This is an interesting development. Maybe it has been posted and I just didn't see it:

http://www.italianfirearmsgroup.com/about-ifg/

Hmmmmmmm.........


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JTEX, are you close to Amarillo? Be interesting to hear from someone associated with the new office and warehouse there.

Bill,
I agree, this merger is something to watch.

BTW, Crosby is in the Houston area and Barksdale in the hill country. Neither is close to Amarillo up in the Panhandle.

Looks promising for all you Sabitti admirers as I see they offer a double in 375 Flanged.

Charles, I just hope they didn't build their new warehouse downwind of the Pantex plant. Place creeps me out ...

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
JTEX, are you close to Amarillo? Be interesting to hear from someone associated with the new office and warehouse there.

No, Bill, I'm at the other end of the state.... I would love one that would shoot in .450 or .450-.400 though!


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Link

http://www.italianfirearmsgrou.../classic-safari-edl/

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Charles, I just hope they didn't build their new warehouse downwind of the Pantex plant. Place creeps me out ...

The Pantex plant was a good ground reference when flying approaches to Amarillo airport when I was a T-38 Instructor Pilot out of Reese AFB. We would get in trouble if we actually flew over it.


I hope Sabatti comes back. I got one of the good ones, capable of going to Africa with factory ammo out of the box. The shots cross at 50 yds, so I will probably have it re-regulated so they don't cross until 100. This is not necessary, just evidence I am a fussy with rifle accuracy. With the re-regulation, I will still have under $5k in the rifle.

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I hope Sabatti comes back. I got one of the good ones, capable of going to Africa with factory ammo out of the box. The shots cross at 50 yds, so I will probably have it re-regulated so they don't cross until 100. This is not necessary, just evidence I am a fussy with rifle accuracy. With the re-regulation, I will still have under $5k in the rifle.

Sounds like a great excuse to finally get into reloading

It will be interesting to see their pricing.

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Originally posted by INTJ:

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Charles, I just hope they didn't build their new warehouse downwind of the Pantex plant. Place creeps me out ...

The Pantex plant was a good ground reference when flying approaches to Amarillo airport when I was a T-38 Instructor Pilot out of Reese AFB. We would get in trouble if we actually flew over it.


I hope Sabatti comes back. I got one of the good ones, capable of going to Africa with factory ammo out of the box. The shots cross at 50 yds, so I will probably have it re-regulated so they don't cross until 100. This is not necessary, just evidence I am a fussy with rifle accuracy. With the re-regulation, I will still have under $5k in the rifle.

If the rifle suits you, and you want to re-regulate it that is fine but let me offer one little piece of information. The rifle may be fine as is, and can be made to shoot properly without re-regulating. If the rifle is crossing at any range then the ammo is simply too fast! slow it down some till the rifle shoots side by side. A double rifle is not supposed to cross all shots at any range, but shoot the CENTERS of each barrel's individual four shot group parallel to infinity.

You really need to hand load for your double to get the best it can offer!

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Have tried several bullets and a couple powders. Anything other that 500 grain Hornady RNs (not DGX) at 1900 fps or less cross at 50 yds. That is too slow for me....

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Originally posted by INTJ:
Have tried several bullets and a couple powders. Anything other that 500 grain Hornady RNs (not DGX) at 1900 fps or less cross at 50 yds. The higher the velocity the more they cross, which is what others here have told me to expect. The say you reduce velocity to reduce crossing. That seems to track with I am seeing.

You are correct! If you re-read my post above you will see I edited it to read the reverse of my brain fart getting that backwards!

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LOL!! I thought you and it backwards but after I posted I saw you had edites yours so I edited mine to reflect your edit.....

Bottom line, though the rifle is useable as is, I would gain a lot more flexibility by having it reregulated. I might want to shoot 350 grainers at 2250 fps for elk, hogs, deer or black bear. That way I can get well used to the rifle before making an African hunt. I REALLY like the idea of the group centers of the barrels never crossing.

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Originally posted by INTJ:
LOL!! I thought you and it backwards but after I posted I saw you had edites yours so I edited mine to reflect your edit.....

Bottom line, though the rifle is useable as is, I would gain a lot more flexibility by having it reregulated. I might want to shoot 350 grainers at 2250 fps for elk, hogs, deer or black bear. That way I can get well used to the rifle before making an African hunt. I REALLY like the idea of the group centers of the barrels never crossing.

INTJ, I assume your rifle is a 470NE and if it is it is supposed to shoot 500gr bullets. If it is a 450NE, it is supposed to shoot 480 gr bullets.

A double rifle is, for all practical purposes, is a one bullet weight, at a given velocity rifle. The only true use for a lighter bullet is utilizing the 75% rule for a lighter bullet meaning a full load, but substituting a bullet as close to 75% 0f the weight of the normal bullet for the cartridge chambered in the rifle.

The double rifle cannot be used with a number of different weight bullets, or different velocities, and still be expected to regulate properly. If the versatility is what you desire then a single barreled bolt rifle is the ticket!

....................Good luck, I think you will need it if you need to shoot several different bullet weights at different velocities!

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It is a 450 and I have seen a preference for velocity regardless of weight. A 350 grainer at 2150 would be a great elk/deer load, and the classic velocity is a 480 at 2150. That may have been out of 26" barrels, but the expansion ratio of the 450 is so good I'm not sure if my 24" barrels will give anything up velocity wise. I'll eventually get it sorted out to my liking.

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Originally posted by INTJ:
It is a 450 and I have seen a preference for velocity regardless of weight. A 350 grainer at 2150 would be a great elk/deer load, and the classic velocity is a 480 at 2150. That may have been out of 26" barrels, but the expansion ration of the 450 is so good I'm not sure if my 24" barrels will give anything up velocity wise. I'll eventually get it sorted out to my liking.

Most double rifles made today are with 24 inch barrels unless orders with longer barrels! The powders used today are far more efecient than the old cordite, or even some of the powders like the old stand by 3031 which was used in most of the 450 cal Nitro cartridges used in double rifles years ago.

The 350 gr bullet in a 450NE is just about the proper bullet for the 75% rule with a full powder load. with just a little tweaking up or down to get the best regulation.

In any case good luck, and welcome to the DRSS! Keep us in the loop- as your experiment moves along!

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Charles, I just hope they didn't build their new warehouse downwind of the Pantex plant. Place creeps me out ...

Way off topic, my mom and dad worked there during the 60's. It may be why I turned out the way I did. My mom supposedly was in an area that was not radioactive but you never know... I still glow in the dark LOL

I emailed IFG and the reply on price was $3860-$4358 on the Safari Classic depending on triggers and ejectors/extractors.

The model 92 Classic is $2760-$3259.

I'm debating on trying to get a 375 FL or 9.3x74.

Hope this helps.

Tyler

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Originally posted by touchdown88:
I emailed IFG and the reply on price was $3860-$4358 on the Safari Classic depending on triggers and ejectors/extractors.

The model 92 Classic is $2760-$3259.

I'm debating on trying to get a 375 FL or 9.3x74.

Hope this helps.

Tyler

That price is nearly 1K less for the big bore model than Cabelas was selling them for. Assuming the regulation issue is now properly addressed, these may continue to be a great entry level rifle for folks. Interesting that .450NE was not on the list of available calibers. Also saw that they have traded out the brass front bead for fiber optic like on the smaller models. It will be interesting to see how this goes.

When Cabelas was importing Sabatti rifles the import cost was $1000 less than street price but Cabelas had an exclusive with the importer, USSG. Now that IFG is the importer, someone might be able to pick a Sabatti up cheaper than they could when Cabelas was selling them.