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Guys, I was wondering, did the .500/.416 ever get any traction. I know that Kreighoff and Blaser chamber it and I was wondering if anyone else does or will now the the .450/450 is back. I think it is a great cartridge and probably superior to the .450/400? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | ||
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I've still got mine! I have no real desire to get a 450/400. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Most defiantly superior in ballistics but also in weight and recoil. If these two points are not an issue then its better than the 450/400, imo. | |||
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I just got mine I hope it is not dead yet! CZ .416 Rigby Win. 70 .375 H&H NRA life SCI and DSC Retired Air Force E-8 | |||
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Someone gave Ganyana one. He will be here shortly, I imagine, praising it's virtues.  As a 500/416 can always be downloaded to 450/400 ballistics, the 500/416 will always be more than any 450/400 could ever hope to be!  ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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500-416 a clever idea that went nowhere TOMO577 DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Had JOHN RIGBY released it the same day that he released the 416 Rigby Rimless NO ONE would know much about 450/400's today is my bet. That though, is NOT what happened... Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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I had one of the first Heym's chambered in the 500-416, it weighed 10.5 lbs and the recoil was the same as my 470 N.E. To top that off, they both weighed the same, and the components for the 500-416 were much more expensive and brass and ammo hard to find. NO BRAINER in my IMO! Why hunt with a lesser caliber that weighs the same as a larger caliber and has the same perceived recoil if your hunting dangerous game? I think that the 500-416 is a good caliber but I don't think it's a great caliber because of the above stated reasons. The 450-400 is a classic caliber that has less recoil and you can find them in the 10lb range. The 450-400 also has going for it available and affordable ammo. Sorry 500-416 guys, It's a great idea born at the wrong time. I believe over time the 500-416 will fade into the sunset. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Taylor says that he wished Rigby had come out with a double version similar to his 350.....that being said, yes, the 450/400 IS a quite classic caliber. The 500/416 IS interesting though....and loaded to a solid 2250 fps second in a 10.5# rifle would be nice....and still have plenty of zip. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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Garby Rigby did come out with a double version of the 350 - or am I misreading what you said ? | |||
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No worries,500....your misunderstanding is a result of my lousy explanation. I should have said that Taylor said in his book that he wished Rigby would come out with a "416 #2" similar to what he did with his 350 Magnum....which, of course, was his 350 #2......of course he was referring to a rimmed version of the 416. See what happens when I post late in the evening? I hope I explained it beeter this time. Cheers. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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Dirk: I am thinking that now that affordable doubles are being chambered for the .450/.400 that the .500/416 may indeed loose some traction. However, I don't think the guys that have them have to worry. Since the .500 NE has become so popular, I think there will always be a ready supply of brass for the .500/.416 or brass that can be necked down to that caliber. In addition, since Kreighoff put it out and Blaser has adopted it, I don't think they will let it become and orphan. Truth be told, I think the .470 NE has lost some traction as well now that so many companies are chambering the .500 NE. Guys that want something smaller are opting for the .450/.400 and guys that want something bigger are opting for the .500 NE don't you think? Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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As I recollect, the 500/416 should give ballistics similar to the 416 Rigby. That makes the 500/416 much more of a long range cartridge than the 470! Just for grins I mounted a scope on my K gun and am now shooting at 100 yards. Once I have a suitable load, I will see where they shoot at 200 yards. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Dave, You make a good point about the 500. That is one of the reasons I sold my 470 and have a 500 Heym that will arrive in the next few months. I believe that the 470 is presently losing some traction. Some in part (small percentage)to the 500 but with the 450N.E. being chambered by Heym, Searcy, Ruger, and Hornady making 450 N.E. ammo and brass,look out, because the 450 can do anything the 470 can do terminally on game. The other major player the infamous 450-400, so time will tell. If I add another double to my gun safe it will be a 450-400. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Peter, has a 450 N.E. and I know he's a happy camper. Of course along with his 500-416 and 9.3 what else do you have DR wise Peter? "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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As I recall, Taylor said he had no problem with DRs chambered for rimless cartridges as long as the extractor/ejector system was 100% reliable, which he said any top maker could do, and that he would like a bolt rifle and a DR both chambered for 416 Rigby. He specifcally mentioned the usefulness of using the same ammo. I'll go look this up but I only read Taylor for the first time last month and this is what I recall. Edited; Yes, Taylor mentioned 416 Rigby #2. Now I'm trying to find where he speaks of rimmless in DRs and a bolt & DR pair in the same (rimless?) chambering. Maybe it wasn't 416 but 375. Man, he does go on about the 375! And the 400!! 500/416 intrigued me but I never took the bite. It'll be a pair for me, 470 & 9.3R | |||
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On no, now the 450 NE is better than a 470? Ain't it wonderful to have so many more options nowadays when the whole Nitro Express industry was about belly up only a few short years ago. The 450 NE would be a winner in another manner if a manufacturer would that advantage of the skinny cartridge and make a lightweight (skinny barreled) double, but that ain't going to happen. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Will, The 450 could and would be better than the 470 IMO if it weighed in under 10lbs. But as you said, that ain't going to happen. NO PIGS carried in bush is my motto. Although, I don't consider a 10.5lb 500 N.E. a pig. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Might that just be the weight of your 500 NE? Personally, I'm sure the recoil would be more than I bargained for. I'm anxiously awaiting your field reports on the 500. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Norma are loading the .500/.416 in their African PH line from this very year. I do not think it is dead  | |||
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Husky...that's great news....thanks. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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For me the 416 kicked more than the 500. I think the 200 yard shot is a posibility on wounded game with the 416 and not as good with a 450 or 500 but then reading this stuff makes me wonder. I always thought it would be a great 1 gun safari rifle. Would a 416 be heavier than a 500 of say a Heym if the wood was equal in weight? | |||
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Dirk, the 500/416, and 450 x 3 1/4 are all I have in SxS. The Tikka has an O/U 9.3x74R, a 7x57R O/U and a 12 ga O/U. haven't used the 12 ga. yet! I am finding it very hard to justify anything else! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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All the chamberings mentioned are fine as frog fuzz, and all in a properly weighted, and ballanced double rifle will do the deed! The fact is, though, the 500/416K is a workable cartridge, it will never be as popular, or ammo as available as the older NE rounds in double rifles! As long as rifles chambered for this round are around, ammo will be fairly easy to make, from existing brass, and 416 bullets are plentiful. Like many of the Short magnums, and the Ultras, it will be there, but will always be second choice with most hunters, who seem to prefere, old stand-bys! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Well said Mac. I owned a 500/416 for a very short time before trading it in for a 470. I do think that is it is an excellent point that the 416 can be loaded to 450/400 levels, but I personally think that nostalgia really gives the 450/400 the upper hand over the 500/416 (416 rigby is a different story). I also think that the best thing that ever happened to the 450/400 was Taylor's book. I too believe that the 500/416 will stick around and never be as popular as it's utility should/could have made it. "Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand." 470 Heym; 9.3x74r Chapuis, Heym 450/400 on it's way | |||
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