I did a search and was not able to find where anyone has talked about a Sabatti actually holding up "under fire". Has anyone fired 250 or more rounds through one? Hunting loads or reduced loads or a combination of the two and if so how is the gun holding up and accuracy?

Thanks in Advance.

I have about 200 through mine so far. All range time with hunting loads - either DGS or DGX - factory and reloads. No issues and POI is still holding steady

Ask srose. He should have clocked up a few on his 500NE with all the CEB bullet tests with michael458.

I put well over three hundred rounds through mine with no problems. Also one of our members posted an extensive report on how well they were constructed and that claim was supported by a couple of knowledgeable DR gunsmiths. Do a search.

My 500 has had more than 400 rounds thru it. Most have been in the right barrel. So far it is holding up fine and still tight. I doubt many people would ever put that many rounds thru one normally.

Sam

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Originally posted by jorge:
I put well over three hundred rounds through mine with no problems. Also one of our members posted an extensive report on how well they were constructed and that claim was supported by a couple of knowledgeable DR gunsmiths. Do a search.

Jorge, I think you got a better rifle with the VC, but the Sabatti you had was regulated well, and likely would have served you well in the long run, especially considering the price diferential, I was actually surprised when you returned it. As far as the retained monetary value of any Sabatti goes, the re-sale value will certainly suffer.

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Originally posted by srose:
My 500 has had more than 400 rounds thru it. Most have been in the right barrel. So far it is holding up fine and still tight. I doubt many people would ever put that many rounds thru one normally.

Sam

Srose let me ask one question! Why have most of the 400 rounds through your Sabatti been through the right barrel? Is it because you were hunting with it and one shot was all that was needed or is it because the rifle doesn’t regulate properly?
If it is because you were testing loads and using the same barrel to avoid a difference in the way the load worked that would make sense.

The biggest reason the Sabattis received so much bad press is because a large number of them simply did not shoot well. A large enough number that it was evident Sabatti had some real problems with quality control. A double rifle that will stay together for thousands rounds but will not regulate is not worth owning! Some like Jorge who happened to get rifles that shot well were simply lucky. I almost bought one at the DSC show but decided to do a wait and see tack on the Sabatti! As it turned out I’m very glad I did!


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I never shoot just one barrel from any of the DRs I own; I always shoot both barrels. That keeps the wear constant, and doubles the fun at the range. I have almost 200 rounds through my 450 Sabatti, still very tight, and regulated perfectly. Remember, only a small number of Sabattis were actually proven to be made faulty, (referring to muzzle grinding for regulation, and that was not a quality issue in construction relating to soundness) the sampling represented here being a very small percentage of those produced. I know, none should have had issues...

Something tells me Tim is thinking about a new Sabatti 500 NE.....

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Something tells me Tim is thinking about a new Sabatti 500 NE.....

Dave if he gets one that shoots well, and is regulated properly it will be a bargain, if not he can always take it back if he buys it from Cabela's!
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MacD37,

The reason most of the rounds have been thru the right barrel is because that is the barrel the strain gages were hooked to. This gun was used for all the 500 NE New Exploration testa that Michael and I did. The gun shoots well with both barrels and with the right load regulates perfectly for me at 50 yards. The last group I shot was with the CEB BBW#13 non cons at 50 yards standing with my left hand resting on a camera tripod. 8 shots were in less than 1.5 inches which is better than most doubles I have shot new or old. No my gun does not have ground muzzle crowns. I picked it for that reason.

Sam

What should one do if there has been over 400 rounds fired through the rifle, it shoots 1 to 2 inch groups from day one and dear God the muzzel was touched a bit on the left barrel. Ground that is? Should one throw all their toys out of the pram, call Cabelas and scream that the sold this little gem with a ground barrel or should one continue laughing all the way to the Bank?? Then again perhaps Mr. Holder would like to purchase it and send it to Mexico in the latest program "Operation Brainless"?

About 250 hornady factory rounds through mine and still shoots like it did on day one. The aperature sight that SRose gave me only made it better. Its a keeper!
P.S. Thats it in the picture to the left, kinda says it all.

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Originally posted by srose:
MacD37,

The reason most of the rounds have been thru the right barrel is because that is the barrel the strain gages were hooked to. This gun was used for all the 500 NE New Exploration testa that Michael and I did. The gun shoots well with both barrels and with the right load regulates perfectly for me at 50 yards. The last group I shot was with the CEB BBW#13 non cons at 50 yards standing with my left hand resting on a camera tripod. 8 shots were in less than 1.5 inches which is better than most doubles I have shot new or old. No my gun does not have ground muzzle crowns. I picked it for that reason.

Sam

Good show Sam! Looks like you have a winner there!
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my Sabatti is close to 500, no issues.

Thanks guys for all of your help/information. I was at Cabelas the other day and looked at the "new" Sabatti and I guess the extra $500.00 is inflation and cost for the new regulation???

I still have to admit that of all the doubles, 2-Searcy, 2-Merkel, 1-Calif.Rigby, 1-heym, the Sabatti still fits me and feels the best of all.

Please feel free to add any "thoughts" you have about purchasing a "new" vs. "old" Sabatti.

Thanks Again.

That is because it is a better gun!

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the Sabatti still fits me and feels the best of all.

That is one very important detail. The Sabatti opened the doors to doubles for me because of the pricing but I can honestly say that had it not "fit" me the way it did, I wouldn't have bought it. With buying the "old" Sabatti - I assume you are talking about finding a used one. If that's the case, you're more than likely to get someone else's problem- hence why they are getting rid of it in the first place. Cabela's has been holding to returns from what I hear. Scrutinize that new one over at Cabela's and buy it there. The return policy is pretty good should it not be to your liking.

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Originally posted by GOB:
That is because it is a better gun!

Sabatti better than the Heym?

Look, I have a Merkel and think very highly of it. But a few months ago here on AR, there was a suggestion that the Merkel was as good as the Heym. I thought that comparison was quite funny. But to say the Sabatti is better than a Heym? Well ..... LMFAOROTFF!!!! What a joke!!

I've got nothing against Sabatti. I still may purchase one if I can find one that hasn't been ground on. But a Heym it ain't. Hell, for that matter, a Merkel it ain't!

Faaaaaaaar better than any of the German trash. If you cannot afford English then go for second best, anything the Italian make. Hell even the Biakal is better than 90% of the German trash. Now this should bring out the little boys with their pretty little flashy toys. that wink and blink and nod. Hopefully the oxygen is nearby Mabel?

Let me clarify something, by new and old I was referring to the original regulation and the supposedly correct regulation now as old and new respectively.

I think the Sabatti, I've looked at about two dozen of them over the last few years, and they seem, to me, to be a good gun for the money. Any yes they may not be the same quality as other more expensive guns.

However, I did own a new Heym 500 5 years ago and it was the biggest piece of shit of all the doubles I have owned! So you can't just say that every Heym is better than everything else less expensive. Generally speaking that may be correct but every gun is an individual.

I still hold to my observation that the Sabatti, although maybe not the quality of a $20,000 gun-generally-is still a lot of gun for the $$$'s. And before you ask, no I have not fired a single round through one but have fired several hundred through the others I've owned and listed earlier.

I appreciate your comments and conversations guys.

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Originally posted by GOB:
Faaaaaaaar better than any of the German trash. If you cannot afford English then go for second best, anything the Italian make. Hell even the Biakal is better than 90% of the German trash. Now this should bring out the little boys with their pretty little flashy toys. that wink and blink and nod. Hopefully the oxygen is nearby Mabel?

And just what do you base this revelation on?

The voices in your head?

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Originally posted by GOB:
Faaaaaaaar better than any of the German trash. If you cannot afford English then go for second best, anything the Italian make. Hell even the Biakal is better than 90% of the German trash. Now this should bring out the little boys with their pretty little flashy toys. that wink and blink and nod. Hopefully the oxygen is nearby Mabel?

Are you related to Shootaway by any chance?

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Originally posted by GOB:
Faaaaaaaar better than any of the German trash

Sabatti better than a Krieghoff?

Rounds fired : 369. Of the 369, 217 were full loads and 152 were practice loads. Used on two elephant. Gun fits me perfectly. As tight as the day I got it. No grind at muzzles and properly regulated. Have shot eight shot group at 100 yards that will fit into a box 2.5" x 3 ". A lot of gun for the money.

Forgot to add that it ios a 450 NE.

A guy just about gives up on Sabattis and then you fellas chime in. Sheesh!

By the way, Clayman, much as I would love a double in .450-400, the .450 NE in the Sabatti is the liveliest in my hands.

Kreighoff is something James Carvell would expect to find while dragging a $2.00 bill through a trailer park. You have such a pretty little flag pole s great American obviously. Little boys with their little toys, so cute.

and they go away clearly it is someone who has no knowledge of rifles . Just remember computers tend to make many arm chair taylors into "experts"

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Originally posted by Express_Rifles:
and they go away clearly it is someone who has no knowledge of rifles . Just remember computers tend to make many arm chair taylors into "experts"

I should have known better.

Very interesting comments; since I have both a Krieg 450-400 and a Sabatti .450 NE, I will have to think about this one. Bearing in mind that the K cost exactly twice what the Sab did. Merkels cost 1.75 times more. And Heyms cost 3 times more; do we grade giving weight to cost? Cost vs benefit ratio? Just thinking out loud here.

Aw gee old boys who know nothing but to shoot little tiny cannon balls and fly their tiny flags. it is so much fun to watch children throw theit toys out of their little pram buecause they think it is so sad when someone purchases a better product at 1/8 the price and it looks bettr, functions better and is made of better materials. So sad, go put on a happy face, pack your old kit bag and head off to the Fatherland and search in Bertches Garden for the real meaning of life. When you could simply go to Gardone and have the real meaning of life at a fraction fof the price. Bang, Bang children.

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Originally posted by GOB:
Aw gee old boys who know nothing but to shoot little tiny cannon balls and fly their tiny flags. it is so much fun to watch children throw theit toys out of their little pram buecause they think it is so sad when someone purchases a better product at 1/8 the price and it looks bettr, functions better and is made of better materials. So sad, go put on a happy face, pack your old kit bag and head off to the Fatherland and search in Bertches Garden for the real meaning of life. When you could simply go to Gardone and have the real meaning of life at a fraction fof the price. Bang, Bang children.

BIG WIND COME FROM EMPTY CAVE!

Now you little girley boys who love your bouncy toys, will one day grow up, discover real girls and not have to play with each other any more and you may, just may be able to afford a real gun like the reat Sabatti. I am off to Africa with my Sabatti and shall miss winding you children up. Ta Ta

dcpd:
Did you handle all the Sabatti calibers and choose the .450 based on handling and balance, or did you set out to buy a .450 NE in the first place?
Just curious. It is a grand old caliber.

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Originally posted by GOB:
Aw gee old boys who know nothing but to shoot little tiny cannon balls and fly their tiny flags. it is so much fun to watch children throw theit toys out of their little pram buecause they think it is so sad when someone purchases a better product at 1/8 the price and it looks bettr, functions better and is made of better materials. So sad, go put on a happy face, pack your old kit bag and head off to the Fatherland and search in Bertches Garden for the real meaning of life. When you could simply go to Gardone and have the real meaning of life at a fraction fof the price. Bang, Bang children.

I did handle all the Sabatti calibers, but already knew I wanted a .450 for the simple reason that I already had a set of 450 NE dies from an Alex Henry I had, and lots of brass, and .458 bullets are easier to get. Not much difference in the .470 as to feel, but the 500 was a tad light for my taste in shooting, although for carrying and shooting in the field it is a nice weight. I added a 16 oz mercury brake as well. For extended shooting; get the 450-400. They don't kick at all. Hardly.

Ok, here's the deal...I purchased the Sabatti from the Wheeling, WV store $5,499.00, they called it a new gun but were solid on the price. Wood like I have never seen on any Sabatti and an exact 10 pounds.

Shot it last weekend with Dave Bush and a couple of other guys. We were amazed at how the gun had very little muzzle rise and pushed straight back. A bit muzzle heavy just like I prefer and the Hornady softs shot perfectly!

Seems like a lot of gun for the money. I had mentioned earlier in this thread what doubles I've had and I'm perfectly happy and have paid a LOT MORE for MUCH LESS rifle in the past. The guy in Wheeling said he was told they are regulating with lasers, (don't know if that's correct but this target had only two shots about 3" high and slightly off center about 1 1/4" apart. Good to go for me!

Thanks to all of you for your assistance and constructive input.

Best Regards,

What caliber did you get? 500?

Although I believe TRUE STOPPING rifles start at 500 cal. and am a real fan of the 500 3" and have owned two doubles...I purchased a 470 Nitro.

I had a lower back fusion a couple years ago and the extra recoil of the 500 was more than I wanted to take a chance on and the 470 certainly has no issues. I've enjoyed the 470's I've owned and the wood on this gun helped me make the decision to go with the 470 when I was on the fence over caliber.

Very, Very happy with caliber chioce and the rifle in general after shooting it this last weekend. I'd say it has the best ejectors of any double I have owned and fits me better then guns I was measured for.

As I said, it's a lot of gun for the money.