stainless 1911 for a Hi-Power.

How am I doing so far?

I own and have own several Hi powers and glocks. I think the Hi power is one of the best handling pistols ever.

That said I carry a glock 22 every day and a glock 23 on the days I don't carry the 22. I have not carried my Hi power in ages. I have the 23 on right now.

I find the glock a very simple, tough, reliable easy to carry pistol.

p dog shooter,

The Hi-Power will be my nightstand gun and I'm looking at increasing my glock collection to include a G29 for ccw, a G19 for the ladies to shoot and maybe a G23 for around the house. We did have a mountain lion in town last night.

Picked up my Hi-Power with the trigger job. Sweet!

Enjoy the BHP, but I would never trade one of my 1911s for a Glock, never. Nothing shoots as well as a good 1911. The Glock has it's place, but I think you'll enjoy the BHP. Now, get those ladies some training.

fredj338

I agree 1911's are great pistols and may look at a "Loaded" Springfield in the future.

I'm intrested in that I've been told the Hi-Power is one of the greatest handgun designs ever. It's superior ergonomics and pointability, coupled with single-action operation, make it the choice of operators worldwide.

John Browning took the 1911 one step further and created the Hi-Power.

Can't stand Glocks! Sorry, they just don't feel right for me. They seem top-heavy, front heavy, and "klunky/bulky." I can't stand the trigger!

Glock trigger to me feels "spongy." Doubtless others will disagree. Glock is a fine gun. I just don't care for them. (Sig is a fine gun, and I don't care for them either.)

Learning to shoot one gun over another should be second nature. People who have to stop and think about how the gun works probably shouldn't be carrying one for defense. I watched a women at a range ages ago, could have been a man but it wasn't -- She was sure the cylinder release on the double action revolver was some sort of "safety" she needed to manipulate before the gun would shoot, or before setting it down.

And she was anxious about handling the gun. Anxious enough that she was going to not be able to use it for it's intended purpose -- which was her defense.

Browning Hi-Power is a fine gun. I like them. I like a 1911 too. But I don't think they're a good "first handgun" for someone learning to shoot. I'd go for a double action revolver -- so long as the shooter can get past the "safety" that releases the cylinder.

Kahr makes a nice assortment of defense guns. Double action, 7 lb. trigger more or less, no safeties, smooth action, well made, reliable. I like the features and the balance.

But it's a personal choice.

I love my 1911's but when I decided to buy a pistol in .40 S&W I chose the CZ75B. It's hard to beat on just about every criteria you can name. Mine happens to be very accurate right out of the box. I met one of the Team CZ IPSC shooters here in France and he did a fantastic trigger job on it for me. Now I like it even more.

Snapper: Glocks in .40 S&W do not provide adequate chamber support to the cartridge's casehead. Guys that own them and love them will have oppinions different from mine. I have owned a couple of Glock 22s. That is a different consideration than handing one to your wife and daughter to shoot.

It's hard to research all of them, but you won't find many or any serious defensive pistol shooters that don't love the SIG P-239 for a pure CC pistol. Chambered in 9mm, .40 S&W and .357 SIG. The 9mm version is worth considering for your wife and daughter. SIG has Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) pistols that make it easier to afford one. Many of them come with night sights installed.

Otherwise, I'm with Wink all the way. I bought a CZ 75 B a week ago and it is the most accurate .40 S&W pistol I have ever fired and I can't think of any I haven't fired. I've been shooting .40 S&W since it debuted in 1990. I was a CZ fan previous to this, but had lost interest in the .40 cartridge because I found pistols more accurate in 9mm and .45 ACP. The 75 B is nearly identical in size to the Hi-Power. I'm a fan of the Hi-Power but have the old school mentality that they're better in 9mm than they are in .40 S&W. The 75 B is a stronger pistol and I have never fired a pistol that I could call more accurate unless it had custom trigger work. And . . . this was from the box! You can have that too. Either from the CZ Custom shop, or for a few less $, from Miossi Gun Works who advertises at CZ Forum. With tuning and a triggerstop a CZ trigger can be as good as the best you'll ever find on a custom 1911. The difference is that a new base CZ 75 B pistol can be bought for around $400!

Thanks for the help on this one.

I have looked at the CZ75 and they are nice.

One CZ really worth a look for a carry pistol is the P-01. It uses a decocker and has a light rail built into the dust shield. The frame is forged aluminum. The aluminum frame of the "PCR" is cast aluminum. MY P-01 is very accurate. Slightly more accuarate than my shooting partners SIG P-228. The new CZ 75 Compact in .40 S&W is basically the same design except that the decocker is replaced by a manual safety and the frame is steel. While they are similar in size, the 75 Compact is considerably heavier. Here's the link for CZ-USA. http://www.cz-usa.com/

The CZ 75B, which I mentioned above, has a couple of attributes which were important to me:
1) I shoot a 1911 frequently and like to be able to use the cocked and locked carry mode. The CZ75B allows that. It also allows a hammer down, double action first shot if that is your preferred carry mode.
2) The safety is frame mounted and easy for me to manipulate.
3) All steel construction.


Here's a picture of mine before I put Hogue smooth grips on it, changed the hammer and put XS 24/7 XS sights on it.