Thanks to Randy first of all for casting me a bunch of 500 grain 470 bullets and helping me out all around. Thats what makes this site great. Randy had me work up a load of 43.5 gr of a5547 (I think?) and a filler. This load shot 2 inches at 50 yards and 4 inches at 100. This is about 2x what I want, but good enough expecially since I am freaking blind. MV is 1500 fps (ME=2500ft/lbs). This is with Jamison brass and a Merkle 470NE.