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Is this a Charles Osborne made rifle?
02 June 2011, 14:05
NakihunterIs this a Charles Osborne made rifle?
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14151I have see these photos on an Indian website. It is in a provincial town which make the logistics of seeing, inspecting, buying and importing a real nightmare!
I thought it looked like an Osborne rifle retailed by Moore & Clarke. I would like to know people views on this rifle. Is it worth the trouble?
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I can't get any of the photos to open.
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02 June 2011, 16:06
enfieldsparesIt appears to be off the face AND the metal to wood fit is not as it would have been when made.
That may suggest that either the head of the stock has spread or that the wood has become oil soaked.
It is also a very cheap boxlock in that the hinge pin looks as if it is non-removable. Thus repair would have to be done by re-welding the lump.
Is it worth it? How much does the price, including shipping etc, translate too?
I've seen guns photographed that in the hand are better than the picture. But I've seen a lot more that in the hand are a lot worse than the picture.
If you can't see it I think it is too great a gamble.
William Moore and Grey were, nevertheless in the forty or so years they operated, a company with a good name.
Naki
Why do you say Osborne made action ?
Could it possibly be Belgium made ?
Agree re oil soaked stock that has dried.
What are they asking for it ?
Are you sure it can be got out of India without to much graft being paid ?
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02 June 2011, 22:09
465H&HThat ammo sure doesn't look like 450/400 Nitro.
465H&H
02 June 2011, 22:40
Cane Ratquote:
Originally posted by enfieldspares:
It appears to be off the face
It certainly does.
03 June 2011, 01:58
BigFiveJackI would bet it's by Osborne; it looks SO much like mine!
Jack
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Yes, I agree re it looks like it, but did Osborne make it or did Osborne just put a name to it ?
It also looks like a couple of other guns I've seen - Lawn and Alder being one of them.
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03 June 2011, 04:30
NakihunterJust found this as well
http://books.google.co.nz/book...20%26%20Grey&f=falseIIRC Osborne was the gun maker who made those distinctive bolsters on the sides. Like Webley, Turner and others, Osborne supplied other retailers. William Moore was a stock maker for Mantons the London makers and then he left along with Grey who was a clerk or manager, to set up shop. Lawn & Alder were also a retailer like Rhoda etc.
To answer the questions, the owner says that the white line in the photo is a light reflection (I wondered if it was off face as well). Oil soaked wood is the norm almost among Indian guns. Guns rust so quickly there in the high temp & humidity. He wants about US$ 9k for it. But after all the hassles of arranging an export and possible restocking, re-blackening etc. is it worth it?
I have email contact with the owner and have asked for pictures of the action flats, face and the side view of the bites / hooks. If it has been peaned, it will show in those profiles.
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quote:
Originally posted by Nakihunter:
the owner says that the white line in the photo is a light reflection
Yes, it is a light reflection, from the background that can be seen through the gap.
Jesus, I've heard some tall one's before but that really takes the cake.
Buyer beware is all I can say.
03 June 2011, 04:52
DoubleDonquote:
Originally posted by 500N:
quote:
Originally posted by Nakihunter:
the owner says that the white line in the photo is a light reflection
Yes, it is a light reflection, from the background that can be seen through the gap.
Jesus, I've heard some tall one's before but that really takes the cake.
Buyer beware is all I can say.
Agree 100%! Hell, Steevie Wonder could see the gap! Are your eyes broken?
Deo Vindice,
Don
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LOL
That is good.
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03 June 2011, 06:30
cal pappasGents:
For what it is worth....
My opinion is not to buy anything from India. I have been approached by over a dozen folks from there with photos of everything from Paradoxes up to 4-bores, shotguns, nitro express (including a .600), and black powder express. All have been poor quality and over-used arms, and all (of course) want funds wired to their account and the rifle(s) will be mailed. Be warned......
Cal
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04 June 2011, 17:54
BigFiveJackquote:
Originally posted by 500N:
Yes, I agree re it looks like it, but did Osborne make it or did Osborne just put a name to it ?
It also looks like a couple of other guns I've seen - Lawn and Alder being one of them.
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Retailer Lawn & Alder commissioned mine from Osborne
according to G. Caswell at Champlin Arms. Mine shows
the Lawn & Alder markings on the barrels.
Jack
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05 June 2011, 08:24
MacD37IMO, that rifle is a dog!
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05 June 2011, 22:37
BigFiveJackquote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
IMO, that rifle is a dog!
I am sure you're not referring to mine Mac.
Jack
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