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08 April 2009, 04:42
new_guy
Case Colors?
Well, what do you think?




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08 April 2009, 05:16
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I think I like it better than engraving. thumb
08 April 2009, 05:20
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<thud> {faints} <thud>

WOW!!


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08 April 2009, 05:23
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I like it!!!!!!


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08 April 2009, 06:13
Spring
That looks good! I, too, am a big fan of case colors:



08 April 2009, 06:17
Hog Killer
Chris, I'm looking foreward to seeing it finished. 450-400?? very nice. Lots of style.

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08 April 2009, 06:19
zimbabwe
Who did it and would they do a No1?


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08 April 2009, 06:24
new_guy
Schilling in Suhl did these. They do the CC on most of the Continental guns. Given the logistics, Turnbull would be a much easier choice for a #1.


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08 April 2009, 07:16
big_bwana
From the deep coloring and vibrancy, I would have to assume that this is bone charcoal case hardening, not a chemical process, correct? Will this become an option on Heym doubles, and if so, at what upcharge?
08 April 2009, 07:35
lavaca
I definitely like it better than white. And I like it better than all but the best engraving. what's the cost? Got to be less than the engraving that I mentioned.
08 April 2009, 09:25
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WOW..... shocker


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08 April 2009, 10:32
zimbabwe
Those are some of the most vivid and beautiful colors I have seen on an action. They are extremely uniform in the pattern and color and are definitely above ordinary case color.


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08 April 2009, 10:36
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It's too bad that those wonderful colors fade out with use.


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08 April 2009, 12:34
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Beautiful!


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08 April 2009, 18:16
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Looks good Chris......Is this the same outfit that will be doing the case coloring on my 577?

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08 April 2009, 20:51
JPK
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
<thud> {faints} <thud>

WOW!!


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08 April 2009, 22:48
new_guy
quote:
Originally posted by McKay:
Looks good Chris......Is this the same outfit that will be doing the case coloring on my 577?

Mac


Yes, it is.


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08 April 2009, 22:59
Gatogordo
quote:
Originally posted by zimbabwe:
Those are some of the most vivid and beautiful colors I have seen on an action. They are extremely uniform in the pattern and color and are definitely above ordinary case color.


There is a related thread in the gunsmithing forum.....here......that has a link to a long (19 page) thread on this.....along about p 15 or 16 there are the names of a couple of gunsmiths who do it. Others are Classic gunsmithing and Doug Turnbull.


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09 April 2009, 00:10
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Chris, That looks very good. I like it.


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09 April 2009, 01:13
Equinsu Ocha
That is a BEAUTIFUL job done!!
09 April 2009, 22:45
new_guy
I hoped everyone would like that. Yes, they are available as an option on any HEYM. Cost for the colors is $1000.00 extra.


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09 April 2009, 22:51
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And well worth it.


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09 April 2009, 23:24
Dutch44
Faded colors possess their own beauty.



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10 April 2009, 07:40
MichiganShooter
Those are simply extraordinary.

Has anybody run into the idea of using wear-resistant lacquer to protect case colors?

Is this at all common?
10 April 2009, 19:24
JPK
quote:
Originally posted by MichiganShooter:
Those are simply extraordinary.

Has anybody run into the idea of using wear-resistant lacquer to protect case colors?

Is this at all common?


This is what the Brits did. It provides only temporary protection and isdoes not wear well.

Bluing, or blacking as the Brits would put it, also wears and fades with use. Better to allow case colors and bluing to show honest wear, imo.

Refinish later, if required.

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11 April 2009, 03:19
Hog Killer
quote:
Originally posted by MichiganShooter:
Those are simply extraordinary.

Has anybody run into the idea of using wear-resistant lacquer to protect case colors?

Is this at all common?


More than likely, the case colors will out last your KIDS. I have had many SxS shotguns that were CC and still have traces of color at nearly 100 years later.

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12 April 2009, 08:18
GarBy
THAT is some of the prettiest CC'ing I've seen in some time...and that includes some very high end shotguns.

Nice stuff Chris....well worth the $$ being asked.

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14 April 2009, 04:18
new_guy
Thanks Gary. Schilling does some great work. I thought you might want those on your 7x65R Wink


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14 April 2009, 07:36
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Are you always able to spot a gun 'ho when you see one? Big Grin
Did you ever get yours in?...as I recall you had one coming for yourself in either 8 or 7x.

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16 April 2009, 11:05
Russ Gould
It's pretty much SOP to lacquer the action to protect the colors, and the lacquer can be renewed every 2 to 5 years depending on the amount of use the gun gets. If you don't apply lacquer, the colors can wear and fade fairly fast with any kind of use (and exposure to UV).

What is not standard is the type of lacquer/varnish. Some use Tru-Oil, some spray-on. The be-all and end-all is clear Cerakote. Hard as nails and last much longer than lacquers. Unfortunately, it can't be removed with solvent so you can't redo it without recoloring the action.


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16 April 2009, 11:10
Russ Gould
It's pretty much SOP to lacquer the action to protect the colors, and the lacquer can be renewed every 2 to 5 years depending on the amount of use the gun gets. If you don't apply lacquer, the colors can wear and fade fairly fast with any kind of use (and exposure to UV).

What is not standard is the type of lacquer/varnish. Some use Tru-Oil, some spray-on. The be-all and end-all is clear Cerakote. Hard as nails and last much longer than lacquers. Unfortunately, it can't be removed with solvent so you can't redo it without recoloring the action.

As for these colors, they are rather unusual in the coloration (amount of blue) as well as the color contours. It's also rather tricky to retain gold inlay with the bone charcoal process, even if the temp is kept below the melting point of gold; and extremely tricky to do gold inlay after coloring. So my guess is this is some kind of lower temp chemical process.


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16 April 2009, 20:18
new_guy
Russ - there are two types of case colors being done today.

First, is the traditional "bone & charcoal" method. Within this field of expertise, you'll find three leaders.

In the US, there’s Turnbull.


In the UK, there’s St.Ledger


In Europe, there’s Schilling


Each undoubtedly has their secret recipe to produce unique colors, but all use the same “bone & charcoal” process, and all seem to be able to work with gold inlays quite well. The melting point of gold is above that of the heating process before quenching.

You’ll see St. Ledger’s colors on most of the guns made in the UK.

On those better guns made in Europe, you’ll find Schilling’s case colors.

They cyanide or chemical colors are very different than the "bone & charcoal" colors above.

Those done with cyanide have a “tiger-stripe” look to them and are easily distinguishable from the “bone and charcoal” colors.




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