Hi

This gun has been on the gun shelf for a while now, in a store in Norway.

its a karl hauptman ferlarch cal 475 3 1/2 No 2 NE.

the price is 11 000 dollars.

what do think?

What do I think . . . I think it is good that I do not live in Norway or I would be $11,000 poorer!

I'm right behind you MJ...

it looks to be a bargain at that price - good thing I am gun poor right now!

I am with Jines on that one...

I want it! Might be a few Krones in it for you :-)

Especially if those are 26/28" barrels.

Yep, if it was on face and the bores at least good I would probably buy it if I saw it. For $11K it sounds good, especially in such a cool cartridge. Is it a boxlock with sideplates?

Paul, unless those pinheads in the sideplates are fakes, it looks like a true sidelock.

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Originally posted by jerry mcdonald:
Especially if those are 26/28" barrels.

Definitely looks like they are at least 26". I am not terribly keen on the oversized plastic trigger guard, but I could learn to overlook that for sure.

Beauty!

Not many plated box locks had the pins.
I will wager the trigger guard is horn, not plastic.
It's not English or Scottish but looks to be a nice rifle and at 11K very reasonably priced.
Cal

Good call on the horn versus plastic.

The gun is a sidelock, i havet sendt a e-mail to the gun store for Moore info, the gun har
Not been used much.

Hi fellas,

Do not want to steel the thread from Andreas, but in fact the price is USD 10.000,- with todays exchange rate NOK v USD. The dealer just announced it for NOK 65.000,- and I think it is a great possibility to lower that price somewhat. The rifle has been for sale for more than 2 years and no one wants to buy it. The rifle has been owned by a Norwegian hunter that have hunted the Big 5 but did not want the rifle for some reason.

Mike, the trigger guard is not plastic - it is steel as far as I could feel ! I have had this rifle in my hands as I visited the dealer before ordering a new Verney Carron 450 NE


Morten

So Morten, for $10,000, maybe less, what is the issue with the rifle that keeps it from selling?

I would say that even though it's from Ferlach, it's a relatively unknown maker and a very scarce caliber. Aesthethically, it's a typical germanic (puke) style, but I would buy it in a second. jorge

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Originally posted by MJines:
So Morten, for $10,000, maybe less, what is the issue with the rifle that keeps it from selling?

Mike, honestly I do not know, but the market for such rifles is at a minimum here in Norway. 99,99% of Norwegian hunters hunt with bolt action rifles and there is no double rifle society in Norway as far as I have been able to find out. It is like Jorge says; it is a unknown maker for most hunters and the ammo is also hard to get. I think it is just Kynoch making them even though it should not be any problem reloading this caliber.

In general double rifles are seldom used for big game hunting in Norway and that caliber is certainly not common. You will find some Merkel and Krieghoff doubles and almost 99% of them are 470 NE bought to be used on that once in a life time safari in Africa and then sold - if they can find a buyer.

Morten

Morten,

Seriously, ask them if they would consider exporting the rifle to the US. At $10,000 for a sidelock double in .475 #2, assuming the rifle is mechanically sound and the bores are good, that is a very good price.

Funny looking trigger guard.I wonder if that is original?

Not that uncommon on German guns, particularly shotguns. As I recall horn trigger guards and horn butt plates were generally regarded as one of the hallmarks of better quality weapons. I think Galazan's still sells replace horn trigger guards.

Isn't AR nice....I learn something everyday!

Hehe would by it if i could, but i havet reached the limit of Guns
I am allowed to own. but im afraid it would Just sitt in my gun cabinet,
As my 500 and 458... Mostly 308 and 9,3x62 that i take with me on Hunt.

But a very spesial and Nice gun, if i was the seller, i would contact Holts and have
It sold on auction in London.

Andreas or Morten,

If you have the contact information for the gun store that is selling the rifle, please PM me with that information. Thanks.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Andreas or Morten,

If you have the contact information for the gun store that is selling the rifle, please PM me with that information. Thanks.

Mike,

I send you an email as we have emailed before.

Morten

You might check the weight. I've handled a few Austrian doubles that were light for caliber.

Planned on buying it but after meeting the seller and handling it, I redecided. The stock has been modified, the foreend has been cut down amatourishly (thinned and schnabel removed), seller did not know if it was .488 or .483, I asked him to slug the bores to find out, he then told me he thought it would be too much trouble selling it to me. Guess I asked too many questions and the gun is suited for anon shooting collector's (of the unoriginal) shelf. Except for the stock and the HORN trigger guard, the gun looks ok. It is a triple kocking kernel system by the way, looks a little over engineered... I suspect something fishy and would reccomend to stay clear...

Norsk, thanks for the update....hard to determine condition from a couple thousand miles away :-)

I like light for caliber!

Where is this rifle, Oslo? I will be in Norway in a couple of weeks I'd like to take a look at it if I'm close.

1hour drive from Oslo
Take a cab hehehehe. I live on the west Coast, so i am 7hours away.

I will be near Kristensund on the west coast. I see hehehe is still a long ways from where I will be.

Sam

The rifle is located approx 100 km west of Oslo. It is a 60 km drive from where I live and will take me about 45-50 minutes to drive there.

Sam - maybe you could bring a Heym for sale with a good discount ? I bet Chris is tempting you guys with new wonderful Heyms all the time and there is some you need to get rid of ??

Morten

Morten,

I could bring my VC 577 at a good price but you guys can't own anything bigger than a 470 I think.

Sam

wrong!! i have 500NE

depends where you live in the country. from police district. i know there is a guy that have a 600NE in my area.

I stand corrected!

Sam, you are correct in a way and Andreas is correct in a way. Today I do not think anyone in Norway will be allowed to buy anything bigger than 500. At the same time many police Districts, especially around Oslo where I live, deny hunters to buy even the 500. I was denied to have a License for a 500. In the western parts of Norway they are allowed by police. The reason is that some police districts make their own understanding of the regulations as there is no law saying something about the 500 caliber except one statement about a 500 military sniper rifle. This statement seem to be the problem. Further, the police district I am connected to just have non hunting women as officials... they simply will not understand anything about stopping power, sectional density etc etc.. Beats me !

I have sent you an PM Sam.

Morten

The reason I had asked about if it was a boxlock with side plates (even though it has pins), a few years back a rifle with just this same description was discussed on another forum, Nitro Express:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com...=159977&an=0&page=14.

Anyway, it was described as a boxlock with side plates back then.

It is the very same rifle !

Paul, you are one astute SOB :-)