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As some of you all know I have a new, unground muzzles, EJ sabatti 92 in 470 nitro on layaway at cabelas here in Maine. I called and spoke to the gun room manager the other day and he said that if the rifle doesn't regulate, I'm on my own since they are phasing them out of inventory. Ummm...? What do you guys think? Should I just get another bolt gun or risk the possibility of not getting a rifle that will shoot and being stuck with it and have no warranty? | ||
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Sean I wouldn't touch that situation with a ten foot pole. Save your sheckles and buy a Chapuis would be my recommendation. | |||
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I bought mine a couple months ago at the grandville MI store it was listed for $3800. I paid $3200. Back then they were still offering the 1yr factory warranty and the 30 day return. I don't like the US importer that does the warranty work. That said I bought the rifle with the intention that if it didn't shoot I would get it fixed on my own for around $1000. I still would have a good shooting double for $4200. Thankfully mine shoots well and I don't have to spend the money. I would press Cabelas on the return policy some more. Also if it is a high ser # I wouldn't be too worried. Mine is #690 Full time professional trapper | |||
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Surestrike, yeah, it kinda freaked me out. I thought I could return it. Guess not. Not at all. I get what I get and no support. | |||
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Gunsinternational.com has 6 Sabbatis that were regulated by Ken Owen for sale for $5500 ea Full time professional trapper | |||
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Tom, how did you get it for 3200? Also, I brought it up to them quite a bit the other day and they stated final sale. Mine has ejectors for 3799.00 before tax. I'm really glad you have a shooter... | |||
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I went in to buy a hat with my wife. We saw the rifle and got talking to the sales guy. My wife asked him if they were open to offers and he said yes. I did my shopping and came back and offered $3200 thinking they would counter at $3500. They took the low offer. So I got my hat and a rifle. Full time professional trapper | |||
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Walk away.. Spending that to find out it doesn't shoot like the supplied target means you're dropping a bit more money into it. Save a bit more and find a nice used double that's guarenteed or see if another Cabela's store that has one is willing to do something different. DRSS Sabatti 450\400 NE Merkel 140-2 500 NE | |||
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A store with a fluctuating return policy/warranty should be a tip off. Sabatti's can be hit or miss ( pun not intended) and Cabela's knows that and their policy reflects it as well. If you can identify one that shoots, it should be a good deal and a good value. It will probably not appreciate in price over the years and turn into an H&H or WR. That being said, you could take a step up and buy one (as suggested) that was regulated by someone who has experience and a good reputation. The other choice would be to step up from there and take a much smaller chance on a Chapuis or VC. Poll the board members and ask them what would be the cheapest and least risk for an entry level double rifle. Matt | |||
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Personally I would run away from Cabela's on that Sabatti deal. Bide your time and a good rifle will come on the market. Some very, very good deals have happened here on AR recently. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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BTW, it is good to see you doing your research. Don't be discouraged and never get in a rush when you are buying a double rifle. I have said it before, if it weren't for a board member here, I would have made some costly mistakes buying doubles. I had him look over a rifle I had on a 3 day inspection period and he objectively identified all of the short comings of a "deal" that was a steal. Once again, you get what you pay for. I was lucky and undid that deal ASAP. So, hats off to M Brooks for being a good guy and helping me out when I was new to the double game. Matt | |||
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I just received my Sabatti 9.3 yesterday from the Cabelas store in Hamburg, PA with the understanding I could check it out, shoot it and return it for a FULL refund if not totally satisfied. You obviously have a Cabelas that doesn't offer the same deal. I will shoot mine the next couple of days, have Hornady ammo and 20 various handloads to run through it. If it shoots well it's a keeper as it looks really nice and fit and function is good. If it doesn't shoot well, then it's getting shipped back next week. I have dealt with Cabelas for a long time and expect them to keep their word on this and have no reason not to think otherwise. Will let everyone know how the tests go and the final decision of keeping or shipping back. Larry Sellers | |||
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Sean, I know you're excited about getting your first double and all, but I'd strongly advise to walk away from this deal if Cabelas will not allow the rifle to be returned in the case of poor performance, or any other reason for that matter. Look at it this way, they have taken this "no return" policy simply because of the incredibly high rate of returned rifles to date. They have slashed the prices in order to just "get rid of them" and backed that up with the "no return" policy. IMO, the chances of getting stuck with a bad one simply outweigh the price. Even some of the "good ones" that were initially reported as being 100%, are now starting to have significant other issues not related to regulation. Case in point is the rifle that Sam Rose (SRose here on AR) owns. Contact him about his. He reported the rifle was good through and through, then later, as Sam does a lot of shooting, the barrels came apart. He's had a hell of a time finding someone to correct it, at least according to his last report here on AR. If you can afford it, I think you'll be much better served with a used Merkel, Chapuis, or even one of the Searcy Field grades if you can find one on the market somewhere. Add Kreighoff to that list as well. You should be able to get a good quality, used double in those names for around $7,000 with a bit of patience and looking. Just my 2 cents. | |||
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Todd's 2cents plus my 2 cents!............... RUN! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Would anyone here buy a car (new or used) if the dealer said, "If it does not start, you are on your own but you can get if fixed for $1000?" As everywhere, including the gun world, one gets what is paid for. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Thank you all for weighing in. I've canceled the layaway. I'm too scared to get stuck to be honest. I'll look into the other brands you've all mentioned. I'm buying my fiancé a 375HH today instead. Thanks guys and Todd, your post was spot on | |||
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I expect that you told Cabela's why you cancelled your layaway. What type of response did they give you? NRA Benefactor TSRA Life DRSS Brno ZP-149 45-120 NE | |||
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I don't care what Cabelas return policy is!!!! Just spent a couple of hours on my bench with the new Sabatti 9.3 X 74R and it is a real shooter so will be a keeper for sure. Shot 5 loads in addition to the Hornady factory loads, horizontal is perfect at 50 yds, elevation on the right barrel is about 2" low. The front trigger is stiffer than the rear and am sure this is producing the lower impact point. I have a gooooood triggerman so confident he can lighten and smooth that front trig to match the rear. The length of pull is long and the factory recoil pad kinda sucks, so my stockguy can shorten and install a good pad. With these two minor fixes should be good to go!! Can't wait to get this done and start some serious load development. Shooting this little girl was a real hoot. Cal, the "bell ringer" test was also passed with good results as well. Larry Sellers | |||
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With the Sabatti 45-70 I had, I wasn't happy after 8 shots (with the ammo they said it was regulated for). What came to mind was...if anything went wrong later, it seemed like NO ONE wanted to touch a Sabatti. I didn't want to get stuck with it so, after some slight resistance from Cabelas in Washington, I returned it and then took the plunge at a bit more than double the money for a Chapuis 9.3. I'm extremely happy knowing I can find great service if needed. SUPPORT OUR TROOPS !!!! | |||
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Eleeton, I cancelled it tonight and grabbed up a nice m70 safari express in 458 for me and an m70 375 HH for the missus for her birthday out of the layaway money. She loves it. Cabelas said "yeah, well, it's a final sale, so we understand". How do you like that? Congrats on the 9.3! This one might have been a great one but I don't make enough money to warrant the bs if something did go wrong. I'm on the hunt again.... | |||
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Sean, I understand the hesitation. I was told the same thing but got the feeling that if push came to shove they would take it back. With that being said I'm not regretting my purchase. Mine shoots fine and I truly believe that the problem guns were early production units. | |||
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I returned the 9.3 I had because shots crossed at 50 yards by 1", but made a nice tight group at 25 yards. The main reason were the chambers were cut way over size, you could look at a case and see it. To resize a fired case it needed a coat of STP to get it in a sizing die.  | |||
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Larry: Good to see you and chat in Dallas and your PM is received. Glad you have a no problem Sabatti. I will give them a page or so in my upcoming book in the chapter on what is available today in double rifles. Instead of a ring, if you hear a dull thud, that will show the barrel's solder is not solid and both rejoining and regulation would be in order. Cheers, see you next year at DSC, and if you'd like to join us in AK for a double rifle shoot in May, stay in touch. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Larry, So you rolled the dice and beat the odds. That is a good thing and I'm happy for you. But that doesn't excuse Cabelas from trying to rid themselves of these generally troublesome poor quality rifles at the expense of it's customers. Cabelas used to be a great company with excellent customer service. I've noticed that they are beginning to become just another big box mega retailer with a marked decline in customer service in the last 5 years. I truly am happy that you picked a white marble in a sea of black ones. The question I have for you however is who is going to fix it in 5 years when it starts coming apart? | |||
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SS - You mention WHEN it falls apart, like it is going to be a SURE thing after five years for certain. Just wondering what you know that makes this a for sure thing? If that is indeed the case, kinda doubt it, if it can't be readily fixed it will become a wallhanger I guess? With having only $1,800 invested, that's only $300 plus dollars a year will have gotten my monies worth in the meantime. As far as Cabelas goes, I could have returned this rifle if all was not to my COMPLETE satisfaction. Had it in writing as well as a verbal commitment from the Gun Library manager. My comment of "don't care about Cabelas return policy was simply made because I didn't need it. No rolling of the dice involved, it was a sure thing, either it was GOOD or it was RETURNED. I am making a note as of this date and will let you know on 1/23/2019 if the rifle falls apart as predicted. Time will tell I guess, but in the meanwhile will enjoy shooting this little gun to the max. Have a great day and thanks for your concern, I think? Larry Sellers
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Larry, I am GLAD that you got a good one. I am HAPPY that Cabelas will honor your return should it come to that. However Cabelas is obviously trying to DUMP the SABATTI line as they have had TONS of problems with them. They are trying to WASH their hands of a product with a LOUSY reputation. And the are doing so on the BACKS of their customers. I find that to be reprehensible. Whether they did you a solid or not the whole subject of dumping the Sabatti line and how they are doing it kind of stinks. I truly am happy that that yours seems to be a good one. No offense implied. | |||
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SS - No offense taken for sure. I think Cabelas had made the decision not to continue with the Sabatti line and I have no knowledge as to what the story and reasoning is and agree they might not be handling it to the best of their advantage for public opinion sake. Larry Sellers
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Larry, Really? | |||
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Hmmm ... sounds like Larry hasn't been paying attention to the Cabelas / Sabatti debacle very closely. | |||
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Larry Shouldn't cabelas apply the same return policy to ALL of its customers? And not just for you? | |||
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I asked the manager the other day once more before I pulled the layaway on the sabatti if he was sticking to his guns in the no return. He said, "yes, we are". I used to think that the customer was always right but.... This was something from cabelas corporate, not the manager at my local store. I will still shop there and bought two bolt guns there the other day. He's doing what he's told to do. But he also said that they are indeed dumping the line. I'm sad about that really. It could have been the best thing to happen to guys like me if all had been done right. | |||
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Larry doesn't pay much attention to a lot of debates going on here. All I know is I put a Sabatti 9.3 X 74R on layaway at Cabelas two months ago with the express guarantee that I could shoot the rifle and if not TOTALLY satisfied with it could return it for a full refund, period. I don't think this is any SPECIAL treatment for just me. It's the offer I made and what they accepted. Whether anybody else has been allowed or granted this guarantee is strictly between them and their Cabelas store I guess. I actually got a call from Cabelas two days ago asking if all was well with the rifle. Thought that was rather nice touch, so have no problems with their customer service to date. I received my rifle, it shoots very well, I am keeping it, end of story. No need for me to debate Cabelas current or past policies here as I have absolutely no control over what policies they choose to follow. I contacted the gent who called me and informed him, indeed all was well with the rifle. He thanked me and I thanked him. Sorry if others have had problems with Cabelas and Sabatti rifles. Here again I have no control over what Cabelas does or doesn't do and don't suppose anyone else does either. Thanks to those who have been helpful with my newbie questions in this endeavor and to those who haven't------oh well, have a great day anyway. Larry Sellers
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