There are a couple of IPSC shooters at my gun club. They tell me that over 90% of the shooters in any given division shoot the same pistol. For instance, in Production they all shoot the CZ SP-01 in 9mm. In Standard they all shoot the STI Edge in .40 S&W and in Open they all shoot the Tanfoglio in .38 Super. Do you see the same thing in the USA?

Wink I have not shot IPSC recently but my impression is that the 9x23 has overtaken the 38 Super. I could be wrong, others can chime in. I do have a Gold team in 9x21 (older model) but with the right loads is very accurate out to 50 yards.
Peter.

I thought the reduction in Power Factor pretty much killed the interest in the 9 X 23, since you could make major with the 38 Super without going overboard pressure-wise.

In the clubs I shoot with by far the majority are 1911s in 45 ACP made by various manufacturers including STI, and a few custom pieces, with an occasional CZ75. A few 40s and fewer 9s.

Wink, could be, however as long as you have a "supported chamber" you can make even the old IPSC power factors with the right powder. I believe that the 9x23 brass is stronger than some of the 38 Super brass and that made it preferred. I have a custom 38 Super which is single stack and hence passe for Unlimited. I also have a Kimber Pro Carry II in 38 Super as well as a standard Witness in 38 Super and a Witness Elite match in 38 Super, so I do like the caliber!
Peter.

Forgot to mention that I was intrigued by your posts about the CZ SP01 (I think it was you, either that or Juan) in anyc ase I wound up with a Glock 17L which I really like, and was less money.
Peter.

I've ordered my CZ SP-01, just waiting for the paperwork for the permit to come through so I can go pick it up from the dealer. I don't think I've ever shot a pistol that felt so good while shooting it.

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Originally posted by Peter:
Forgot to mention that I was intrigued by your posts about the CZ SP01 (I think it was you, either that or Juan) in anyc ase I wound up with a Glock 17L which I really like, and was less money.
Peter.

Pity

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Originally posted by Wink:
I've ordered my CZ SP-01, just waiting for the paperwork for the permit to come through so I can go pick it up from the dealer. I don't think I've ever shot a pistol that felt so good while shooting it.

From everything I have heard from chaps that have shot it, you are right on the money. I have a CZ75 and it is a wonderful pistol; accurate, reliable, good customer service if you need it, and it just feels good in the hand.

There are two pistols worth owning....the 1911 and the CZ. (At least Jeff Cooper thought so)

If I wasn't a bit wrapped up in revolvers right now I would get one.

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Glock 17L which I really like, and was less money

Actually, I lied (inadvertently). I was looking for the CZ SP01 Shadow Target that Wink had shown me in a previous thread, and wound up with the Glock 17L which WAS less money. The standard SP01 is less money.
Peter.

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Originally posted by Wink:
For instance, in Production they all shoot the CZ SP-01 in 9mm. In Standard they all shoot the STI Edge in .40 S&W and in Open they all shoot the Tanfoglio in .38 Super. Do you see the same thing in the USA?

No, many other guns, including the Glock in Production, Standard is a 40 cal. class so the STI/SVI guns do generally dominate there. STI/SVI in Open as well as the Tangfolio.

We see a lot of custom guns in Limited and open. Almost all 1911 with a few CZs.

Lots of Glocks and XDs in Production class.

I shoot .38 Super STI and Para based guns in Open, a Para based Limited guy, and CZ as well as HK in Production. My wife shoots a 9x21 CZ custom in Open and a stock 9x19 Springfield P9 in Limited.

Where I am at, for USPSA (The US IPSC region...)

Open is mostly a rimless 38 super analog (most guns are super chambered, but use the starline 38 supercomp brass) Although a number of the guys who have brought guns recently are using 9x19 major loading. The guns themselves are mostly STI/SV frames reworked by a custom smith, but a few die hards use the caspian high cap frame.

Limited (stanard) is mostly .40 S&W STI/SV framed guns, with a few caspians and paras thrown in.

Production is mostly Glocks, XD's or S&W M&P's although there are some of almost anything around.

There isn't much interest in Lim 10 (Standard with 10 round mag limits) but most are shooting the same guns as in Limited.

We also have revolver (What? we do?) and Single Stack which is essentially 1911 pistols only.

Hopefully that answers what you were looking for.

I forgot to add, that in the US we have a 10 round restriction on production- there really is absolutely no reason to go to the SP01 for production (Internationally with the 19 round mags, it makes a lot of sense) Also, in the US we use non competition holsters in production, with behind the hip mag pouches (also in single stack) and we have a 140mm mag length in limited (20-21 rounds of .40) which is different than the international guys.

I have not seen a modified division gun outside of the nationals.

Most open division guys around here shoot .38 Super comp .38 TJ or some other rimless version of the .38 Super. Those who want their guns to work shoot SV or STI...those who wanted a bargin bough tan To be fair, the new generation Tanfuckup pistols are getting much better.

I shoot standard and revolver division...so funnily enough have and STI edge in .40

Ganyana, what problems have you guys had with Tangfolio pistols? I have several Witness models in 38 Super, 45 ACP, 9x21 and 10 mm and have not experienced any problems yet. Perhaps you guys get different guns? Ours are imported by EAA.
Peter.

Over the years, I have replaced firing pins and slide stops in TZ/CZ pistols.

Tanfolio is the maker of EAA pistols. Used to be imported into the US by other companies (such as Springfield Armory's P9).

Do not have experience with very high round count pistols. Just don't shoot them as much as my 1911's. I have replaced barrels with Briley units but they didn't really need it.

Wink,

Most locally shoot 9x21 and .38 Super for open Class guns in modified 1911's and otherwise a mixture of 1911's in .45 acp or .40 S&W, and 9mm's in Glocks, XD's M&P's and CZ's.

9x23 Winchester brass is thicker than .38 Super at the base. The limited run of 80 Series Colt 1911's made at the same time Winchester introduced the 9x23 cartridge do not have a "supported" chamber. Since it was under .40 caliber, it did not make Major Power Factor here in the US for Limited Class guns and then the High Capacity Magazine Ban combined to stymie developement of the plarforms for the round. A 125 grain bullet at 1455 fps is certainly a major performer, but not by the definition at that time. It easily makes major now due to rule changes. I agree with Peter regarding a supported chamber when shooting .38 supers loaded to that velocity as occasionally, they blow in an unsupported chamber. 9x23 case life is also much better than .38 super when loaded hot.

Best,

jpj3

Hi Peter

One batch of barrels was very poor...the new replacement ones from Tan are much better. (the locking lugs were peening on the leading edge after a few thousand rounds). The new barrels make major with about 1grn less powder than the older ones. Most of the trouble seems to be magazine related IF you get the ammo exactly right. They are fussy on bullet shape, crimp etc. To be fair, I had an SV barrel in my Parar P16 (which was my main gun before the STI) and it had a very tight chamber and lead. If the ammo was perfect it ran without a hiccup, but I had to run ever round through a 'champlomb) minimum chamber checker. A SAAMI 'standard' chamber was oversise for what the SV barrel would take.

It is possible we got sent the scrap..we have had two batches of S&W over the years which were clearly ones they couldn't sell in the USA...send it to Africa!