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I have seen this rifle for sale for some time now. Can anyone tell me if the action is original? Looks different to most vintage Rigby Boxlocks I’ve seen. Normally the “John Rigby & Co” is larger and in different style. Case colours look a bit new for 1930? Might have just had very little use. The butt certainly does not look original, normally more slender behind the pistol grip. Thanks. https://www.gunsinternational....cfm?gun_id=101048573 | ||
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It's been for sale for some time due to the very high price. Doubles are in a down market and I have seen (and bought) fully engraved Rigby's for 10K less (not rising bites). This rifle has minimal engraving. The new case adds zero to the value. The sissy pad should be replaced with a correct Silver's pad. The condition is great but I wonder if the case colors were redone as they do look too good to be 90 years old. Close examination would tell if a reblue was done. Refinishing to original specs does not hurt a double. There are several fairly new dealers out there who try to have a fancy gun shop and mark up the prices to be in the same league as the established names such as the English firms or Griffin and Howe. This rifle would be a wonderful double to add to your gun safe and take to Africa but you will NEVER get your money out of it should you decide to sell it. If I had this rifle for sale I would find it difficult to get 25K out of it. Just my two cents after a quick look. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Thanks Cal, yes that sissy pad would be the first thing to come off if I had anything to do with it. What do you think about the stock? Recent addition? I think it might have even been 47k when it was first advertised. Madness. | |||
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With the swivle that far back, the stock has been cut to add the pad. It may be new wood or completely redone. The price is way out of line for what it is. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Cal, You should write a book on doubles. Oh wait, are there any left? I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Cheers thanks Cal | |||
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Those don't appear to be "English" colors. In addition, the re-blue looks somewhat amateurish. I missed out on a really nice Army & Navy 450 3 1/4 in better shape at a Julia Auction for $10,500 and a Lancaster sidelock .475 No. 2 with all tools and case (original)at a Julia's auction for $27,500. Just putting in perspective. | |||
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Not only the other very observant comments; but as well, how about the serial number on the action bar, looks like it was done over with a sharpened screwdriver or Dremel Tool.....NOT original Rigby by any stretch. Certainly not a restoration done by a reputable house in England or USA. And WTF is that excresence of a recoil pad? You never know though, maybe it will sell to someone that has more $$$ than brains. - Mike | |||
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The advertizement say made in 1930 with serie# 18157. My Rigby with serie# 17065 is from 1903 which suggest Rigby made/imported only aprox 40guns per year from 1903 to 1930. I don`t think so. I think this gun a a pre-war period rifle and not a inter-war production. DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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1930 is likely about right; I had Rigby #17888 some years ago and that one was from 1920. A Rigby .470 #17828 is lettered from Rigby as 1919 Compendium of select maker serial number ranges: http://www.doublegunshop.com/dgsnos4.htm | |||
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Yes I didn’t think it looked right either. Looks too new for a 90 yr old rifle. I suppose one might pay a bit of a premium for a double in .470 but that is just ridiculous. Looks like only the barrel and maybe the forends is original. | |||
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I hadn’t noticed how bad the serial number looked on the bar before. Just shows, you have to do your due diligence before purchasing. | |||
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I was offered a Holland Paradox that was touted to be a one family owned gun. However, the "reputable" dealer from England showed me pictures of a hammer gun that looked like it had been run over by a train. I finally received pictures of the barrel flats, after repeated requests, wherein someone took a dremel tool and wrote, in script, "PARADOX". He only wanted twenty thousand English Pounds for this gem. I never replied. If I fell off the turnip truck it wasn't yesterday. | |||
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That Rigby looks like a "regret" sale. The person who did it up must have spent around 10k on stock, color case & bluing alone. Not sure if it needed any other work. This rifle does not create the instant heart flutters that a really nice English double does as soon as you look at the pictures  "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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What would be the initials of the reputable English dealer? | |||
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I wouldn’t assume the engraved Rigby Name on the action isn’t original. I just picked up a 350 with the same style lettering.  | |||
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Thanks for sharing, interesting to know. Only the second one I think I’ve ever seen with the name like that, including the one in the link. Beautiful rifle love that plain action, working rifle. That pin in the head of the stock, is that to stop cracking? Seen it on a few Rigby boxlocks. The fences on said 470 look very different to other Rigby boxlocks. Cheers | |||
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It's a Rigby Class C double. They were made by Webley for Rigby and that is a long-bar Webley PHV-1 action. I have seen others that looked similar, although a lot about the rifle screams after-market. The stock certainly looks either heavily worked on or a replacement. | |||
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The pin in the stock is normally to act as a clamp to hold a vertical crack together. I too have seen a number of Rigby boxlocks with the pin. Probably more than on other makes which makes me wonder if it could have been a preemptive strengthening measure rather than a repair. In fact, it seems like they appear on 350s more than even 450s and 470s which is just the opposite of what one would expect. | |||
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